Converting CBs to safety

[Mystery Pats Fan]

Yes I am 100% positive.

Sorry, but that is totally illogical. You leave no room, at all, for margin of error. There is no way that you can know who is posting on a message board, ANY message board to logically say that you can be 100% positive.

For example, there is no way that you can say that you are 100% sure that someone in this forum that is posting is not Bill Belichick himself.

Now, my personal opinion is that no one in this forum is, actually, Bill Belichick, but it would be completely stupid of me to say that I know that, 100%. Do you?

 

[Ring 6]

Sorry, but that is totally illogical. You leave no room, at all, for margin of error. There is no way that you can know who is posting on a message board, ANY message board to logically say that you can be 100% positive.

For example, there is no way that you can say that you are 100% sure that someone in this forum that is posting is not Bill Belichick himself.

Now, my personal opinion is that no one in this forum is, actually, Bill Belichick, but it would be completely stupid of me to say that I know that, 100%. Do you?

Look, I KNOW that Bill freaking Belichick is not posting on this forum.
Further, I know that Captain Stone, after reading years of his posts, has ZERO percent of a chance of knowing more about evaluating a football player than BB, and has a miniscule shred of the information available to make that evaluation.

There is absolutley nothing logical in reading that posters comments and concluding you think he is Bill Belichick deciding to come on a message board, argue, make negative comments about him self and rip his players.
You have left the reservation again.

 

[cstjohn17]

This may have been discussed but other than Eugene Wilson and Darren Woodson (at the end of his career) I scratch my head to think of many successful conversions from CB to Safety.

 

[DW Toys]

This may have been discussed but other than Eugene Wilson and Darren Woodson (at the end of his career) I scratch my head to think of many successful conversions from CB to Safety.

Mr. Ronnie Lott was pretty good.
DW Toys

 

[DW Toys]

But we still need a Safety who can cover a lot better than Chung can - or can't, to be more accurate.

Capt', Hence my choice of Zack Brown as a Safety. There is a blank page on Barron as far as his coverage skills. He was not asked to do that at Alabama in a pure sense. I watched him "try" to cover Alshon Jeffrey on tape. You know Jeffrey. The WR everyone says is fat and slow but just did a 4.6 40. Never had a real QB at South Carolina either. Jeffrey not only smoked him but set him on to burning to the ground. My two cents says Jeffery is as good as Blackmon but that is for another day.

Anyway the skills of Zack Brown beg him to be Safety. 4.28 speed hand held with UNC records in the 60 meter, can run with any WR in the Draft or any WR in the NFL, tracks the ball superb, sees the ball well and anticipates, and goes to that ball, three INTs in 2011, plays sideline to sideline, over 100 tackles 2011 but they say he was a better coverage LB and I would suspect his 5.5 sacks would be another Safety blitz element that would change the dynamics of our defense. He is not small. 6'1" and about 238lb or about Bruschi's size (about 10lbs heavier than Harrison but way faster). All Pro S Adrian Wilson is 6'3" and 230lbs.

I am beating this horse to death. I'll stop for now.

DW Toys

 

[manxman2601]

Capt', Hence my choice of Zack Brown as a Safety. There is a blank page on Barron as far as his coverage skills. He was not asked to do that at Alabama in a pure sense. I watched him "try" to cover Alshon Jeffrey on tape. You know Jeffrey. The WR everyone says is fat and slow but just did a 4.6 40. Never had a real QB at South Carolina either. Jeffrey not only smoked him but set him on to burning to the ground. My two cents says Jeffery is as good as Blackmon but that is for another day.

Anyway the skills of Zack Brown beg him to be Safety. 4.28 speed hand held with UNC records in the 60 meter, can run with any WR in the Draft or any WR in the NFL, tracks the ball superb, sees the ball well and anticipates, and goes to that ball, three INTs in 2011, plays sideline to sideline, over 100 tackles 2011 but they say he was a better coverage LB and I would suspect his 5.5 sacks would be another Safety blitz element that would change the dynamics of our defense. He is not small. 6'1" and about 238lb or about Bruschi's size (about 10lbs heavier than Harrison but way faster). All Pro S Adrian Wilson is 6'3" and 230lbs.

I am beating this horse to death. I'll stop for now.

DW Toys

That beating of Barron by Jeffery was one game over a year ago. i'm sure most of us are better in our job now than we were a year ago. If you watch the tape, you'll see plenty of evidence that Barron plays centerfield coverage very well. This is why Mayock has him ranked as a top 10 prospect this year and why Nawrocki tells us that at least one team in the top 10 is looking seriously at Barron. Fact is, he's a top 10 prospect in this draft who might be available in the teens.

As for Zach Brown, I'm not a fan but i once suggested the very thing you do. But if you are going to use Barron v Jeffery as an example for why Barron should not be drafted, i'll just bounce Zach Brown's bowl game back at you in which he was woeful.

If we're discussing the relative merits of Barron and Brown at safety, Barron wins hands down. as a coverage LB, Brown is better but I fear he's another Gary Guyton. would rather have Lavonte David.

just my two pennies.

 

[cstjohn17]

Mr. Ronnie Lott was pretty good.
DW Toys

Good point, Mike Ditka was a kickass TE and no one can forget about the Giff.

So are we up to 3 over the past 30 years?

 

[supafly]

This may have been discussed but other than Eugene Wilson and Darren Woodson (at the end of his career) I scratch my head to think of many successful conversions from CB to Safety.

I think that's a very fair point.

I also think that the comparison may be somewhat off-base due to the fact that some of our CB's have already been playing safety. (Moore, McCourty, Allen) Since they have actually taken live game reps at times there, and already know the position, the "change" to safety wouldn't even really be all that much of a change to be honest.

Anyone else besides those 3 is a complete guessing game/gamble IMO, and you have already provided the odds on how that exercise may go.

 

[Mystery Pats Fan]

Look, I KNOW that Bill freaking Belichick is not posting on this forum.
Further, I know that Captain Stone, after reading years of his posts, has ZERO percent of a chance of knowing more about evaluating a football player than BB, and has a miniscule shred of the information available to make that evaluation.

There is absolutley nothing logical in reading that posters comments and concluding you think he is Bill Belichick deciding to come on a message board, argue, make negative comments about him self and rip his players.
You have left the reservation again.

It is impossible for you to say that you know 100%. do you personally know who every one is that posts in this forum?

As I said,I dont believe so either, but I am not going to say 100%. That would be arrogant of me to say so. Not to mention, stupid.

And that is the only point I am making. Now, if you know every person in this forum, personally, then you would be correct. Semantics, i would suggest.

 

[Ring 6]

It is impossible for you to say that you know 100%.

No it is not, look I AM 100% positive, that the poster who calls himself Captain Stone is better equipped to assess the abilities of Patrick Chung. See not impossible, because I just did it again. And you know what? I am correct.

do you personally know who every one is that posts in this forum?

I do not need to.

As I said,I dont believe so either, but I am not going to say 100%. That would be arrogant of me to say so. Not to mention, stupid.

So now you are calling me names?
I am stupid because I think Bill Belichick, the best coach in the NFL is better equipped to assess his player than some dude on a message board with an axe to grind?
As someone in your intellectual stratosphere once said, stupid is as stupid does.

And that is the only point I am making. Now, if you know every person in this forum, personally, then you would be correct. Semantics, i would suggest.

The point you think you are making is foolish and has nothing to do with my comment that you decided to respond to and derail the thread.

Please tell me you aren't one of those guys that goes around making weak arguments and then defends it with 'how do you know I'm not the Ghost of Vince Lombardi" or some equivalent load of crap.

 

[unoriginal]

So are we up to 3 over the past 30 years?

Malcolm Jenkins, LeRoy Butler, Tyrone Braxton, Troy Vincent, and Aeneas Williams all moved to safety with success after varying tenures at cornerback.

Also, Artrell Hawkins.

 

[NinjaZX6R]

To be fair, people already had Malcolm Jenkins moving to FS bc of his 40 time. Plus at his senior year, he played FS on nickel downs.