Celtics 2023 - 2024 Discussion

[One-If-By-Sea]

I wouldn’t trade Derrick White for a non top 10 player.

There are very few players I'd trade him for. This kinda says it all: I have more trust in him with the ball than anyone else.

@Real fan 02 wants to trade D White for McDaniels.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Great win. Let's hope Ports calf injury is mild

 

[aluminum seats]

Great win. Let's hope Ports calf injury is mild

I couldn't watch the game, what's the deal? I'm reading it could be Achilles or calf or something else, what the hell?

 

[RobertWeathers]

I couldn't watch the game, what's the deal? I'm reading it could be Achilles or calf or something else, what the hell?

Calf strain. He'll be fine.

 

[Real fan 02]

When we lose in the finals? Your glass is half empty? C'mon dude, be a fan, love the team, and cheer for them to win it all

Be a fan? Lol man u must not know my name. Of course I want my team to win it all. There's not a more optimistic fan on here. I'm just pointing out what I think we could use on the perimeter.. that's all my man!

 

[Real fan 02]

I wouldn’t trade Derrick White for a non top 10 player.

Just a thought nothing to see there lol

 

[Real fan 02]

@Real fan 02 wants to trade D White for McDaniels.

Let's be honest... we're u a fan of D white when we traded for him? Lol...

 

[Real fan 02]

That's a terrible trade.
DWhite is easily the 2nd best player on the C's.
McDaniels is a good player but he is nowhere close to White.

2nd best player?? J brown says what's up! Lol

 

[jimnance]

2nd best player?? J brown says what's up! Lol

No. White is a better player than Brown in almost every category.
I like Brown, very good player but White is the superior player.
Better defensively, better ballhandler, passer,shooter, better decision-maker.
I'm glad we have both.

 

[Real fan 02]

No. White is a better player than Brown in almost every category.
I like Brown, very good player but White is the superior player.
Better defensively, better ballhandler, passer,shooter, better decision-maker.
I'm glad we have both.

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!! Brown is the 2nd best player on the team.. a guy who's the best overall athlete on the team, one of the best 2 way players in the league.. no, no and no again. D White I love but Is the 3rd best player on the team.. Brown brings it.. white is a solid ball handler he's smaller at 6"2.. Brown is 6'7 a physical specimen. Over powers defenders in the paint.... white is no where superior to brown in no way shape, or form. White is a great player taking nothing from him but he ain't on the Js level.

 

[Real fan 02]

2nd best player?? J brown says what's up! Lol

@Zuma He actually said that post seriously lol..

 

[bresna]

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!! Brown is the 2nd best player on the team.. a guy who's the best overall athlete on the team, one of the best 2 way players in the league.. no, no and no again. D White I love but Is the 3rd best player on the team.. Brown brings it.. white is a solid ball handler he's smaller at 6"2.. Brown is 6'7 a physical specimen. Over powers defenders in the paint.... white is no where superior to brown in no way shape, or form. White is a great player taking nothing from him but he ain't on the Js level.

Not taking a side here as I think Brown & White are both great at what they do but I do want to point out that White is 6' 4", not 6' 2".

 

[bresna]

Porzingas' injury history has worried me all season. They need him to go all the way this year. The fact that he was having problems two plays before he limped off, leads me to believe that this is a bigger problem than just a simple strain. His injuries are why so many teams have given up on him over the years and it's why I'm glad the Celtics only gave him a two year contract.

I'd love to know how there were no foul calls on Derrick White's jams in the 3rd period. Both were obvious fouls but these refs just don't call them.

 

[Real fan 02]

Not taking a side here as I think Brown & White are both great at what they do but I do want to point out that White is 6' 4", not 6' 2".

@jimnance we are just having a little fun. He knows it's just all in fun. Your correct white is 6'4 a former first round pick for SA, another excellent move by Stevens. I absolutely love D white great player, but J. Brown is on another level athleticism, his paint presence, Brown is another player that got better each season since he's been in the league. Just my fan assessment.

 

[Real fan 02]

Porzingas' injury history has worried me all season. They need him to go all the way this year. The fact that he was having problems two plays before he limped off, leads me to believe that this is a bigger problem than just a simple strain. His injuries are why so many teams have given up on him over the years and it's why I'm glad the Celtics only gave him a two year contract.

I'd love to know how there were no foul calls on Derrick White's jams in the 3rd period. Both were obvious fouls but these refs just don't call them.

Agreed this was the knock on him his entire career injuries. He is a great player, just needs to stay on the field more. If he's not able to go Wednesday guys will have to step up.. we need to get this series over with and get some time for guys to rest and heal. Yeah the refereeing has always been inconsistent in the NBA.

 

[bresna]

These announcers were idiots when they were talking about Adabayo's BS move on Tatum. Tatum taking a meaningless jumper after the whistle does not give Adabayo the right to foul him. I don't know what the hell these announcers were going on about. They were clearly favoring the Heat throughout the game so I shouldn't have been surprised.

 

[Real fan 02]

Calf strain. He'll be fine.

Same issue has Giannis side lined...

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!! Brown is the 2nd best player on the team.. a guy who's the best overall athlete on the team, one of the best 2 way players in the league.. no, no and no again. D White I love but Is the 3rd best player on the team.. Brown brings it.. white is a solid ball handler he's smaller at 6"2.. Brown is 6'7 a physical specimen. Over powers defenders in the paint.... white is no where superior to brown in no way shape, or form. White is a great player taking nothing from him but he ain't on the Js level.

Got it…Brown is better because he takes more shots and is a better iso player even though he’s worse in every other aspect of the game.

I would argue DWhite > Brown except it seems silly. Porzingis and Holiday are also > Brown.

Brown is basically good if you’re playing NBA Jam. Outside his athleticism which leads to some impressive 2 pointers, there’s nothing there.

White not superior to Brown except large advantages in on ball defense, off ball defense, passing, three point shooting, and free throw shooting.

Final Regular Season Stats

Box Plus Minus

Tatum 5.1
Porzingis 5.1
White 3.8
Horford 3.6
Holiday 2.1
Hauser 1.2
Pritchard 1.0
Brown 0.7

Win Shares / 48 Minutes

Porzingis .226
Tatum .189
Horford .172
White .171
Pritchard .160
Hauser .134
Holiday .133
Brown .122

True Shooting Percentage

Horford .650
Porzingis .647
Hauser .629
White .611
Tatum .604
Holiday .594
Pritchard .594
Brown .580

(Bonus) Free Throw Pct

White .901
Hauser .895
Horford .867
Porzingis .858
Tatum .833
Holiday .833
Pritchard .821
(Gap 1)
(Gap 2)
Brown .703

 

[Real fan 02]

Got it…Brown is better because he takes more shots and is a better iso player even though he’s worse in every other aspect of the game.

I would argue DWhite > Brown except it seems silly. Porzingis and Holiday are also > Brown.

Brown is basically good if you’re playing NBA Jam. Outside his athleticism which leads to some impressive 2 pointers, there’s nothing there.

White not superior to Brown except large advantages in on ball defense, off ball defense, passing, three point shooting, and free throw shooting.

Final Regular Season Stats

Box Plus Minus

Tatum 5.1
Porzingis 5.1
White 3.8
Horford 3.6
Holiday 2.1
Hauser 1.2
Pritchard 1.0
Brown 0.7

Win Shares / 48 Minutes

Porzingis .226
Tatum .189
Horford .172
White .171
Pritchard .160
Hauser .134
Holiday .133
Brown .122

True Shooting Percentage

Horford .650
Porzingis .647
Hauser .629
White .611
Tatum .604
Holiday .594
Pritchard .594
Brown .580

(Bonus) Free Throw Pct

White .901
Hauser .895
Horford .867
Porzingis .858
Tatum .833
Holiday .833
Pritchard .821
(Gap 1)
(Gap 2)
Brown .703

Thanks for the stat line. I appreciate your research. White benefits from the Js.. if they aren't on the court he doesn't get those favorable match ups.. so again I hold firm on what myself and most NBA people oh and Wyc seems to like brown so much he gave him a max contract.

If what you say about my man D White is true let's see if he gets a max deal. He's a good player, playing with 2 of the best perimeter players in the game. Brown needs to work on his free throws more but is a top 10 player in the game.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Same issue has Giannis side lined...

We don't know the severity