Current status of all BB-era draft picks

[primetime]

New England has 3 starters from that group

maroney isnt really a starter

 

[patsfan-1982]

this is from 10 years of drafting with a bunch of picks, id expect them to get some good players, even the raiders and lions hit occasionally

also lets not act like matt light and dan koppen are all-pros

as for brady they got really lucky but that was a one in a million thing, you cant point to him and say 'well this is a reason theyre great drafters!' remember they almost took tim rattay

yes the pats got lucky with brady but

the loins and raiders are all ways picking in the top 5 or 10 in the draft in the draft all of there picks should be starters in the NFL

the pats picks are high 20s or 32 or 31 and i few drafts with out a first round pick

when the pats did have a top 10 pick they got seymour a all pro DL men and maybe even the HOF one day

and mayo who looks to be one of the best ILB in the nfl

dose that make them the best drafting team in the NFL no but they are are one of the best

being a GM is not just about drafting its about FA to know to let go and who to bring in who fits the team

from 2001 till now this team has missed the playoffs just 2 time 2002 they where 9-7 and last year they where 11-5

we may never see a team go 11-5 and miss the playoffs again

they have never reay had a rebuilding year

even the steelers who we love how they draft LB have had a 6-10 year and a 8-8 year over that time

so can we realy sit here and be mad because they dont hit gold on every draft pick

when this team has a shot at wining the SB every year

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

Had **** Rehbein not been persistent, the Patriots would not have drafted

Brady and there would not be three Superbowl rings.

Pioli himself said that they obviously had no idea how good Brady would be, If they did they wouldn't have waited until the sixth round to draft him. It was like hitting the lottery.

 

[Deus Irae]

maroney isnt really a starter

Yes, he really is. He's the team's #1 running back.

 

[JFK]

I think the Pats draft poorly but I could be very wrong because I don't know how other teams do. Since we can find date for BB drafts, cant we find for the other teams? It would be very interesting to see. Maybe we draft well.

 

[primetime]

Yes, he really is. He's the team's #1 running back.

yes he is the teams #1 running back because it makes your argument work, i like your style

 

[BennyBledsoe]

Pittsburgh's probably soon to have more starters from that group as Parker continues to fall and Mendenhall rises.

Also, they will have more contributors from their three draft classes than the Patriots will from theirs. (Yes, I know, Welker counts as a round 2 but if we're just going on who they drafted and not who they got for a pick...)

Hey, I like BB and I think he's a great coach but the drafts have been largely forgettable in recent years.

 

[farn]

People ripping the NE drafting process/success is insane.

Most teams suck at drafting. NE rarely misses in the 1st round - most teams do over the course of 10 seasons.

The overall grade is very good. Starters emerge and contribute. It's not the Patriots fault that they are also good at luring talent and hitting on free agency. That, in turn, makes it harder for picks to make the 53. Other suckier teams have had starters from the draft that would not have made NE's 53.

Check out the % of undrafted current NFL players... no one's batting 1.000, since it's the largest group of all.

Bottom line : since 2001, NE has had (or has tied for) the best record in the AFCE. People can bash the drafting all they want. Winning is all that matters. The Pats have done just that. Unfortunately, only SBs will stop people from bashing the drafting.

 

[JFK]

Yes, he really is. He's the team's #1 running back.

#1 because he gets the first snap or most snaps at the position?

 

[Deus Irae]

4th round, since 2006:

Pittsburgh:
Willie Colon
Orien Harris
Daniel Sepulveda
Ryan McBean
Tony Hills

New England:
Stephen Gostkowski
Garrett Mills
Kareem Brown
Jonathan Wilhite

New England has a starter in Wilhite, and an All Pro Kicker in Gostkowski. Pittsburgh has a starter in Colon and a punter in Sepulveda.

5th round:

Pittsburgh
Omar Jacobs
Charles Davis
Cameron Stephenson
William Gay
Dennis Dixon

New England
Ryan O'Callaghan
Clint Oldenburg
Matt Slater

2 Steelers (Jacobs, Davis) are out of the league, Gay is a starter and the others are backups on the Steelers or elsewhere

O'Callaghan is a backup in KC and Slater is a backup in New England. Oldenburg is out of the league.

Neither team has drafted a starter from rounds 6 or 7 from 2006 through 2008.

 

[Deus Irae]

yes he is the teams #1 running back because it makes your argument work, i like your style

He's the team's #1 running back because he's the team's #1 running back. If you want to argue that he's only #1a to Taylor's #1b, or even vice versa, you go for it. It really doesn't change the data, which shows that your point about the Steelers drafting vs. the Patriots drafting doesn't really hold water. The count is just 5 starters for Pittsburgh to 4 starters for New England, with Gostowski and Sepulveda also being among those picks.

So,

19 picks in rounds 1-5 for Pittsburgh, 5 starters (26%)
15 picks in rounds 1-5 for New England, 4 starters (27%)

And that's not counting Welker and Moss.

 

[olschool]

Remember the quality of players already on the roster. I think a lot of those picks were just practice players, that had no chance of making it anyway.
I was surprised to see only ten linebackers. It just shows that BB is pretty picky when it comes to linebackers. Picking late in the first, or second round every year, doesn't leave much quality on the board.
It's almost like he takes a shotgun approach, pick a bunch of players and one or two might hit the big time.
If you wanted to spend the time to check all the teams in the league, the percentages would probably be pretty similar, except for the disastrous teams like Detroit.

 

[primetime]

And that's not counting Welker and Moss.

this is completely irrelevant

 

[Deus Irae]

this is completely irrelevant

No, it's not. Then again, I understand that you'd say that, given that it helps to further undercut your argument.

 

[primetime]

No, it's not. Then again, I understand that you'd say that, given that it helps to further undercut your argument.

they did not draft welker or moss. they were not rookies. it is irrelevant when you are talking about a team being poor at drafting

 

[Deus Irae]

they did not draft welker or moss. they were not rookies. it is irrelevant when you are talking about a team being poor at drafting

You made an assertion about drafting. It was wrong. Furthermore, some of the draft picks the Patriots would have had in the top rounds (where success % is highest) were used to bring in two of the best receivers in the game. That's only irrelevant to those who made a terrible argument to start with.

 

[Deus Irae]

Had **** Rehbein not been persistent, the Patriots would not have drafted

Brady and there would not be three Superbowl rings.

So, had the Patriots not decided to go with Brady, they wouldn't have had Brady. I'm not sure why people like to bring this up all the time. The Patriots were deciding between two quarterbacks, and they chose Brady.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Couple points...

Welker & Moss ARE relevant

Pats don't miss on 1st round is nice but not as significant as on first blush

Why? Because it's what you DO with your picks to BUILD a team that counts. If you traded every pick for FAs that started or were significant backup contributors you'd build a top team. Similarly, first round misses lose significance if you draft quality starters in later rounds in an amount equivalent or greater that those that woulda/coulda/shoulda made it from the top rounds. Fans get fixated on specific results in high rounds. What counts is the squad you assemble from your entire draft, UFA process, not specific picks & busts.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

So, had the Patriots not decided to go with Brady, they wouldn't have had Brady. I'm not sure why people like to bring this up all the time. The Patriots were deciding between two quarterbacks, and they chose Brady.

And they thought so highly of him that they drafted Dave Stachelski, Jeff Marriott and Antwan Harris before him.

 

[Deus Irae]

And they thought so highly of him that they drafted Dave Stachelski, Jeff Marriott and Antwan Harris before him.

So teams shouldn't get credit for any pick made in a draft besides their first one?