Coby Fleener Released...

[Brady_Moss]

Bring him in??..

 

[SHOWTIME15]

We already have allen and niklas as backups...not sure where he fits in.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Nope .............
Saints going with Watson and Hooman over him.

 

[Deus Irae]

Bring him in??..

Might want to check and see if he even wants to play, after he suffered yet another concussion.

 

[Brady_Moss]

To toughen up the TE2 position. It would be great to actually have a 2nd TE who could catch.. just saying

 

[Brady_Moss]

Nope .............
Saints going with Watson and Hooman over him.

Other teams trash is always our treasure...you ought to know that by now..

 

[jah]

A Jimmy Graham type with bad hands lmao

 

[Deus Irae]

A Jimmy Graham type with bad hands lmao

Before his concussion ridden 2017 season, he'd had 4 straight 50 catch years. If he's 100% recovered, he's an upgrade as a pass catching TE. The problems are:

• Recovery questions
  
• Concussion history
  
• Willingness to block, especially after the concussions
• Money will quite probably be more elsewhere
  
• Does he really want to keep playing

 

[Uptown]

Can’t catch
Can’t block
Can’t NE

 

[maineman209]

To toughen up the TE2 position. It would be great to actually have a 2nd TE who could catch.. just saying

Not a particularly good blocker, AFAIK.

Both Fleener and Allen were drafted by the Dolts in 2012, and both became UFA in the spring of 2016. On March 8th, Allen re-signed with Indy - 4 years, $29M, $11.5M guaranteed. The next day, Fleener signed with the Saints - 5 years, $36M, $14.6M guaranteed.

Fleener had a decent 2016 as a receiver for the Saints:
- 50 catches (62% catch rate), 631 yds (12.6 ypc), 3 TDs.

Allen was decent for the Dolts, too:
- 35 catches (67% catch rate), 406 yds (11.6 ypc), 6 TDs

Last season with NOLA (only his second season on his new contract), Fleener's targets declined to 30 through week-12:
- 22 catches (73% catch rate), 295 yds (13.4 ypc), 2 TDs
At some point, he suffered a concussion that put him on IR in December.

By releasing him now, the Saints actually increase their cap expense by $200K. IOW, not a cap-cut. This seems to indicate that there's something else going on. I wouldn't be surprised if the second wave of reports about Fleener's release note that it was "failed physical".

 

[maineman209]

Other teams trash is always our treasure...you ought to know that by now..

Not every piece of trash is a treasure.

 

[Kontradiction]

Not every piece of trash is a treasure.

My ex agrees.

 

[Deus Irae]

The timing of the move is curious since $3.4MM of his base salary became guaranteed in February. The Saints, in theory, could have saved $3.2MM against the cap by releasing him months earlier.

Saints Release TE Coby Fleener

 

[Ring 6]

Bring him in??..

No

 

[Ring 6]

Not a particularly good blocker, AFAIK.

Both Fleener and Allen were drafted by the Dolts in 2012, and both became UFA in the spring of 2016. On March 8th, Allen re-signed with Indy - 4 years, $29M, $11.5M guaranteed. The next day, Fleener signed with the Saints - 5 years, $36M, $14.6M guaranteed.

Fleener had a decent 2016 as a receiver for the Saints:
- 50 catches (62% catch rate), 631 yds (12.6 ypc), 3 TDs.

Allen was decent for the Dolts, too:
- 35 catches (67% catch rate), 406 yds (11.6 ypc), 6 TDs

Last season with NOLA (only his second season on his new contract), Fleener's targets declined to 30 through week-12:
- 22 catches (73% catch rate), 295 yds (13.4 ypc), 2 TDs
At some point, he suffered a concussion that put him on IR in December.

By releasing him now, the Saints actually increase their cap expense by $200K. IOW, not a cap-cut. This seems to indicate that there's something else going on. I wouldn't be surprised if the second wave of reports about Fleener's release note that it was "failed physical".

He would be a bad blocker if he played WR.

 

[PatsDeb]

To toughen up the TE2 position. It would be great to actually have a 2nd TE who could catch.. just saying

100% agree, but not sure Fleener is the answer if Hooman beat him out for a spot on the Saints.

 

[juny]

why is allen still on the roster with a 5M cap hit?

 

[PatsDeb]

why is allen still on the roster with a 5M cap hit?

Good question, but I guess the answer is, there is nobody better out there right now (hard to believe, and yes I know the guy is a good blocker but he can't catch for shi-ite).

 

[maineman209]

Pretty surprised we didn't pick a TE in the middle rounds.

The Pats really only had the one pick in the "middle rounds" - #143 in the 5th - and they spent it on an LB. It's possible that the Pats didn't see any greater value with the TE's who were available at that point than they did with Izzo. Probably saw greater value with Bentley.

 

[borg]

I thought I'd point out Kamara's impact for NO.... 38 1st downs on 81 catches / 40 1st downs on only 120 rushes.
NO's offense doesn't need a concussed $8 million non-blocking TE whose move the chains role has been severely diminished.
Cost / health / need....all red flags in the cap conscious NFL