Celtics 2023 - 2024 Discussion

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

That’s the point. Your numbers don’t consider that games have different moments (the most important ones) that require a higher caliber of player. You need someone who can make plays, make their own points and play lock down defense. Brown does those things which makes him way more valuable than a lesser player who simply stays out of the way.

Do you realize you’ve identified the team’s exact problem against the best competition? This is the problematic philosophy that’s baked into the two Js DNA and why they’re forcing stupid iso last second misses, and having Tatum dribble the ball off his foot, when they have two of the league’s best playmakers standing in the corners doing nothing. How many times did we see this against the Heat, Warriors, etc in past seasons and glimpses of it whenever they’ve been challenged this season (Denver, Minnesota)?

No, the team needs to move the ball. The team needs to find the open man who takes the high percentage shot. The team needs to run the offense through Derrick White or Jrue Holiday. They do not need triple spin moves and fade-aways from Tatum and Brown. And theoretically Hauser serves the exact same purpose on any possession. He spaces the floor and if his man leaves him open he’s a deadly 3 pt shooter. 1st quarter, 2nd quarter, 3rd quarter, 4th quarter. It’s the same.

 

[rochrist]

Hauser is a great fit with a bunch of other star players when we are up 20 points at home and things are cruising and all he has to do is mostly stay out of the way and launch a three when it comes to him.

What use is he to us in the fourth quarter during a close game? He can’t drive to the rim, he doesn’t have a mid-range, he doesn’t draw any fouls, he doesn’t have the high energy defense to lockdown top scorers on the other team.

That’s the point. Your numbers don’t consider that games have different moments (the most important ones) that require a higher caliber of player. You need someone who can make plays, make their own points and play lock down defense. Brown does those things which makes him way more valuable than a lesser player who simply stays out of the way.

You're wasting your breath. It would require actually watching and understanding the game to get this.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Without commenting on the merits one way or the other, a couple thoughts on this Jaylen Brown thing (that's tearing us apart!):

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

You're wasting your breath. It would require actually watching and understanding the game to get this.

Yeah, you’re a genius. Remember when you spent four years saying the same thing defending every Belichick move, with nothing specific to back it up, and called everyone “idiot” “moron” etc and disliking every post? I remember that. You’re a Dunning Kruger poster child. I don’t mind going back and forth with Kdo, at least he has an IQ over 60.

 

[rochrist]

Yeah, you’re a genius. Remember when you spent four years saying the same thing defending every Belichick move, with nothing specific to back it up, and called everyone “idiot” “moron” etc and disliking every post? I remember that. You’re a Dunning Kruger poster child. I don’t mind going back and forth with Kdo, at least he had an IQ over 60.

Unlike yourself?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Unlike yourself?

Are you capable of writing a post greater than 10 words? I don’t think I’ve ever seen one with any actual content. I see why you use the Dislike and Ugh buttons. They’re easy to press like a children’s Simon Says toy.

 

[rochrist]

Are you capable of writing a post greater than 10 words? I don’t think I’ve ever seen one with any actual content. I see why you use the Dislike and Ugh buttons. They’re easy to press like a children’s Simon Says toy.

Unlike you, I don't have verbal diarrhea. I also don't generally enjoy arguing with idiots. There isn't any point. You're clearly obsessed with Brown, or maybe you're just so embarrassed about how his play has made your hawt take look that you just can't stop yourself from doubling down.. Again and again and again. I'll guarantee you this much; there is not a single coach or assistant in the NBA who would play Hauser over Brown. Not one. Because any one of them who did would pretty quickly find themselves out of the league.

You'd do very well on Felger and Maz though, I'll give you that.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Jesus imagine how useless Hauser would be starting, in a competitive game, trying to play when the team isn’t up 20 and without all that help from all stars giving him wide open shots.

 

[Kdo5]

Jesus imagine how useless Hauser would be starting, in a competitive game, trying to play when the team isn’t up 20 and without all that help from all stars giving him wide open shots.

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7/8 three pointers. In other words 21 of his 23 points are threes.

And his 30 the other day were pretty much entirely three pointers as well. Is Sam Hauser going to be shooting insanely well against good defenses in the playoffs? I hope so that would be nice to have off the bench.

It’s the Bulls, another mediocre-bad team. Putting up 30 & 23 (all three pointers) against the last ranked defense and the 19th ranked defense doesn’t do much for me.

I’m a fair guy though so I’ll say the record, Hauser is definitely a nice bench piece and solid contributor. I like him.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I am not as basketball knowledgeable as some of you, but it appeared as though without Brown against the Bulls, the defense was definitely weaker. Without Jrue and Brown there is a noticeable defensive drop off. Not sure we win the title without a top D. We need Brown and Jrue back.

 

[Kdo5]

I am not as basketball knowledgeable as some of you, but it appeared as though without Brown against the Bulls, the defense was definitely weaker. Without Jrue and Brown there is a noticeable defensive drop off. Not sure we win the title without a top D. We need Brown and Jrue back.

Agreed on both counts. I respect the efforts of PP and Hauser but the defensive drop off is real. Brown and Jrue can take on elite offensive players especially in crunch time.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Agreed on both counts. I respect the efforts of PP and Hauser but the defensive drop off is real. Brown and Jrue can take on elite offensive players especially in crunch time.

DeRozan (sp?) is 6'6" and almost 35. It looked like he could get any shot he wanted. He was 12 for 19 with 28 points and it looked like he was shooting uncontested shots all night. Never win a championship with that D. If DeRozan is scoring 30, Jokic would score 50 or 60 every game.

 

[jimnance]

Agreed on both counts. I respect the efforts of PP and Hauser but the defensive drop off is real. Brown and Jrue can take on elite offensive players especially in crunch time.

Pritchard is a solid defender. But he is 6'1". So getting caught in a switch with a 6'6" guy can be a problem.
Jrue is simply the best perimeter defender in the nba. He can guard almost anyone on the floor, any size.
Jaylen is not the same class of defender as Jrue ( but who is besides DWhite?), but Brown is a very good defender. Tatum is even better. Having all 4 of those guys on the floor at the same time is what makes the C's defense one of the very best in the nba.
All 4 can guard anybody, so while it's preferable to fight through a pick and stick with your man, it's not always possible. Gives the C's a huge advantage as very few teams have that capability.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I am not as basketball knowledgeable as some of you, but it appeared as though without Brown against the Bulls, the defense was definitely weaker. Without Jrue and Brown there is a noticeable defensive drop off. Not sure we win the title without a top D. We need Brown and Jrue back.

KP, Jrue, and Brown all out. Back to back road game. Bulls still only scored their average.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

KP, Jrue, and Brown all out. Back to back road game.

Understood. And the defense suffered with Horford, Hauser, and Pritchard all in place of them.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

7/8 three pointers. In other words 21 of his 23 points are threes.

You realize that’s nearly perfect efficiency right? The team only gets a finite amount of possessions/shots. Maximizing most points on fewest shots is the basketball version of moneyball and has been the league’s golden rule since the mid 2010s. This is why a midrange/2 pt specialist might be really impressive in the eye test but not on the total net scoring effort.

And his 30 the other day were pretty much entirely three pointers as well. Is Sam Hauser going to be shooting insanely well against good defenses in the playoffs? I hope so that would be nice to have off the bench.

He’s shooting 44%. Why wouldn’t he? Did you happen to see the Heat beat us in recent years with 3 pt sharpshooting ball movement specialists? They’re basically Butler, Bam, and a bunch of Sam Hausers. Warriors?

It’s the Bulls, another mediocre-bad team. Putting up 30 & 23 (all three pointers) against the last ranked defense and the 19th ranked defense doesn’t do much for me.

Nice spin. Celtics 8-0 now without Brown. This was also without KP and Holiday, playing back to back road game against a ~.500 team. And winning by 11 points.

I’m a fair guy though so I’ll say the record, Hauser is definitely a nice bench piece and solid contributor. I like him.

You’re not a fair guy. That’s clear.

 

[BTTA]

The thing I most appreciate about Brown is the human being he's become. Rather than go celebrity pop culture with his $250M, he's a very thoughtful, reflective guy with a passion for bigger things than basketball. That's really hard to do, very few of the most highly paid athletes have done it.

On the basketball side, his improvement in terms of integrating his game into the flow of the offense has been remarkable.

This team is an absolute joy to watch now. I had good seats in DC for the Wizards game, and it was amazing to see. When Tatum is on the court against teams like that, he's like a man among boys. And I remember playing against guys like Pritchard and grudgingly admiring them while also wanting to slug them.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

The thing I most appreciate about Brown is the human being he's become. Rather than go celebrity pop culture with his $250M, he's a very thoughtful, reflective guy with a passion for bigger things than basketball. That's really hard to do, very few of the most highly paid athletes have done it.

I read an article ( can't find the link- nvm- here it is Jaylen Brown: The 2016 NBA draft’s Renaissance man ) that the cerebralness is what turned some teams off, thinking he wasn't fully invested in basketball...

 

[jimnance]

Pritchard is the most important Celtic tonight. White and Jrue both out.
Celtics blew a 30b point lead.
A lot of that happened with Pritchard on the bench.
You must have a decent point guard on the floor..
Some people think you can go positionless bball. No you CAN'T.
When things start going bad ONLY
a decent point guard will settle the team down. Get you into good plays.
Sorry but Tatum ain't doing that. Brown ain't doing that. Porzingis ain't doing that. Good as all 3 are. And there good. You need Holliday, White or Pritchard to do that.
I've been singing Joe's praises lately but he's sucked so far tonight.
Leave Pritchard in the game . All game. C's ain't winning w/o him.

 

[jimnance]

Tatum Brown Porzingis and Mazulla.
C's lost because of those 4.
Tatum Brown and Porzingis killed us with horrible turnovers and too much one on one stupid basketball.
I'm pissed off right now.