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Danny Amendola - Cap Scenarios - Updated on March 5th

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1. Amendola, Dobson and Thompkins did not all play "less than 12 games"



2. Brandon LaFell is a 27 year old receiver coming off a 49 catch year who continues to get better every year. He's not signing as insurance to play behind someone. He's going to get a starting gig somewhere.


I meant 12 games or less.

As far as LaFell goes you could be right but I would still take a look at him as the #3 WR. It is a deep WR draft and UFA market.
 
Well Edelman played most of last season on the outside so I don't see how it would be a slot WR controversy next year. For all the talk of how Edelman is "Wes Welker 2.0," he didn't line up in the slot all that much last year.



And FWIW, Amendola has plenty of experience lining up outside too so....not sure what the issue is here. Just because they aesthetically resemble Welker in some ways doesn't make them solely (or primarily) slot guys.


They can line up in the back field or an inch from the sideline it does not matter to me. I am looking at routes, not how the Patriots disguise them. Edelman had 20 receptions on balls that carried 11+ yards in the air, and Amendola had 10. They are slot receivers, running underneath routes, that is indisputable.
 
Amendola is only VALUE if he plays well and remains healthy. He wasn't VALUE last year, and he won't be VALUE this year if he repeats last year.

It's value once you accept that the contract was signed and look past the sunk costs, which you simply have to do if you want to credibly evaluate the Patriots' options moving forward. Will Amendola be worth what he's being paid? Probably not. Will he be worth the prospective costs associated with keeping him (which is what 50-yard-line highlighted)? Almost definitely.
 
It's value once you accept that the contract was signed and look past the sunk costs, which you simply have to do if you want to credibly evaluate the Patriots' options moving forward. Will Amendola be worth what he's being paid? Probably not. Will he be worth the prospective costs associated with keeping him (which is what 50-yard-line highlighted)? Almost definitely.

There's no value to Amendola if he's on the shelf or sucking.

Also, looking past the sunk costs is not something you "have to do to credibly evaluate the Patriots options moving forward". It's something you have do if you're trying to make the deal look better than it was, which is a whole different kettle of fish.

I'm on record as saying that keeping Amendola around makes sense, unless there's something going on behind the scenes. I'm not going to start blowing smoke up people's asses about his contract, though. His dead money cost is part of his cost, and pretending otherwise just makes his defenders look shady.
 
There's no value to Amendola if he's on the shelf or sucking.

Also, looking past the sunk costs is not something you "have to do to credibly evaluate the Patriots options moving forward". It's something you have do if you're trying to make the deal look better than it was, which is a whole different kettle of fish.

Looking past the sunk costs is something that you have to do to credibly evaluate anyone's options regarding anything moving forward. This isn't really a topic for debate: if you disagree then you simply don't understand what's being discussed.
 
Looking past the sunk costs is something that you have to do to credibly evaluate anyone's options regarding anything moving forward. This isn't really a topic for debate: if you disagree then you simply don't understand what's being discussed.

One can choose to ignore the sunk cost, if one chooses. Doing so makes one's position less accurate, however, even when discussing value moving forward, because it hides a part of the truth. What you're essentially trying to do is change the argument from "Is he worth YET ANOTHER $X above his current cap number?" to "Ignoring his current hit, is he worth $X". Both ways of looking at it have claims to legitimacy, as, frankly, does the basic "He's going to cost Y (X+ current hit), even in a case where you're specifically discussing options moving forward, and claiming that your way is the only way is just downright nonsense. Furthermore, my post you responded to didn't even delve specifically into the numbers or sunk v. new costs. If you're looking for a fight, go find someone else.

This Amendola stuff is boring to me. He'll stay or he'll go. He'll stay healthy or he won't. At this point, I don't give a damn. My posts in this thread, prior to responding to you, did nothing more than point out the obvious:

Amendola only has value if he can play, and play well
Signing bonuses accelerate if a player gets cut
Wifork's had many great seasons, while Amendola's never had one.

I have no interest in the rest.
 
How is Amendola "almost definitely" worth between $8M and $9M of prospective costs over the next 2 years.

2014
$3M Salary
$.375M Workout bonus
$500K prorated depending on how many games he plays.

2015
same as 2014 plus an additional $1M of salary

2016
same as 2015 plus an additional $1M of salary

2017
same as 2016 plus an additional $1M of salary

Will he be worth the prospective costs associated with keeping him (which is what 50-yard-line highlighted)? Almost definitely.
 
How is Amendola "almost definitely" worth between $8M and $9M of prospective costs over the next 2 years.

2014
$3M Salary
$.375M Workout bonus
$500K prorated depending on how many games he plays.

2015
same as 2014 plus an additional $1M of salary

2016
same as 2015 plus an additional $1M of salary

2017
same as 2016 plus an additional $1M of salary


That simply depends upon his production. if he turns into the player most expected him to be and stays on the field then we could see the 90+ REC 1,000+ Yards seasons out of him, and if that does occur he's a steal at those prices. Another year like this one and he will either take a huge pay cut to stay or he will be released.
 
Interesting day on Twitter about Danny Amendola.

Tweeted Albert Breer:
Ben Volin reported today that the guarantee does not kick in until 12:00AM Wednesday. Which one of you is correct?

After someone replied to my tweet
so neither answer you? I guess neither knows the facts.

Breer replied:
"Written 'Day 1 of the league year'. That's 4 p.m. Tuesday. Creates a logistical issue other teams have had.

Eventually ProFootballTalk got into the picture with
Amendola would have to be cut by Tuesday at 4:00 p.m. ET to avoid guarantee | ProFootballTalk
 
Interesting day on Twitter about Danny Amendola.

Tweeted Albert Breer:
Ben Volin reported today that the guarantee does not kick in until 12:00AM Wednesday. Which one of you is correct?

After someone replied to my tweet
so neither answer you? I guess neither knows the facts.

Breer replied:
"Written 'Day 1 of the league year'. That's 4 p.m. Tuesday. Creates a logistical issue other teams have had.

Eventually ProFootballTalk got into the picture with
Amendola would have to be cut by Tuesday at 4:00 p.m. ET to avoid guarantee | ProFootballTalk

Understanding that it's a fairly complicated issue as many cap scenarios are, and that it's hard to necessarily "fault" anyone, I must admit that I'm not overly impressed with Ben Volin's reporting since he's come here.

Not meaning to come off too negative, but he seems a bit off on too many things in such a short amount of time. Just a random thought that doesn't have anything to do with you.

The Amendola situation will work itself out one way or another in the next couple of days, and we'll just have to trust that Belichick has a plan in place no matter what happens.
 
To me, it matters little whether the decision needs to be made before the end of the work day or by midnight.

In any case, the patriots will make the decision before 4PM and submit it to the league office, or they will make their decision and do nothing and have Amendola on the roster.

The decision will be made in the next 28 hours.

Interesting day on Twitter about Danny Amendola.

Tweeted Albert Breer:
Ben Volin reported today that the guarantee does not kick in until 12:00AM Wednesday. Which one of you is correct?

After someone replied to my tweet
so neither answer you? I guess neither knows the facts.

Breer replied:
"Written 'Day 1 of the league year'. That's 4 p.m. Tuesday. Creates a logistical issue other teams have had.

Eventually ProFootballTalk got into the picture with
Amendola would have to be cut by Tuesday at 4:00 p.m. ET to avoid guarantee | ProFootballTalk
 
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