Curran: Marshall Faulk not over being cheated out of Super Bowl victory

[1960Pats]

A few more observations on the annual Pats cheated cry-fest.

I think there's a gag order on the Pats concerning Crygate.

I blame three people the most. Goodell, Kraft and Belichick.

Goodell for his complete bumbling of the whole thing, Kraft for giving us the dopestick in the first place and Belichick for not handling his face to face with Goddy better.

I enjoy seeing all of the fuss though.

 

[DarrylStingley]

A good friend is an Eagles fan who gives me the "we lost by 3; you don't think the Pats got 4 points advantage out of SpyGate? you don't think that a couple of plays were defensed better because of SpyGate?"

My answer is "no, grow up."

The fact that the Pats regular season record is BETTER post-SpyGate is nice.

But damn, we need to shut these byatches up with one more Lombardi. Tom and Bill, no more playing around in the playoffs. One more. That's all I ask.

 

[Halifax_Pats_Fan]

I kinda love how it gets under the skin of #28, #13 and lord knows who else on that team.

Great response by Willie. Man we could use some more #55's out there now a days. Great character, great man, superb athlete. I remember when he took Brady away from Bledsoe in the tunnel and tried to calm Brady down a little bit.

I mean it really is over. Is it not? It's over. I find Warner slightly more bearable than #28. I am so glad he never became a Patriot.

As a fan base we have to just be willing to accept that it will never go away because people in the media know it makes for interesting TV and media.

At the end of the day, so far, we have three SB rings...that's it....

 

[crew1954]

Some of the fans are quite over it yet either, but then again, I am not sure what else there is to do in St Louis in January:

Bernie: Faulk Still Reeling From 'Being Cheated'

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

Mike and Mike this morning talked to Kurt Warner and to Matt Light.

There were plusses and minuses. Kurt said it was so long ago, he's let bygones be bygones.

Matt said something like Hey, I know what it's like to lose. It stinks. But I know what it's like to win and that we worked hard to get it done. Deal with it Marshall... you lost.

Once again, though, Mike and Mike spread tons of misconceptions that were left unchallenged. In posing the question to Warner and to Light, Greenberg said something like "do you understand, with the spygate scandal, how Faulk can feel this way?"

I really wanted someone to remind Mike and Mike that the taping of a walk-through allegation was

1) totally separate from spygate, the taping of defensive signals in a game
2) was not only an unsubstantiated charge, but was in fact RECTRACTED by the rag newspaper that made up the story.
3) the facts from the game do not jive with Faulk's complaints (Pats knowing red zone plays, for example. when the Rams were in the red zone once that day, and scored)

but no... they re-inforced the myth that taping a walkthrough was part of spygate.

:violent:

 

[SVN]

Mike and Mike this morning talked to Kurt Warner and to Matt Light.

There were plusses and minuses. Kurt said it was so long ago, he's let bygones be bygones.

Matt said something like Hey, I know what it's like to lose. It stinks. But I know what it's like to win and that we worked hard to get it done. Deal with it Marshall... you lost.

Once again, though, Mike and Mike spread tons of misconceptions that were left unchallenged. In posing the question to Warner and to Light, Greenberg said something like "do you understand, with the spygate scandal, how Faulk can feel this way?"

I really wanted someone to remind Mike and Mike that the taping of a walk-through allegation was

1) totally separate from spygate, the taping of defensive signals in a game
2) was not only an unsubstantiated charge, but was in fact RECTRACTED by the rag newspaper that made up the story.
3) the facts from the game do not jive with Faulk's complaints (Pats knowing red zone plays, for example. when the Rams were in the red zone once that day, and scored)

but no... they re-inforced the myth that taping a walkthrough was part of spygate.

:violent:

The sad part is our OWN media screwed this team about this walkthrough tape myth without ever seeing such a tape or knowing someone who saw the tape. People are never going to look at the retractions. Herald really screwed the team. Only in boston. And then these guys complain how the team and coaches dont give them access.

 

[Tunescribe]

Faulk is supposed to be featured on NFLN giving a guided tour of his native New Orleans. I wonder if he'll include the Bourbon Street strip clubs. "Look at that married man in there! He's cheating!"

 

[Efstratios]

So, I know less about the whole Spygate fiasco than probably 98% of the posters on here, so I'm not sure how much validity my points hold, and any of you can feel free to correct on this. But every fan I've argued with about this whole thing, usually tends to make the same 6 points. Again, what I'm arguing is also probably full of holes, so I encourage you guys to call me out, If I say anything stupid. I'm probably restating what's already been said anyway.

1: "If it didn't help, why did they do it?": Basically, they don't even understand WHY the taping was done. A lot of uninformed fans assumed that the taping was used as an in game advantage. IIRC the whole reason for teams to study the signals of another team, was for those signals to serve as a reference point, in the event that they played that team again.

2: "If it wasn't a big deal, why did Goodell fine them so much?": Probably the second most asinine argument made. These people fail to understand that Goodell was trying to assert power, and made the Pats an example of what happens when you don't play by his rules.

3: "Why Did Goodell burn the tapes?": IIRC, the tapes were shown to members of the media, or something. And Goodell determined that nothing on there was incriminating. Again, I didn't follow this whole scandal as heavily as you guys, so I don't exactly know the contents of them. I think the fact that Goodell "destroyed the evidence", allowed all these crazy conspiracy theories to flourish. As many on here have said, he completely bungled the whole thing.

4: "They taped the walkthrough of the Rams": It's because people like Faulk gets jobs as commentators that this whole thing is still even brought up.

5: "The pats haven't on since Spygate!: The most asinine argument, period.

6: "Why is taping on the sidelines specifically even forbidden now, if it's not giving any big advantages?": Honestly, this is the one that gives me the most trouble, as I'm not an expert on league protocol and regulation at all. I was hoping some of you guys could clear this one up for me. All I know, is that it's basically legal to tape elsewhere.

But as most posters have said, this whole thing is still an issue because the Pats organization didn't come out against it. That, and people with axes to grind tend to get jobs (commentators, writers) that permit them to spew their BS.

 

[robbomango]

A good friend is an Eagles fan who gives me the "we lost by 3; you don't think the Pats got 4 points advantage out of SpyGate? you don't think that a couple of plays were defensed better because of SpyGate?"

My answer is "no, grow up."

The fact that the Pats regular season record is BETTER post-SpyGate is nice.

But damn, we need to shut these byatches up with one more Lombardi. Tom and Bill, no more playing around in the playoffs. One more. That's all I ask.

Haters won't shut up with one more super bowl win, they'll just say"hmmm..only one title since spygate" if we won3 more they'd say"must be cheating again". As long as there are a few Marshall Faulks in the media it will never die IMO. Maybe some of the pre-Super Bowl chatter but I'm not even sure about that.

 

[Jackson 2]

The sad part is our OWN media screwed this team about this walkthrough tape myth without ever seeing such a tape or knowing someone who saw the tape. People are never going to look at the retractions. Herald really screwed the team. Only in boston. And then these guys complain how the team and coaches dont give them access.

For crissakes Mut and Merloni referred to taping the walk-through recently as if it actually happened.

 

[eom]

But as most posters have said, this whole thing is still an issue because the Pats organization didn't come out against it. That, and people with axes to grind tend to get jobs (commentators, writers) that permit them to spew their BS.

the whole thing is still an issue because there are a few winners in the world, but a ton of losers with excuses.

thinking addressing this nonsense will shut anyone up is just bs'ing yourself.

when the pats spend 10 years winning 49 games, like the raiders just did, it will quiet down.
hope you guys will be happy then.

 

[Koma]

It's interesting that, last week, Tim Brown was saying that Bill Callahan sabotaged the Raiders in SB37 (?) because he changed the game plan several days before the game.

Marshall Faulk, on the other hand, believes that brand new plays installed for the first time at a walkthrough the day before the game were going to be the key to victory.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

For crissakes Mut and Merloni referred to taping the walk-through recently as if it actually happened.

The poster earlier asked some very good questions about spygate, but there are several things to remember that 99% of people at large and maybe 50% of Pats fans, even, simply do not understand:

Marshal Faulk's complaint has NOTHING to do with SPYGATE.

There are two different sets of allegations that people tend to lump together: 1) spygate and 2) the made-up story about taping the Rams walk-through. The first happened, the second did not.

Maybe the made-up story about taping the Rams walk-through needs a name to distinguish it from spygate. I call it liegate, but Herald-gate or Tomase-gate could work. It did not happen. It was retracted by the Herald and denied by the supposed source, the ex-video employee.

I know that most of you know these facts outlined above, but we need to keep educating people so that some day, someone in the news media understands!

 

[terabthia2]

So, I know less about the whole Spygate fiasco than probably 98% of the posters on here

Actually, it sounds like you know MORE about Spygate than about 98% of the ignorant yahoos you probably run into who bring up the crap you mentioned. So don't sweat it there.

Right on. #5...I have a hard time even being rational about that one. :bricks:

 

[jmt57]

According to the wisdom of the crowd:

For 31 NFL teams, the reason they have not won since (whatever the last time they won) is because the current players are not as good, the coaching staff is not as good, the players haven't executed as well, bad drafts, injuries, etc.

For one NFL team none of those reasons are applicable, it has to be something else.




The sad part is that the vast majority of these people still wouldn't see their double standard hypocrisy even when you lay it out like that in front of them.

 

[SeymourTrophies]

If logic was the driving force, Spygate talk would have ended with Jimmy Johnson's interview saying that everyone does it, or the fact that Jets personnel got kicked out of Gilette the previous season for the same thing. The Pats just didn't get big brother involved. Or the fact the Phins were not quiet about letting people know they had intel on Brady's cadences after their 21-0 win in 2006.

It was really only the New Yorkers and NY-loving BSPN howling initially with the occasional holler from that Rams team. Then the Pats went on a tour of carnage and were blowing everyone out of the water. Not a Raven fan or Redskin fan came at with me "cheater" crap until we curb stomped the Skins and pulled a W from where the sun don't shine against the Ravens on MNF. If anything was going to shut anyone up, it was going to be the offensive records set in 2007 after the Pats secret potion against other teams defense's had been confiscated.

I've been TROLOLOLOL-ing facebook this week since the Ray Lewis PED thing came up. Pretty suspicious that Suggs made a miracle recovery too

The idea of the noble and morally clean victory is laughable though. Competition is just as much about getting every little edge you can as it is about actually being good.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

i can still hear the crying from here

 

[supafly]

Someone please tell Marshall Faulk that I will never "get over" being cheated out of quality football analysis everytime that his face is on NFL Network.

 

[robbomango]

The sad part is our OWN media screwed this team about this walkthrough tape myth without ever seeing such a tape or knowing someone who saw the tape. People are never going to look at the retractions. Herald really screwed the team. Only in boston. And then these guys complain how the team and coaches dont give them access.

Does anyone in the local media defend the Patriots on cameragate or the Rams BS? Sadly the only article I can recall saying it was overblown BS was written by the reporter(forget his name) that initially broke the story.

 

[buile]

"It's either the best coaching in the world ... or you'd seen it and knew what to do."

Wow, he actually got something right! Pats hadn't seen it, so the answer is: best coaching in the world.