Clete Blakeman's crew assigned to Pats/jests

[Joker]

The NFL is already baked...time to throw the stale green stained pastry OUT....

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

I see....so essentially you are saying THIS is just as likely a rhinoceros...or a duck billed platypus...or an aardvark . The white feathers of "more probable than not" , the orange bill of preposterous gauge "comparisons", the quackings of specific agenda driven sports media members and the webbed feet of aligned corporate interests (NFLoffices, ESPN,NFLN,Disney), all this will lead fans to believe it's Tom Brady in the dump hiding the cell phone. Thank you Colonel Mustard...

Na, I see that pic and I see Christmas Dinner.
Merry Christmas Joker...

 

[Tony2046]

I think this is a great time of the year for each NFL team to hold bakesales so the NFL can hire full time professional referees that are trained and evaluated throughout the year..

Better still remove any taint of impropriety, let a company bid on the referee contract and if the company does not provide quality interpretation of the rules on the field find someone else... remove officiating from the stink of the NFL..

I agree but I also like Quantum's concern about full time officials which is that right now the current officials have professional jobs and therefor are less likely to be influenced but after watching some of these games this year I'm not sure how much water that concern holds.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Full time refs makes no sense since officials wouldn't have anything to do between Sundays. In MLB, Basketball and NHL it makes much more sense.

 

[Tony2046]

Make no mistake, I'm largely in agreement that the league does not want the Patriots to win for various reasons. Wouldn't surprise me if just Goodell having to think about being on the stage after the SB is over with Brady and BB et al is enough for him and his scummy asshats to want the Patriots out. Their slimy PR driven echo chamber probably doesn't even understand any differently. Same goes with their defiance of Goodell's office. For sure that is something that makes them want to dole out 'the tail doesn't wag the dog' chop chop moves on.
The league's actions leave little doubt in my mind that they are capable of doing anything they believe they can get away with. On the field or off they will wield their administrative power to get what they want. And since they have been able to get away with a lot without tangible ramifications, it is human nature for the limits of their entitled thinking to expand just from a few years ago.

But outcome coaxing probability aside, the argument of 'simple bad officiating - happens to everyone' is going to be believed by many if not most in the absence of metrics to verify the coaxing claim. Just is what it is....

But that game in Denver sure wreaked of something nefarious. Provable? No but damn that looked suspicious.

On top of that we've seen the stats for the Pats with and without Gronk who happens to have an alarming amount of OPI's called on him this year.

But you are correct in that it would be tough to prove.

 

[Tony2046]

Full time refs makes no sense since officials wouldn't have anything to do between Sundays. In MLB, Basketball and NHL it makes much more sense.

Good point. I didn't think of that.

 

[Joey007]

Does anyone have a proposition for a ref crew that would be much better? Seems like every time a thread is started for the refs we will get the following week there's responses stating that THOSE refs are the worst out there.


If all the refs suck, than what's the point of these threads?

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

But that game in Denver sure wreaked of something nefarious. Provable? No but damn that looked suspicious.

On top of that we've seen the stats for the Pats with and without Gronk who happens to have an alarming amount of OPI's called on him this year.

But you are correct in that it would be tough to prove.

Fyi, I agree with your assessment T. I was playing devil's advocate for those, example Kontra, who feel the concerning ref-ing is much more about simple/typical bad ref-ing (as well as possibility of other teams spotlighting things to the refs they think the Patriots should be called on).

 

[Tony2046]

Fyi, I agree with your assessment T. I was playing devil's advocate for those, example Kontra, who feel the concerning ref-ing is much more about simple/typical bad ref-ing (as well as possibility of other teams spotlighting things to the refs they think the Patriots should be called on).

I know. I saw the previous playing the advocate post. And I agree that it would be a very tough thing to prove simply based on stats etc....

I've downloaded all the penalties for each team and there isn't anything to point your finger other than the Gronkowski OPI's. Of course that list doesn't show non calls nor does it show big plays called back.

Uhgggg. Maybe I'm a new member of the tin hat club.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

I know. I saw the previous playing the advocate post. And I agree that it would be a very tough thing to prove simply based on stats etc....

I've downloaded all the penalties for each team and there isn't anything to point your finger other than the Gronkowski OPI's. Of course that list doesn't show non calls nor does it show big plays called back.
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There was a link recently in another thread that listed yards lost to penalties and the Pats led the league...Think about plays called back ( and this was before White lost 70 yards)like Martin's 50 yarder vs Denver and others....

 

[LightSkinSmurf]

Just to be sure Kontra, you are attributing Gronk's big OPI number outlier vs the rest of the league's TEs to the coincidence of oft repeated and very specific/focused bad officiating?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there some other TE tied with gronk or right there with gronk on OPI? I heard this being said on PFW but I never checked myself.

*Edit*

 

[HawaiianPatsfan]

I swear to god, I had a dream (nightmare) 3 nights ago, that we were in the Superbowl and it was the opening drive and we were in the redzone , and we scored 4 times in a row, and they were all called back, all 4 times on BS phantom calls. I am not lying about this.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there some other TE tied with gronk or right there with gronk on OPI? I heard this being said on PFW but I never checked myself.

*Edit*

As a team, the Pats have 10 OPI and lead the league........
Offensive Pass Interference - 2015 - View by Teams - NFL Penalty Stats Tracker - List/Statistics/Data of NFL Penalties - 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

I know. I saw the previous playing the advocate post. And I agree that it would be a very tough thing to prove simply based on stats etc....

I've downloaded all the penalties for each team and there isn't anything to point your finger other than the Gronkowski OPI's. Of course that list doesn't show non calls nor does it show big plays called back.

Uhgggg. Maybe I'm a new member of the tin hat club.

Sorry for assuming you hadn't read several responses back. On the Internet I operate under the assumption important and germane aspects of articles/posts go unread.

Ya know I don't think it is a tin hat thing if we are talking about outcome 'coaxing'. Is it so far fetched to believe that dishonest and unethical powerful people will wield their administrative power to gain outcomes they prefer? If so is it inaccurate to describe Goodell and his gang of swells as dishonest, unethical and powerful?
I believe as Kontra does that the NFL is not engaging in a 1:1 rigging. To put such a plan in place even for these over entitled aholes still would raise alarms in them of the aspects of criminal behavior they are engaging in as well as to threaten profits to a tangible degree if exposed. These guys are operating under the purity of (a) maximize profits (b) entrench and expand their power. The things they will do/push, which will be a lot, are still going to largely fall under these two principles. But these two principles are actually furthered if the Patriots lose. To put the screws to the Patriots is to send a message to others about who is in charge. Keeping the Patriots out of the big prize furthers parody(sic) which is or they believe a way to bigger profits. So again why wouldn't people like this use their sizeable administrative power, power they are free to use without tangible repercussion, to heighten chances they will achieve outcomes that further these two principles. Based on their past behavior it is more tinfoil hat to believe they wouldn't do that.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there some other TE tied with gronk or right there with gronk on OPI? I heard this being said on PFW but I never checked myself.

*Edit*

Thanks for the info smurf. I hadn't looked at the numbers for a couple of weeks. When I had they were more starkly slanted. With more OPI parity by individual being achieved it is either Gronk has corrected some of his behavior while others have gotten worse, the simple wheel of chance for bad ref-ing is finding its landing spot elsewhere, or the refs became aware of the Gronk outlier and got(were notified) itchier trigger fingers for OPI calls elsewhere.
I'd be interested to see if more balanced stats is achieved regarding the number of big plays called back.

I'm not completely dismissive of the entire ref-ing idea being much more a case of each team getting peaks and valleys of bad calls, and the Patriots are hitting or previously hit their peak while others have or will. I'm just also not dismissive of Goodell and Blandino + what their media smear campaign says about them + what their dishonesty says about them + Patriots big plays negated more frequently + main target(Gronk) being dampened at an outlier rate + biggest AFC game of the year with big ramifications displaying atrocious ref-ing against the Patriots = Goodell & Crud using the power of their extensive administrative power to help push in the right direction their desired outcomes.

For me the POs will be telling. It won't be telling because of bad calls per se. Some may favor us, we may even get more than our share, as well as the opposite can/may be true. But selective refereeing materially changing Patriot fortunes at crucial times (something allowed all game now negates a big/important play), to me will be telling. A call of a marginal penalty of the kind happening very frequently but uncalled at a critical time in a PO game is due to a conscious choice to affect the game. A ref knows it is a critical point in the game and knows what has been allowed all game.
Side note: In at least one previous game there was a specific ref that hit us hard. It would be nice to know each name of the crew officiating our game as well as their past calls on us. It will be interesting to see if a trend continues with an individual versus a whole crew...

 

[Tony2046]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there some other TE tied with gronk or right there with gronk on OPI? I heard this being said on PFW but I never checked myself.

*Edit*

This is interesting. I looked at this website after the Denver game and Gronk had the most OPI's (5) at the time. He was also the 8th most penalized player in the NFL at the time. He has not received a penalty since Nov 29th. He did miss a game (or was it two) but curiously his last TD against the Titans had more of a "push off" than what he did in the Denver game.

Maybe they've backed off a little.

 

[DarrylS]

I agree but I also like Quantum's concern about full time officials which is that right now the current officials have professional jobs and therefor are less likely to be influenced but after watching some of these games this year I'm not sure how much water that concern holds.

Changing officiating from a hobby to a profession might be helpful... however you do it, there can be caveats that provide for performance appraisal that would allow whoever is in charge to dismiss incompetency.

At one time it was a short season, now it is practically a year round season... they could hold seminars with rookies at the combine, during mini camps and TC to advise them on the NFL rules.. more of a complimentary role.

NBA and MLB refs have time between seasons..

 

[Tony2046]

Changing officiating from a hobby to a profession might be helpful... however you do it, there can be caveats that provide for performance appraisal that would allow whoever is in charge to dismiss incompetency.

At one time it was a short season, now it is practically a year round season... they could hold seminars with rookies at the combine, during mini camps and TC to advise them on the NFL rules.. more of a complimentary role.

NBA and MLB refs have time between seasons..

Someone mentioned a good point in this thread, I believe, that the NBA/MLB play a lot more games and less days off in between, while the NFL plays mostly on Sundays except for the one game played on Thursday and Monday.

But you do raise some good points and something has to change.

Anyways Merry Christmas to you. I'm a little surprised my kids aren't awake yet. haha

Good time to drink a cup of joe and read a thread or two.

 

[Gumby]

Thanks for the info smurf. I hadn't looked at the numbers for a couple of weeks. When I had they were more starkly slanted. With more OPI parity by individual being achieved it is either Gronk has corrected some of his behavior while others have gotten worse, the simple wheel of chance for bad ref-ing is finding its landing spot elsewhere, or the refs became aware of the Gronk outlier and got(were notified) itchier trigger fingers for OPI calls elsewhere.
...

You missed the Occam's razor (simplest explanation): Gronk was out a game and in the games he 'startted' I think he didnt play the nmbr of snaps he normally might. You dont need to ref against him if he aint there. Others who played normal snap counts pn pther teams may have caught up a bit as a result (or they called a few more on others to cover their tracks).

 

[Gumby]

Changing officiating from a hobby to a profession might be helpful... however you do it, there can be caveats that provide for performance appraisal that would allow whoever is in charge to dismiss incompetency.

At one time it was a short season, now it is practically a year round season... they could hold seminars with rookies at the combine, during mini camps and TC to advise them on the NFL rules.. more of a complimentary role.

NBA and MLB refs have time between seasons..

I saw one proposal that only the referee would be full time, the linesmen and field/back judges still part time. Then the ref is used during the week as part of the quality control process of the others

[ps: sounded good to me. ]