Content Post Dear Bill - Thanks for Giving Away the Super Bowl.

[DropKickFlutie]

I absolutely love the argument ajohnson is breathlessly defending.

A) Butler let down the team so badly he didn’t play a snap.

B) Butler was dressed and he would have played if an injury occured

C) He would have played because an injury is an emergency but he didn’t play when a different kind of emergency came up, namely having one of the worst Super Bowl defenses in history, with overmatched players that were getting burned over and over.

D) Belichick would have played Butler only if he was forced to...except he didn’t play him when he was forced to.

Then you have the argument from authority constantly repeated by robertweathers, i.e, Belichick did something ergo Belichick is 100% right because he’s Belichick, and his false dichotomy that either you support Belichick’s irrational decision or you want a lackadaisical culture with Mike Tomlin...

On top of that you have Ivan using the Chiefs Game as an example that Butler wouldn’t have helped, when we had the best scoring defense in the league with Butler as the number one corner last year, the number one scoring defense this year from week 5 to week 17 including Butler being the number one corner when Gilmore was out and allowing 17 points per game in the playoffs prior to allowing 41 to the Eagles with Butler playing 100% of snaps.

The level of dogmatic nonsense people will go through instead of admitting hey Belichick has made controversial decisions before, he cut Milloy a few days before the Bills game, shook the locker room and we lost 31-0 as a consequence, he traded Collins after a win in the middle of the season, he shook the locker room and our defense got destroyed by Seattle at home the next game. The difference is there were still a ton of games to stabilize the team from those decisions and there’s no such thing here.

But hey how about that drug addict, drunker, coach punching, wife beating, nazi, ISIS affiliate, 9/11 bomber fellow Malcolm Butler!

Best post. Spot on. Bravo

 

[Todd Bradley]

He wasn’t against kc.

LOL you literally have no amunition left it’s hilarious.

Using a week one game against KC where the whole team was crap against the Super Bowl, where Butler never saw a single snap.

Give it up. You have no credibility left.

 

[Ring 6]

I absolutely love the argument ajohnson is breathlessly defending.

A) Butler let down the team so badly he didn’t play a snap.

B) Butler was dressed and he would have played if an injury occured

C) He would have played because an injury is an emergency but he didn’t play when a different kind of emergency came up, namely having one of the worst Super Bowl defenses in history, with overmatched players that were getting burned over and over.

D) Belichick would have played Butler only if he was forced to...except he didn’t play him when he was forced to.

Then you have the argument from authority constantly repeated by robertweathers, i.e, Belichick did something ergo Belichick is 100% right because he’s Belichick, and his false dichotomy that either you support Belichick’s irrational decision or you want a lackadaisical culture with Mike Tomlin...

On top of that you have Ivan using the Chiefs Game as an example that Butler wouldn’t have helped, when we had the best scoring defense in the league with Butler as the number one corner last year, the number one scoring defense this year from week 5 to week 17 including Butler being the number one corner when Gilmore was out and allowing 17 points per game in the playoffs prior to allowing 41 to the Eagles with Butler playing 100% of snaps.

The level of dogmatic nonsense people will go through instead of admitting hey Belichick has made controversial decisions before, he cut Milloy a few days before the Bills game, shook the locker room and we lost 31-0 as a consequence, he traded Collins after a win in the middle of the season, he shook the locker room and our defense got destroyed by Seattle at home the next game. The difference is there were still a ton of games to stabilize the team from those decisions and there’s no such thing here.

But hey how about that drug addict, drunker, coach punching, wife beating, nazi, ISIS affiliate, 9/11 bomber fellow Malcolm Butler!

The facts are the facts.
Belichick didn’t play butler.
Belichick left butler active. Since he didn’t play him this could only have been to have someone who plays the position in the event of a series of injuries.

The why is unknown but given 18 years in NE and over 40 in the nfl as a track record I’m going to go with belichick didn’t just think that a guy who started for 3 years suddenly can’t play.

By all mean rather than continuing to cry, please give your explanation of why butler didn’t play.

 

[mosslost]

Maybe Bill would have played Butler if he had gotten a DUI and passed out at an intersection.

https://nypost.com/2016/12/15/it-took-patriots-one-day-to-sign-cardinals-dui-receiver/

This... wow good post

 

[QuantumMechanic]

I believe that BB is much more of a disciplinarian than we are all giving him credit for. He sent Randy home for being late in a snow storm, if you remember correctly. Whatever Malcolm did, it was such a violation that BB had no choice. If he wavered, the foundation of everything he's built is rendered useless.

And benched Welker for a series in a playoff game for a couple of foot jokes. And benched Seymour for a quarter for coming back late from a relative's funeral. And banished Butler for a big chunk of OTAs for missing something or being late (I can't remember exactly what it was).

At least in NE, BB has always been an extreme and consistent hardass about this stuff. If it is true that Butler had an altercation with a coach Saturday night, the SB benching doesn't surprise me at all and I don't blame BB for doing it, given his disciplinary approach.

 

[mosslost]

Its my hawt take vs the, "BB is an idiot and should just play players who don't give a ****" hawt take.

Phase One could last a while... as you already are well aware ...

 

[RobertWeathers]

I think there is a middle ground here. I know you wont agree. Just my opinion. there is no need to make butler active if he is going to play one snap on special teams and one more snap than hoyer. Couldve just sent him home early in the week and have the rest of the players deal with it all week and make peace with it sunday. You can honestly say what BB did made sense even if there was tremendous issues with butler .Couldve just made him inactive and played branch, dont you think ?

I'm not going to strongly disagree with you on that. Your post is reasonable. I think the situation evolved during the week and by the time hell broke loose it was too late.

I suspect BB was "OK" with Malcolm on Monday. Maybe he was still "OK" with him on Tuesday, Wed and maybe even Thurs but when Friday night/Saturday rolled around it reached a breaking point.

In terms of why he even dressed? I don't have an answer. I get the argument, "He played him on ST, why couldn't he play him for a few snaps on D when the **** was hitting the fan?" . My only response to that is they were OK with him on a particular ST package (when a player was hurt) but had zero confidence in his ability to do his job in the regular defense.

 

[PatsDeb]

I absolutely love the argument ajohnson is breathlessly defending.

A) Butler let down the team so badly he didn’t play a snap.

B) Butler was dressed and he would have played if an injury occured

C) He would have played because an injury is an emergency but he didn’t play when a different kind of emergency came up, namely having one of the worst Super Bowl defenses in history, with overmatched players that were getting burned over and over.

D) Belichick would have played Butler only if he was forced to...except he didn’t play him when he was forced to.

Then you have the argument from authority constantly repeated by robertweathers, i.e, Belichick did something ergo Belichick is 100% right because he’s Belichick, and his false dichotomy that either you support Belichick’s irrational decision or you want a lackadaisical culture with Mike Tomlin...

On top of that you have Ivan using the Chiefs Game as an example that Butler wouldn’t have helped, when we had the best scoring defense in the league with Butler as the number one corner last year, the number one scoring defense this year from week 5 to week 17 including Butler being the number one corner when Gilmore was out and allowing 17 points per game in the playoffs prior to allowing 41 to the Eagles with Butler playing 100% of snaps.

The level of dogmatic nonsense people will go through instead of admitting hey Belichick has made controversial decisions before, he cut Milloy a few days before the Bills game, shook the locker room and we lost 31-0 as a consequence, he traded Collins after a win in the middle of the season, he shook the locker room and our defense got destroyed by Seattle at home the next game. The difference is there were still a ton of games to stabilize the team from those decisions and there’s no such thing here.

But hey how about that drug addict, drunker, coach punching, wife beating, nazi, ISIS affiliate, 9/11 bomber fellow Malcolm Butler!

Thank you.

 

[Todd Bradley]

Why is the KC game being brought up as a comparison re: Butler's presence?

Regards,
Chris

Because the Belichick apologists like AndyJohnson have literally nothing else to cling to in order to defend his asinine decision to sit Butler.

To them: “Butler being bad against KC in week one = Butler would definitely be bad against Philly in the Super Bowl, thus Bill is vindicated in his decision”

Absoutley pathetic.

 

[mosslost]

And benched Welker for a series in a playoff game for a couple of foot jokes. And benched Seymour for a quarter for coming back late from a relative's funeral. And banished Butler for a big chunk of OTAs for missing something or being late (I can't remember exactly what it was).

At least in NE, BB has always been an extreme and consistent hardass about this stuff. If it is true that Butler had an altercation with a coach Saturday night, the SB benching doesn't surprise me at all and I don't blame BB for doing it, given his disciplinary approach.

I wonder what he would have done to him if he had reliesed a self absorbed FB special...

 

[Ring 6]

LOL you literally have no amunition left it’s hilarious.

Using a week one game against KC where the whole team was crap against the Super Bowl, where Butler never saw a single snap.

Give it up. You have no credibility left.

There is no need for ammunition because you aren’t msking an argument. You are crying.

You are trying to frame it as play butler and win and I’m pointing out in the closest example to this game that didn’t happen.

I’m sorry that you don’t like that there is evidence so you can’t consjdsr your made up theory fact.

Saying we win if butler played is not a fact, and that is the, and the only significance of the kc example. But of course you will try to make it out as something else because you have nothing.

 

[Big Bucks]

Floyd was on a professional sports team, got drunk, drove, then passed out at an intersection. Belichick welcomed him aboard 1 day later. Do you genuinely think that signing didn't involve selectively applying standards or rules when assessing whether to sign a player? Obviously it's not a 1:1 comparison. The point is that rules or standards were bent to fit with the needs of the team (depleted at WR).

Floyd has an illness, his actions should not have any bearing on whether he was hired or not by the Patriots. Do you stop employing people because they have an illness? Or do you go out your way to employ and help. See what Larry Fitzgerald said when we signed Floyd.

 

[Tuck]

Like anyone bewildered that the actually received consequences for their actions and thinking they are above it.

There you go. Bewildered is a better word to describe his reaction.

My point is the same though, his answer to Reiss at the bus was not consistent with there being a single incident that resulted in his benching. Unless of course he was acting but I dont think the kid is a very good actor.

 

[mosslost]

Because the Belichick apologists like AndyJohnson have literally nothing else to cling to in order to defend his asinine decision to sit Butler.

To them: “Butler being bad against KC in week one = Butler would definitely be bad against Philly in the Super Bowl, thus Bill is vindicated in his decision”

Absoutley pathetic.

I thought @AndyJohnson just has everyone on ignore?

 

[Ring 6]

Like I said multiple time if it was REALLY BAD don't out him on the game day roster. Your pathetic attempt to rationalize BB dumb decision by bring up something serious like a rape shows that you have NO FB based reason for Butler to be on the game day roister and not play.

Just because you say that doesn’t make it true.

The reason he was in the game day roster was that we only had 3 other corners. I’ve said that numerous times.

 

[mosslost]

Floyd has an illness, his actions should not have any bearing on whether he was hired or not by the Patriots. Do you stop employing people because they have an illness? Or do you go out your way to employ and help. See what Larry Fitzgerald said when we signed Floyd.

Omg rediculus ... he was drunk driving

 

[QuantumMechanic]

BB himself said the benching was a football decision and was not disciplinary.

There's all the wiggle room in the world in that statement.

Say Butler was missing meetings, or half-assing it in practice, or showing up intoxicated at bed check. Benching for that can legitimately be considered "a football decision" if BB wants to spin it that way. (Or as a disciplinary decision if he wanted to spin it that way instead).

 

[Todd Bradley]

There is no need for ammunition because you aren’t msking an argument. You are crying.

You are trying to frame it as play butler and win and I’m pointing out in the closest example to this game that didn’t happen.

I’m sorry that you don’t like that there is evidence so you can’t consjdsr your made up theory fact.

Saying we win if butler played is not a fact, and that is the, and the only significance of the kc example. But of course you will try to make it out as something else because you have nothing.

We most certainly win if we have Butler, especially in the second half. Butler makes the third down tackle that Bademosi whiffs on. That’s the one stop Brady needed to win the game.

 

[mosslost]

Floyd has an illness, his actions should not have any bearing on whether he was hired or not by the Patriots. Do you stop employing people because they have an illness? Or do you go out your way to employ and help. See what Larry Fitzgerald said when we signed Floyd.

Most people get their azz fired or jailed fir that crap. Cardinals were right.

 

[Ring 6]

There you go. Bewildered is a better word to describe his reaction.

My point is the same though, his answer to Reiss at the bus was not consistent with there being a single incident that resulted in his benching. Unless of course he was acting but I dont think the kid is a very good actor.

I don’t read minds. His reaction could mean dozens of things.

Have you never seen someone disciplined for doing something wrong act indignant and pretend to be confused why they were disciplined?