Damien Woody's take on Maye timetable - its correct.

[XLIX]

All time great QBs can over come it but those are unicorns. The rest, not so much.

All other position players are allowed and expected to fail as they learn. Most players are started slowly with limited snaps to grow. QB is the only position where an entire franchise's hopes is placed on. Enormous pressure from snap 1 that just keeps on getting worse the longer they take to learn. That is added pressure and difficulty to an already extremely tough job. Therefore it makes no sense to play them when they are clearly not ready.

If you sit him because he’s not ready right now then how is he ever going to become ready?

There is no way to simulate the full speed of game action. You don’t improve your QB skills at the NFL level by holding a clipboard for 3 hours on a beautiful Sunday autumn afternoon or by taking 30% of reps in practice.

And if the guy isn’t NFL ready then they shouldn’t have used the #3 overall on him. You don’t spend the #3 overall on a project, you spend it on a star.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Yeah, I don't think the OL was ever the main issue, just a secondary one. If Maye was ready day 1, I think they probably would have started him, no matter who was in the line. But Wolf said from about the draft that they thought it's better for a rookie QB to sit for a while for the rookie's development and that was the team's preference. They signed Brissett to be a fill-in until Maye was ready to take over, but that's not necessarily at the point where Maye is better than Brissett. Nobody from the team ever said the line isn't good enough t protect Maye. I don't think the team necessarily thinks that way.

The oline thing is more fan and media driven, saying this line sucks and let Brissett take the hits. The fact that he is taking a lot of hits sort of backs up that fan theory, though.

To me, both lines of argument have merit. Is he developmentally ready? Will the state of the OL have a negative impact (injury, regression) that eclipses the merits of having him start?

I suspect the team isn't talking about the OL not only because it's obvious and goes without saying, but an overt discussion calls into question their whole offseason strategy and gives grist for the mill of pundits and reporters.

Beyond taking Maye, they haven't done much beyond signing a kicker who can actually make field goals. They extended Stevenson, which I can understand. Then they overpaid to keep a bunch of players on defense for a rebuild whose timeline looks more protracted with every game. I suppose the jury is still out on Wolf, but it feels like amateur hour to me. Since I am an amateur, I could be dead wrong.

 

[Clonamery]

Not sure how that's relevant. If anything it helps my point? Jimmy didn't really play his first 2 years (31 total pass attempts in 2014 and 2015 combined), then immediately got hurt when he finally saw starting action in his 3rd year.

Regardless, Jimmy and Drake are not the same person, so can't really apply the same logic.

I'm now of the position to play Maye simply to stop the whining.

 

[mike_usagisan]

To me, both lines of argument have merit. Is he developmentally ready? Will the state of the OL have a negative impact (injury, regression) that eclipses the merits of having him start?

I suspect the team isn't talking about the OL not only because it's obvious and goes without saying, but an overt discussion calls into question their whole offseason strategy and gives grist for the mill of pundits and reporters.

Beyond taking Maye, they haven't done much beyond signing a kicker who can actually make field goals. They extended Stevenson, which I can understand. Then they overpaid to keep a bunch of players on defense for a rebuild whose timeline looks more protracted with every game. I suppose the jury is still out on Wolf, but it feels like amateur hour to me. Since I am an amateur, I could be dead wrong.

Well, let's pretend for a minute that the plan was always to let Maye see some action in garbage time and not something random that they did because of how the game was going or how Brissett was playing. Why would they do that if they were really concerned about putting him behind this line? Wouldn't they wait until they were at least back to their starters? It only makes sense if they plan to play him behind whatever line is out there when they think he's ready, but they don't think he's ready yet.

 

[mike_usagisan]

The Rookie HC said he outplayed the Vet not my words his.

What if it's not about outplaying the vet? What if it's about when they think he's ready and the vet is just a placeholder whose competence doesn't matter as much?

 

[PatsFan2]

To me, both lines of argument have merit. Is he developmentally ready? Will the state of the OL have a negative impact (injury, regression) that eclipses the merits of having him start?

I suspect the team isn't talking about the OL not only because it's obvious and goes without saying, but an overt discussion calls into question their whole offseason strategy and gives grist for the mill of pundits and reporters.

Beyond taking Maye, they haven't done much beyond signing a kicker who can actually make field goals. They extended Stevenson, which I can understand. Then they overpaid to keep a bunch of players on defense for a rebuild whose timeline looks more protracted with every game. I suppose the jury is still out on Wolf, but it feels like amateur hour to me. Since I am an amateur, I could be dead wrong.

Joe Burrow played as a Rookie and was running for his life behind that OL he had to learn to improvise they made it to a SB by the way. No Team have a Blockage for a Offensive Line.

 

[Ross12]

I'm now of the position to play Maye simply to stop the whining.

I just don't understand what you brought Jimmy up for, or the point you're trying to make is? Jimmy Garoppolo sat for 2 years and then quickly got hurt in year 3 when he had to start, despite playing behind a very good Super Bowl-winning New England OL. This didn't hurt his development and he went on to be very successful for the 49ers the following season, but also went on to continue to get hurt there repeatedly, despite that team also regularly having a top tier OL. What does any of that have to do with Drake Maye?

 

[moosekill]

Well, let's pretend for a minute that the plan was always to let Maye see some action in garbage time and not something random that they did because of how the game was going or how Brissett was playing. Why would they do that if they were really concerned about putting him behind this line? Wouldn't they wait until they were at least back to their starters? It only makes sense if they plan to play him behind whatever line is out there when they think he's ready, but they don't think he's ready yet.

I don't agree. I think you are giving way to much credit to the coaching team. I think Mayo has been told you can't start Maye until Miami. I think they want to give him the best chance to succeed, and they think Miami will be that game. I think Mayo says too much and then has to continuously backpedal from what he said when he is told otherwise. I don't think it makes much difference, but at this point, until we aren't playing our backups backups on the oline I think they aren't going to change from Miami.

 

[PatsFan2]

What if it's not about outplaying the vet? What if it's about when they think he's ready and the vet is just a placeholder whose competence doesn't matter as much?

The Fans deserve better than Brissett who will be Benched eventually for ineffective play. Even a Blind man can see that from a mile away. If they continue the roll with Brissett The Krafts will see that below. The Fans pay Big Money see decent talent not mediocrity.

 

[mike_usagisan]

The Fans deserve better than Brissett who will be Benched eventually for ineffective play. Even a Blind man can see that from a mile away. If they continue the roll with Brissett The Krafts will see that below. The Fans pay Big Money see decnet talent not mediocrity.

They'll pay even more and for longer if Maye is developed into a franchise quarterback. Sometimes being in business means looking beyond the next game.

 

[Clonamery]

I just don't understand what you brought Jimmy up for, or the point you're trying to make is? Jimmy Garoppolo sat for 2 years and then quickly got hurt in year 3 when he had to start, despite playing behind a very good Super Bowl-winning New England OL. This didn't hurt his development and he went on to be very successful for the 49ers the following season, but also went on to continue to get hurt there repeatedly, despite that team also regularly having a top tier OL. What does any of that have to do with Drake Maye?

He had a chance to sit, go through multiple training camps, etc. It's what should happen for Maye....develop. His natural gifts are there.

 

[PatsFan2]

What if it's not about outplaying the vet? What if it's about when they think he's ready and the vet is just a placeholder whose competence doesn't matter as much?

One of these weeks that PlaceHolder is not going to get up then my hope will come to fruition.

 

[mike_usagisan]

One of these weeks that PlaceHolder is not going to get up then my hope will come to fruition.

I suspect you're right.

 

[Clonamery]

To me, both lines of argument have merit. Is he developmentally ready? Will the state of the OL have a negative impact (injury, regression) that eclipses the merits of having him start?

I suspect the team isn't talking about the OL not only because it's obvious and goes without saying, but an overt discussion calls into question their whole offseason strategy and gives grist for the mill of pundits and reporters.

Beyond taking Maye, they haven't done much beyond signing a kicker who can actually make field goals. They extended Stevenson, which I can understand. Then they overpaid to keep a bunch of players on defense for a rebuild whose timeline looks more protracted with every game. I suppose the jury is still out on Wolf, but it feels like amateur hour to me. Since I am an amateur, I could be dead wrong.

No and yes. They had to spend and they knew what they had (Godchaux you could make a case for overspending), and certainly. Or yes and no. It doesn't matter, it's Thoughtful Thursday.

 

[yukon cornelius]

it's really not that hard

the NFL game is harder than the college game, period.......NFL QBs have to do things most college QBs are not asked to do; they all have a set of physical tools to play in the NFL, or they wouldn't have been drafted, although those physical skillsets and traits vary........but in the NFL they have to be able to lead grown men, they have to make pre-snap reads against complex defenses, they have to change plays at the line if needed, they have to handle all sorts of coverages and line stunts that are usually more complex and faster than what they saw in the college game, and they have to be on the same page as their WRs (and TEs and RBs) and deliver the ball into tighter, shorter windows.....

few college QBs are ready for this right away.........you see a ton of athletic QBs choose to run to quickly, not letting plays develop, and that ******s their development as a pro QB......you see physically competent QBs thrust out there on a team that had a high draft pick last year, for good reason, develop bad habits because their team isn't good enough to protect them and run the plays the way they need to be run, and then the young QBs can't go through their progressions and reads, and the play falls apart....QBs lock in on their primary, or make ill-timed, rushed throws that lead to INTs, or they get crushed.......next thing you know, they are seeing ghosts (Darnold) or getting happy feet (think all the way back to Tony Eason).......

low and behold, 6 years later, though, Sam Darnold is looking like he has developed into a competent mid-level QB, maybe more.......it takes time, and one could argue if Darnold wasn't rushed, he would have been here before 6 years has gone by...... the success rate of those that are thrown to the wolves is far lower than those that are allowed to develop

is OL a factor? is talent of the skill positions a factor? is the quality of the defense a factor? coaching? OC? sure....all of it is......but the biggest factor is a young QB being comfortable and mentally competent enough to handle the challenges of the NFL game.......it is the transition from the saturday boys game to the sunday mens game........rush that transition and it usually leads to failure

doesn't mean Maye needs the year, doesn't mean he's not ready to go next week, it doesn't mean he's never going to be ready, it doesn't mean he's ever going to be ready........it just is what it is; putting a young QB out there before they are ready usually doesn't work out......learn as you go is not usually a recipe for QB success

 

[PatsFan2]

If you sit him because he’s not ready right now then how is he ever going to become ready?

There is no way to simulate the full speed of game action. You don’t improve your QB skills at the NFL level by holding a clipboard for 3 hours on a beautiful Sunday autumn afternoon or by taking 30% of reps in practice.

And if the guy isn’t NFL ready then they shouldn’t have used the #3 overall on him. You don’t spend the #3 overall on a project, you spend it on a star.

Nailed it or Starter I bet the experts here are saying Chicago - Washington and Denver are Stupid for Playing Caleb and Daniels and Nix I beg to differ. Maybe when both Teams went through the evaluation process: they came to the conclusion that Maye was the Least Ready. Then Maye be we should have traded the pick for a Haul.

 

[Ross12]

He had a chance to sit, go through multiple training camps, etc. It's what should happen for Maye....develop. His natural gifts are there.

OK, but that doesn't really make any sense when replying to my post about how Drake took a lot of hits in college, knows how to take hits, and is fearless. Kind of changing the subject pretty hard.

Regardless, it's not a comparison I feel is valid, here or elsewhere. Jimmy G, Aaron Rodgers, Jordan Love, Patrick Mahomes. "Look at this QB who sat behind a good (3 out of 4 probably HOF level) QB on a playoff team, they turned out good!" Jacoby Brissett is not Tom Brady, Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers or Alex Smith, and the current Patriots are not the '14 Patriots, '05 Packers, '20 Packers, or '17 Chiefs. Sitting behind a bad QB on a bad roster indefinitely doesn't make you a good QB. Those guys watched great QBs be great on great teams.

 

[PatsFan2]

I suspect you're right.

mike you know what I said when it became obvious that Maye was going to our pick. IF HE didn't win the Job in TC I would be very Disappointed. Just comparing him to Brissett he passes the eyeballs test Maye is the Superior Player Right now.

 

[Wozzy]

I guess I just have a hard time grasping the concept that Maye would be "ruined" by taking hits. If he was coming from a cushy college setup like Mac Jones was, where he had an all-star OL and was rarely touched, I might understand. But the dude had a ****-tier OL in college last year and was getting rocked constantly. He knows how to take a hit.

If anything, I'd be more worried that keeping him from taking those hits for too long will make things worse; he'll start to lose his fearlessness. Imagine if your brother punched you in the arm every day and after a while it didn't bug you, but then he stopped for a year. Then he started again. I bet it'd hurt a lot more than you remember.

Tell that to Andrew Luck, whose career ended prematurely because of bulging disks, frayed tendons and a concussed brain.

 

[PatsFan2]

OK, but that doesn't really make any sense when replying to my post about how Drake took a lot of hits in college, knows how to take hits, and is fearless. Kind of changing the subject pretty hard.

Regardless, it's not a comparison I feel is valid, here or elsewhere. Jimmy G, Aaron Rodgers, Jordan Love, Patrick Mahomes. "Look at this QB who sat behind a good (3 out of 4 probably HOF level) QB on a playoff team, they turned out good!" Jacoby Brissett is not Tom Brady, Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers or Alex Smith, and the current Patriots are not the '14 Patriots, '05 Packers, '20 Packers, or '17 Chiefs. Sitting behind a bad QB on a bad roster indefinitely doesn't make you a good QB. Those guys watched great QBs be great on great teams.

Great Post I would love to hear the Rebuttals after your Post spin Doctors alert.