Congratulations to Mr. Peyton Manning on winning this seasons MVP

[thenepatsrule]

Funny part is...when manning was with the colts, everyone made excuses for him saying he has no defense and is carrying the team- not to mention its their offense which failed them in all playoff losses. Right now brady is carrying a team with poor defense but still its manning who is making the big difference in denver. They just cant wait to give him the trophy since they couldnt last yr. I hope he wins its. MVPs havent had good luck with winning it all recently.

Speaking of winning games with a bad defense I think the Saints fans can now appreciate what Brady did last year with the worst defense in NFL , while Brees is having a bit of difficulty carrying the team with the terrible defense that they have

 

[upstater1]

The stat that is always telling for me is that Brady's numbers in domes (on the road no less!!!) are better than Manning's numbers in domes (mostly at home!!!!)

That's the one stat that's just incredible.

 

[Fball]

Brady loses two SuperBowls in which he came back from a deficit and had his team ahead with 3 minutes to go and everybody jumps to say he isn't clutch anymore, can't close out games, has lost his magic, etc. Manning has a 10 point lead in the first quarter, blows it, then throws a pick-6 while driving to tie the score, and caps it off turning the ball over on downs, and hardly anyone dares to speak about that game. The Colts were the better team, the Colts were favored, they started the game on fire, and Manning blew it. It's that simple.

Wasn't Caldwell the coach in that Superbowl?

Yeah - Caldwell against Sean Payton. That seems fair.

Manning actually had a pretty great game outside of the INT. If Hank Baskett stays in position for an onside kick, that game was probably a Colts blowout.

 

[JMC00]

Brady was named the AFC Player of the Week

This is Brady's 22nd time earning the honor, which ties him with Peyton Manning for the most Player of the Week awards for any player since it was established in 1984

Looks like NFL will be given AFC POtW to Manning next week. So Manning can reclaim his spot as being selected for AFC POtW the most.

 

[RodThePat]

Wasn't Caldwell the coach in that Superbowl?

Yeah - Caldwell against Sean Payton. That seems fair.

Manning actually had a pretty great game outside of the INT. If Hank Baskett stays in position for an onside kick, that game was probably a Colts blowout.

Caldwell was good enough to lead them to a 14-2 record and get them to the Superbowl. And you can't say that had they recovered the onside kick they blow the Saints out, there's no way of figuring out how the game would have played out.

Also, you seem to have a very broad definition of "pretty great", considering he lead the Colts to 17 points (only 7 after the first quarter of the game), and threw 1 TD and 1 INT.

 

[RodThePat]

The stat that is always telling for me is that Brady's numbers in domes (on the road no less!!!) are better than Manning's numbers in domes (mostly at home!!!!)

That's the one stat that's just incredible.

Brady's numbers are better than Manning's pretty much across the board. He's got less volume stats because he has played in three less seasons.

 

[Fball]

Caldwell was good enough to lead them to a 14-2 record and get them to the Superbowl. And you can't say that had they recovered the onside kick they blow the Saints out, there's no way of figuring out how the game would have played out.

Also, you seem to have a very broad definition of "pretty great", considering he lead the Colts to 17 points (only 7 after the first quarter of the game), and threw 1 TD and 1 INT.

I think the onside kick was a turning point in that game, personally, and that came down to coaching. If the Colts recovered that, it would have been a very different narrative - with the Saints having to play catch up late in the game instead of vice versa.

Brady only led one touchdown drive in his first SB, yet his # of Lombardi's is frequently cited in the whole "TB/PM" debate. It's hard to win a SB. A lot of things have to come together just so, and I've always been of the opinion that it's a game where better coaching tends to prevail.

 

[ThatllMoveTheChains!!!]

Brady loses two SuperBowls in which he came back from a deficit and had his team ahead with 3 minutes to go and everybody jumps to say he isn't clutch anymore, can't close out games, has lost his magic, etc. Manning has a 10 point lead in the first quarter, blows it, then throws a pick-6 while driving to tie the score, and caps it off turning the ball over on downs, and hardly anyone dares to speak about that game. The Colts were the better team, the Colts were favored, they started the game on fire, and Manning blew it. It's that simple.

Well at least we know both Manning and Brady's balls are squeaky clean...

 

[RodThePat]

I think the onside kick was a turning point in that game, personally, and that came down to coaching. If the Colts recovered that, it would have been a very different narrative - with the Saints having to play catch up late in the game instead of vice versa.

Brady only led one touchdown drive in his first SB, yet his # of Lombardi's is frequently cited in the whole "TB/PM" debate. It's hard to win a SB. A lot of things have to come together just so, and I've always been of the opinion that it's a game where better coaching tends to prevail.

Brady also didn't turn the ball over and drove down the field to win it with 1:21 left on the clock and no timeouts. Manning had a chance to tie it late and threw a pick 6 that ended the game. There's a bit of a difference there, and I'm not even bringing up the fact Manning was a 12th year vet in that game, while Brady was in his 16th start against the Rams.

 

[Fball]

Brady also didn't turn the ball over and drove down the field to win it with 1:21 left on the clock and no timeouts. Manning had a chance to tie it late and threw a pick 6 that ended the game. There's a bit of a difference there, and I'm not even bringing up the fact Manning was a 12th year vet in that game, while Brady was in his 16th start against the Rams.

If you want to get comprehensive about it, Brady also led one of the most prolific offenses in NFL history to 14 points in a recent SB. And he threw an INT and overthrew a wide open receiver on a game-clinching play in the next.

I'm not trying to be argumentative. I think both guys are greats, and I think Brady is the better overall QB. I don't think mistakes in big games necessarily diminish great QB's. There are too many other factors involved.

 

[RodThePat]

If you want to get comprehensive about it, Brady also led one of the most prolific offenses in NFL history to 14 points in a recent SB. And he threw an INT and overthrew a wide open receiver on a game-clinching play in the next.

I'm not trying to be argumentative. I think both guys are greats, and I think Brady is the better overall QB. I don't think mistakes in big games necessarily diminish great QB's. There are too many other factors involved.

If Brady plays 10% better in those two games, the Patriots would have 5 titles by now. I'm not saying he performed great or anything. I just think that recently people always come back to those two games to criticize him, to say he doesn't have it in the clutch anymore and etc., and I don't see anybody talking about the 2009 Superbowl, where Manning arguably played even worse than Tom did in his losses. That's all I'm saying.

 

[Fball]

If Brady plays 10% better in those two games, the Patriots would have 5 titles by now. I'm not saying he performed great or anything. I just think that recently people always come back to those two games to criticize him, to say he doesn't have it in the clutch anymore and etc., and I don't see anybody talking about the 2009 Superbowl, where Manning arguably played even worse than Tom did in his losses. That's all I'm saying.

Understood; I get what you're saying. Personally, I think Peyton took a pretty hard fall after that SB, but that is because the hype was all "GOAT" prior to that game.

People who say Brady isn't clutch anymore or whatever are just silly. It's like a bigger thing - a reflection of our culture, where we don't like people on top for too long. Brady has done things since 2001 that no other QB has done, or may ever do. He may end up in 6-7 Superbowl appearances before all is said & done, and likely at least 4 rings. There is no way to satisfy anyone who tries to diminish what he's done, or claim that he has lost any "clutch" factor.

 

[voluntarysaftey]

Obviously King is an idiot.

But I would we've definitely dodged a bullet by Manning deciding he didnt want the pressure of winning a super bowl by joining San Francisco.

Can you imagine SF with Mannning?

 

[robbomango]

Brady loses two SuperBowls in which he came back from a deficit and had his team ahead with 3 minutes to go and everybody jumps to say he isn't clutch anymore, can't close out games, has lost his magic, etc. Manning has a 10 point lead in the first quarter, blows it, then throws a pick-6 while driving to tie the score, and caps it off turning the ball over on downs, and hardly anyone dares to speak about that game. The Colts were the better team, the Colts were favored, they started the game on fire, and Manning blew it. It's that simple.

1st off Manning doesn't throw INT's, receivers are always out of position on those plays.

2nd, Manning didn't blow the SB, he intentionally gave the game away for the down trodden City of New Orleans in the aftermath of Katrina

 

[BSR]

Before everyone crucifies King, I'd like to point out that he wrote this in his most recent MMQB:

2. Atlanta (7-0). Any doubt Matt Ryan's the leader in the clubhouse for the 2012 NFL MVP disappeared in the first half at Philadelphia. Ryan went 17 of 20 for 197 yards with three touchdowns and no picks in said first half, and it was 24-7 entering the break.

Read more: Vick Ballard, Tim Jennings, Michael Vick, more Week 8 thoughts - Peter King - SI.com

Clearly he has Ryan as the lead for MVP.

 

[thenepatsrule]

Before everyone crucifies King, I'd like to point out that he wrote this in his most recent MMQB:

2. Atlanta (7-0). Any doubt Matt Ryan's the leader in the clubhouse for the 2012 NFL MVP disappeared in the first half at Philadelphia. Ryan went 17 of 20 for 197 yards with three touchdowns and no picks in said first half, and it was 24-7 entering the break.

Read more: Vick Ballard, Tim Jennings, Michael Vick, more Week 8 thoughts - Peter King - SI.com

Clearly he has Ryan as the lead for MVP.

Sports Illustrated NFL Preview 2012: Broncos, Peyton Manning win AFC

NFL writer Peter King picked the Broncos to advance to the Super Bowl to play the Green Bay Packers. King says the Packers will win that game in New Orleans 33-30.

King also picks Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning to win the league’s MVP and Comeback Player of the Year awards.

 

[thenepatsrule]

1st off Manning doesn't throw INT's, receivers are always out of position on those plays.

2nd, Manning didn't blow the SB, he intentionally gave the game away for the down trodden City of New Orleans in the aftermath of Katrina

 

[BSR]

Sports Illustrated NFL Preview 2012: Broncos, Peyton Manning win AFC

That's a prediction from the beginning of the year not his current assessment, which is what this discussion is about. His current take is Matt Ryan.

 

[thenepatsrule]

That's a prediction from the beginning of the year not his current assessment, which is what this discussion is about. His current take is Matt Ryan.

I knew this before i posted the link , King was on Cowherds show after the Chargers game (a week back) and he said that Peyton is the MVP as per him, I am pretty sure that he will change his mind from Ryan to Manning the moment the Falcons have their first loss

 

[Metaphors]

I think people are getting out over their skis re: Manning and the Broncos. The Broncos have played 3 road games and have faced the following deficits:
27-7
31-7
24-0

82-14 folks. They play 5 of their next 7 games on the road. While the competition isn't stellar (CIN, CAR, KC, OAK, BAL), the Broncos haven't shown the ability to do well on the road except when the opposing defense throttles down with a big lead. In addition, Manning has yet to play in a "weather" game...and that will be changing soon.

Mayhaps we should wait until the Flying Goobers play a couple of roadies without falling behind by 3 scores. Or see if Manning can throw the ball in wind and cold...or even through air friction. With the rest of their division pooping themselves on a weekly basis, their road to the playoffs seems pretty clear. But if they can't pass last years level (one playoff win), then I'm not sure if you can consider the Manning experiment much of a success.