Content Post Dear Bill - Thanks for Giving Away the Super Bowl.

[RobertWeathers]

that's what he says....I don't buy it....not with Agholor abusing safeties

You don't buy the fact that BB didn't think Malcolm could help the team on Sunday? I'm ok with that argument but thats an argument between you and BB.

The narrative I'm challenging is BB should have caved in and have played Malcolm.

 

[mosslost]

In Tom we Trust.... even if it means weird snake oil, Superman water, and strange odd foods...

 

[Tuck]

And, according to Malcolm Butler, “ they lost faith in me.”

“ they,” not “ he,” lost faith in Malcolm Butler.

So the coaches who gave Malcolm Butler the chances to begin with, and who had placed their “faith” in Malcolm Butler, lost their trust and faith in him.

Whose fault is that?

Malcolm Butler, through his attitudes and behaviors managed to blow all the trust and faith the Patriots coaches and organization had put in him and now people want to blame Belichick for that?

That’s f.cked up.

If people put great trust and faith in you and you blow it then that’s on you, not them. The blame is on Butler, not Belichick. Getting to play in a Super Bowl is earned, it’s not entitled.

If people want to blame anyone then blame Malcolm Butler.

I don't feel like there is enough information out there to lay blame at anyone's feet. If you've seen enough to make up your mind, that's good for you. I'm just saying the kid seemed genuinely surprised and at a loss to answer Reiss when he asked why he was benched.

 

[mosslost]

Oh boy. You’re going to ballwash Belichick no matter what is said, so there’s no point in even debating with you.

@robertweathers knows to keep this hawt take fire breathing thread alive as long as possible you got to stir the cauldron.,, this is all part of the healing process,,

It must escalate further.., we are still in phase one...

 

[SVN]

Sure lets let Malcolm completely off the hook. Let's not make him accountable for his actions when the other 51 players and the entire organization are doing eveything they can to win the Super Bowl.

If you want a team in which the coach is selective and arbitrary pertaining which rules to follow and behavior is appropriate go root for the Steelers, Bengals or Ravens.

I think there is a middle ground here. I know you wont agree. Just my opinion. there is no need to make butler active if he is going to play one snap on special teams and one more snap than hoyer. Couldve just sent him home early in the week and have the rest of the players deal with it all week and make peace with it sunday. You can honestly say what BB did made sense even if there was tremendous issues with butler .Couldve just made him inactive and played branch, dont you think ?

 

[chasa]

I understand you are upset.

You are in your right to believe Malcolm was able to do his job and help the team.

It doesn't change the fact that Bill did not trust or have confidence in Malcolm doing his job on any level.

I wasn't in that locker room or know why Malcolm was benched.

What I do know is BB will not play players he does not think can help the team win on that particular day.

Well its a shrodingers cat scenerio i guess.

On one hand we have butler. He can either help hes team, or not but bill wont know until he tries.

Then we have Rowe, Clearly a hot piece of garbage that couldn't cover any of the Philly receivers. BB is supposed to be a genius coach, and yet even i could see that ROWE was in over his head. 1 series, if we had seen one series where butler played, people wouldn't be freaking out.

Maybe even 1 play. put him in for one play and if he gets beat then pull him again(rowe was a turnstile so this wouldn't have mattered"

butler got ZERO snaps on defense.

zero.

0.0000000000 snaps.

Rower played 94.7% of the snaps.

You telling me butler couldn't get one snap of the 5.3% that rowe sat out?

"Bill didn't have faith that he could do his job"

alright, well Bill had clear evidence that ROWE couldn't do his. and yet butler got ZERO snaps.

Normally im a IBWT kind of guy. But you dress butler, and then don't give him a single defensive snap.

That's straight up hubris.

 

[Tuck]

Belichick had a 8 Hour brain fart and got dumb.. that’s all.

Brady almost bailed his azz out.... again...

I don't think its that simple. A brain fart is an oversight, an inadvertent omission. Belichick didnt leave him out of the game plan by mistake it's something he put some thought into and decided it was the best thing for the team. Everyone is trying to figure out how that could be and i don't have the answer but it wasn't a brain fart.

 

[Ring 6]

the entire defense had to change assignments because of butler being out

That’s not true. Rowe took butlers place.
The gane plan did not include a nickel package with 3 corners.

Well, Bill said it wasn't discipline. he answered a straight up "NO" on that question, Bill isn't a guy who lies, and if had been he would have side stepped the question.

The fact of the matter is Rowe played like Hot garbage, not cold garbage, not luke warm garbage. HOT STINKY GARBAGE.

Butler played ZERO snaps ZERO ****ING ZERO snaps. You're telling me the guy who played in 98% of the defensive snaps during the season couldn't play better in the second half then the guy who gave up 95% of the targets thrown at him in the game?

really?

REALLY?

Take the blinders off dude. I'd take a one armed butler wearing a blindfold over Rowe in the second half of the superbowl.
ZERO SNAPS on defense.

****ING ZERO?!

ARE YOU KIDDING ME.

zero snaps to the guy with the highest snap count on defense during the season.

This isn't like cutting tiquan underwood before the game. tiquan was a 4th string wide receiver. Butler was CB 1 for the two years prior to this one, and was CB 2 this year.

With Butler playing defense the patriots gave up 14 ppg during the season.

With Butler not playing defense the patriots gave up 41 ****ing points in the superbowl.

ZERO SNAPS

How did the defense do against kc with butler playing?

So what is your explanation of what happened?

 

[TBR]

Sure lets let Malcolm completely off the hook. Let's not make him accountable for his actions when the other 51 players and the entire organization are doing eveything they can to win the Super Bowl.

If you want a team in which the coach is selective and arbitrary pertaining which rules to follow and behavior is appropriate go root for the Steelers, Bengals or Ravens.

Maybe Bill would have played Butler if he had gotten a DUI and passed out at an intersection.

https://nypost.com/2016/12/15/it-took-patriots-one-day-to-sign-cardinals-dui-receiver/

 

[Simpelton]

I think there is a middle ground here. I know you wont agree. Just my opinion. there is no need to make butler active if he is going to play one snap on special teams and one more snap than hoyer. Couldve just sent him home early in the week and have the rest of the players deal with it all week and make peace with it sunday. You can honestly say what BB did made sense even if there was tremendous issues with butler .Couldve just made him inactive and played branch, dont you think ?

It really depends on when the decision was made and what drove it. Things we don't know right now. There may not have been time.

 

[TB_Helmet]

false dilemma. We have every chance to win the Superbowl without Butler if we get one more bounce. We have every chance of losing that game against a very good Eagles team if Butler plays every snap.

I see you didn't answer the question, which I only put up because you said adherence "The Patriot Way" is more important than winning the Super Bowl, which I will only refrain from criticizing because it would violate the recently updated terms of this forum.

 

[SVN]

If this is true then I wouldn't say I'm 100% with BB, but it's funny how no one is holding Malcolm Butler accountable. If true, he let his team down in the biggest moment.

You know barrett robbins let his team down vs the bucs. But he wasnt on the field either. If butler did something so serious just send him home. Why dress him up and make your defensive players and coaches deal with it when they are wondering why he is dressed up and not playing ? Be harsh, cut him .Send him home. Do something else, dont dress him up for 1 snap and say packages. And I am quite sure you agree the situation wasnt about packages right ? Is this some sort of mind pressure BB was applying ? For who ?

 

[Ring 6]

NAH just put in a S like they did. IF it was that serious you leave him OFF the gameday roster.

Why the D is being shredded you puit him to TRY to change the situation.

YOU DO NOT LET THE SEASON THE SB GO DOWN IN FLAMES.

IF THE SIN WAS SO AGGREVIOUS LEAVE HIM OFF THE ROSTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I’m sorry but your black and white play him or make him inactive is naive.
If Jon Jones weren’t injured I’m sure butler would have been inactive.

 

[Simpelton]

I see you didn't answer the question, which I only put up because you said adherence "The Patriot Way" is more important than winning the Super Bowl, which I will only refrain from criticizing because it would violate the recently updated terms of this forum.

I did not answer your bad question yes. Ask a better question and it will get a better answer.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Oh boy. You’re going to ballwash Belichick no matter what is said, so there’s no point in even debating with you.

Not accurate.

I keep trying to bring you back to my original post that you challenged. I'm not going to debate, "If Malcolm had played X would have happened."

I'm challenging the narrative, "BB should have caved in, his philosophy be damned and played Malcolm regardless what he did."

 

[mosslost]

I don't think its that simple. A brain fart is an oversight, an inadvertent omission. Belichick didnt leave him out of the game plan by mistake it's something he put some thought into and decided it was the best thing for the team. Everyone is trying to figure out how that could be and i don't have the answer but it wasn't a brain fart.

Brain diareah?

 

[DropKickFlutie]

1. I now see why anyone with a hint the Pats would go with a moronic 4 safety defense, or think of benching Butler, would immediately start placing multiple million dollar gambling bets (this HAPPENED) on the Eagles

2. Nick Foles was 6 for 7 on 3rd down throwing against Richards, Bademosi, Rowe. Any one of those misses would have been a punt instead of constantly giving up drives for points

 

[mosslost]

I did not answer your bad question yes. Ask a better question and it will get a better answer.

Says “Simpleton”... just kidding.. I agree with you I think

 

[Ring 6]

True but I'm not sure entitled is a word Id use to describe his reaction to Reiss' question. He seemed genuinely confused and unaware of the reason for his benching. Just an observation.

Like anyone bewildered that the actually received consequences for their actions and thinking they are above it.

 

[TB12GOATQB]

I feel much like the OP. We don't know fully what Malcolm did (rumors are strong) but of course we'll never get the full story from BB or the players.....but I would say bench him for some of the game, maybe even the whole half. When our D was clearly getting destroyed and needed a shakeup he did nothing. Pathetic.

Also I'd add the season a few years ago where he pissed away the last several games and forced us to go to Denver for the AFCCG where we got smoked cost us another shot. He outsmarts himself and his giant ego gets in the way at times. Tough because he is still the goat, but man he needs to come down from the pedestal at times and rethink his braindead stands.