Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by ChrisR2223, Jan 24, 2019.
Who in 3 weeks will be a enemy in the division
I wish him the absolute worst and hope he gets fired in two years.
as long as they don't try to poach Brady for his final years
Flores will have the Pats defensive playsheets going with him to use by Miami next season......knowing what is coming against your D is alot easier to defend ......New Offensive game plans against Miami will keep Josh busy this offseason........
I don't want to get too far ahead of things but...Is there enough room to hang another World Champion banner or two in The Razor?
It has been said and oft written that BB has a plan to replace the turf technician, he has something in mind. Not sure he would hold anyone back to make life better for their family as that person rose through the ranks and was honest with him..
BB took Mangini under his wing right out of college and "coached him up". BB was upset about Mangini's more about betrayal and going behind his back.. then there was "cameragate". Mangini is on longer in the will and has been out of coaching since 2015.
I don't know why people think that Flores is not ready to be a HC. If he is an overnight success, he is one that has been THIRTEEN years in the making. That's how long he has been working at his craft that led him to this point.
I think he has a great chance to succeed. Think about it. He has worked in all areas of the football operations. From scouting, to quality control, he was worked on the offensive side and more so on the defensive side. He has a fully formed coaching style that resonates well with players on both sides of the ball. Why wait.
Sure if he stayed, he might have become a better DC with more experience, but the fact is, he isn't moving on to be a DC. He's moving on to be a HC. Being a better DC isn't going to make him a better HC.
Right now I think he's made a number of good moves. Hiring Jim Caldwell was genius. He is a very well respected veteran offensive mind who had relatively decent success as a HC. It was smart to add someone who has been there and done that to smooth the transition.
O'shea was another one as OC. I think he's important not because he's going to import the Pats offense, but the Pats LANGUAGE. The semantics that has evolved over the years is one of the reasons that Pats have been able to become a week to week game planning team. Not only bringing in O'Shea brings a good football mind, he's the guy that will tasked with teaching all the other coaches "the language". No small task, but a critical one, because they are the guys who have to teach it to the players.
I can almost guarantee that Flores had Bill's blessing to take Chad. It only makes sense given that Josh will be staying for the foreseeable future. Bill has never been one to block someone's advancement.
Now who will replace these 2? Billema might be the new DC, or might have some other job. The Pats will likely promote from within. I'm sure they have a half dozen young smart guys who have spent the last few years breaking down film, going for coffee, and otherwise learning the ropes who are ready to move up to a position coach position. If no one is ready, I'm sure there are dozens of young coaches who would love to come in and fill a job here, just like O'Shea did 10 years ago.
We'll be OK
Tank for Tua !!!
Now we know why Caldwell is aboard.
Miami Dolphins reportedly planning to tank next season
Brian Flores Is Kyle Brandt's Pick For 2019 Coach Of The Year
“My take that I’m lifting: Brian Flores will be the 2019 Coach of the Year,” Brandt said. “What does that mean? Yes, they’re going to have a winning season. They may even sneak into the playoffs. Guys, last time we saw Brian Flores working, all he was doing was taking this beautiful Rams offense of Sean McVay and dunking their heads in the toilet and shoving it for a swirly. I love you, McVay. You’re probably working out right now on your decline press, but it wasn’t a great day for you."
"The Flores-McVay reference, of course, was to Super Bowl LIII when Flores called the New England defense that held the Rams to three points and 260 total yards in the Patriots’ 13-3 victory. The Rams had scored 30 and 26 points in their first two playoff games against the Cowboys and Saints, respectively, and gained 459 and 378 yards."
Sort of a dueling banjos kind of thing going on here.
Come on...nothing against Flores, but is there any question that Belichick was the absolute mastermind behind SB53? He’d been waiting for this showdown with McVeigh and it’s known he’d been watching the Rams offense during the season. Belichick has put together many of the greatest defensive gameplans in the league’s history. Sorry...not sold that Flores had much to do with defensive masterpiece until some insider confirms it. Looks to me like Bill, Bill, and Bill on that one.
This is nothing against Flores, who I’m sure is really talented. But using SB53 as the crux of your reasoning isn’t a good idea. To me, it gives a lot more doubt as Flores’s abilities and suggests he may crash and burn without BB like so many before him. Does anyone these days credit Romeo Crennel for his defensive brilliance during the early years of the dynastynagsinst teams like the Colts and Rams? No - they’ve since learned that’s absurd.
Even I haven't been that hard on you. But you probably are best advised to avoid mirrors.
Article basically opines that THIS year's Shiny New Thing is Flores. Lats year's McVay is SO 2018. Worthless opinion.
Flores will be a flop just like Fatty P.
What adds credence to this is that it's been reported that BB texted McVay after every Rams game.
While I'm sure Bill contributed to the basic design of the defense that week, he didn't call a SINGLE defensive call that game. That was all on Flores, including the all out blitz that led to the pick.
This isn't to minimize what Bill brings to the table, but putting something as complex as a defensive game plan against today's multiple offenses is NEVER a one man job. Not even a "mostly" one man job. It's a collaboration.....and a massive one at that.
I would guess that Bill's contribution probably focused on the basic CONCEPTS that he wanted to see. Like the idea of the DL playing "vertically" rather 2 gap side to side. But all the formation and motion tendencies would have been broken down by the QC and position coaches. The structure of the individual stunts would have been designed by the position coaches. And in the end BB would have had final say on what went into the game plan...just like EVERY HC should have.
So while I think that that it is obvious that Bill played a big role on what played out in the Superbowl, he didn't do it in a vacuum and your claim that Flores didn't have much to do with either the development OR the execution of the game plan makes no sense whatsoever. Its lazy thinking. "If its good, BB did it. If it's bad, it must have been someone else"
How can Flores win COTY if they're only winning 3 games?
I'm sure Flores did a great job preparing the players and calling the plays as prepped in the game plan. But when asked who had the most influence in the Super Bowl and the season - the best defensive coach of his generation or a first time coordinator/play caller .. I am going with the former.
I think Flores has a good chance to succeed as a HC based on player comments. But I doubt Belichick gave his input on Mondays, said "Go get'em Flo" and waited for the kickoff.
Under the massively inept Stephen Ross, winning three games is a legendary feat.
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