Cap space

[Ring 6]

Cap number for 2025 should be:

$5.5M signing bonus amortization
$5M salary
$225K workout bonus
$975K roster bonus (likely to be earned - another $300K considered unliekly)
$2M playtime incentive (likely less because tied to game played and he only played 13/17 last year but I can't decipher from this).

Cap number of $13.7M. Again, likely less because some of that playtime is not likely to be earned I'm pretty sure.



Assuming there are no void years, that $24M signing bonus would count $6M on the cap this year and be paid upfront. If the year 1 cash is $32M then that means $8M more in salary/bonuses that would count this year. So off of that, it looks like his cap number is $14M for 2025.



So for combined $46M AAV on these two, cap hit is probably more like $27.7M.

Over the cap had David at 11.7 and Williams at 14.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

Over the cap had David at 11.7 and Williams at 14.

They’re probably assuming that all of Davis’ $2M play time incentives are unlikely to be earned based on him playing 13/17 games last year. I was including them hence my number being $2M higher.

Unless I missed a report, haven’t seen the specifics on those. It’s possibly the truth is somewhere in the middle, like maybe he gets $500K for 50% and then another $500K for 75%, $500K for 85%, $500K for 95%, just making up numbers. In that case, probably $500K would be classified as “likely” based on last year and OTC had to had it to their numbers (and I’d have to subtract the $1.5M unlikely to be earned from mine).

 

[Ring 6]

They’re probably assuming that all of Davis’ $2M play time incentives are unlikely to be earned based on him playing 13/17 games last year. I was including them hence my number being $2M higher.

Unless I missed a report, haven’t seen the specifics on those. It’s possibly the truth is somewhere in the middle, like maybe he gets $500K for 50% and then another $500K for 75%, $500K for 85%, $500K for 95%, just making up numbers. In that case, probably $500K would be classified as “likely” based on last year and OTC had to had it to their numbers (and I’d have to subtract the $1.5M unlikely to be earned from mine).

When over the cap puts it up its usually been checked out.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

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OTC has us with $93.25M in cap space left. They have numbers up for Williams, Davis, Hooper, Hollins & Dobbs. They're not including Landry, Spillane or Moses yet. Based off numbers Mike Reiss reported it looks like Spillane's cap hit will be something between $7.5M and $9M, depending on how much of his $1.5M in incentives is likely to be earned based on last year. So they have between $84.25M and $85.75M left of cap space most likely.

I haven't seen anything on Moses or Landry yet, but their AAVs are $8M and $14.5M, respectively. Cap hits are, in all likelihood, less than that for year 1 of the 3 year deals - probably by a fair amount too. But if you just go by AAV that brings them down to between $61.75M and $63.25M. Again, that's overly conservative because no way the cap hits on Moses/Landry equal the AAV.

Will be interesting to see how much of that they spend vs. how much they roll over. I'm sure, with still a lot of work to be done at the top of the roster, they'd like to pack away some cap space for next year so they can enter the offseason with globs of it again and operate at the top of the market like they did this year. However, they still have some pretty glaring holes and they should be making sure they at least have some respectability. Preliminary research looks to me like we should be among the league leaders in cap space again next year.

Right now OTC has us with $84.74M in cap space for NEXT year, but obviously that's variable at this time. It also does NOT include anything we rolled over or the settlement of incentives earned or not earned this season relative to if they counted on the cap or not. Also, only 37 out of the 51 roster spots that count are accounted for right now. Also still need to add Spillane/Landry/Moses cap numbers to that (which will be bigger than year 1) and we have this year's draft class as well as next year's to account for. Next year they can save:

$17.5M by cutting Onwenu
$8M by cutting Dugger ($12.5M if designated June 1st)
$4.3M by cutting Barmore ($11.5M if designated post June 1st) (only an option to discuss in case his health doesn't come back)
$8.5M by cutting Henry
$6.5M by cutting Bourne
$5.25M by cutting Peppers ($6.75M if designated post June 1st)
$4.0M by cutting Jennings
$3.5M by cutting Gibson
$3.9M by cutting Hollins
$3.7M by cutting Dobbs

So there's plenty or avenues to create cap space to accommodate better players if they need space. We should be able to spend at the top of the market next year even without rolling over much cap space, so they have every incentive to at least throw somethin against the wall at their remaining need areas (LT, IOL, FS, WR, more EDGE depth).

 

[WhatJustHappened]

I just hope they don't roll over 40-50m again, there are still players to be had, and we'll see cuts tomorrow.

BTW, Thanks for the work.

 

[1960Pats]

8-9 win team with the #4 pick, 2 3rds and 60 mill in cap space, with 8 terrible football teams on next years schedule.

It’s happening.

Teams have shown that they can turn things around quickly in the NYFL. The 2001 Pats are a great example.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Teams have shown that they can turn things around quickly in the NYFL. The 2001 Pats are a great example.

2024 Washington too

 

[Ross12]

I just hope they don't roll over 40-50m again, there are still players to be had, and we'll see cuts tomorrow.

BTW, Thanks for the work.

I am guessing they roll $30-40M over into next year, because there are not enough good players left who will command sizeable contracts with big first year hits. That will let them be near the top of the cap space market again in 2026, permitting another infusion of free agent talent, which (hopefully) will be even easier as the Pats would have established themselves as a solid team in 2025 via their performance and not bottom-of-the-barrel anymore.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I am guessing they roll $30-40M over into next year, because there are not enough good players left who will command sizeable contracts with big first year hits. That will let them be near the top of the cap space market again in 2026, permitting another infusion of free agent talent, which (hopefully) will be even easier as the Pats would have established themselves as a solid team in 2025 via their performance and not bottom-of-the-barrel anymore.

Agree. While they have paid at the top/near the top of the market they have spent it on quality players and people. I don't think they are "spending just to spend" which is why they aren't pulling the trigger on LT.

Overall they are being responsible and if no one else is available that justifies the spend, they'll roll the $ over to 2026 and spend another day.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Strange, otc has us back at 100 m now with the same additions listed on the roster as yesterday when it was 93 m (all but landry, spillane,moses).

 

[Zuma]

 

[Hugepatsfan]

I'm guessing the adjustments are for unearned incentives because everyone on the team sucked ass last year?

I wonder if that explains OTC's jump from the numbers I pulled last night. I didn't foot there table or make note of what they had as their adjusted cap number so I can't really check.

Will be interesting to check back in on the cap space this year and next when they input the last 3 deals. Like I mentioned, I definitely think they want to position themselves to be a cap space leader again next year so they can add another "Milton Williams" from next year's class.

 

[PromisedLand]

I was about to make this thread to try to keep track of everything. We started at 125M in cap space. We need something like 15M for the draft/Emergency fund/practice squad. So we have 110M to spend.

Landry DE - 3 yr 48M 28 G (call it 15M this year)
Williams DT - 4 yr 104M (call it 25M this year)
Spillane LB - 3 yr 37.5M 20G (call it 12M this year)
Morgan OT - 3 year 24M <up to 28.5> (call it 8M this year)
Davis CB - 3 year 60M 34.5G (call it 19M this year)
Hooper TE - 1 year 5M <up to 7> (call it 5M this year)
Dobbs QB - 2 year 8M 3.8G (call it 3.5M this year)
Tonga DT - 1 year 2.7M

Add all that up based on my guesses and you get about85M spent... but it could be lower by a good amount too. Also please correct any errors i made or if updated info comes.

So we have between 25M-45M depending on how back loaded we are going. Though some seem to think these are much more back loaded at 60M and these numbers to not project any cuts made.

Thanks, this is exactly the information I came to the board just now hoping to find.

 

[MrTibbs]

Salary Cap Track

Shows Pats at $81.2M in cap space. Which one of these amounts is correct?

 

[Hugepatsfan]

Salary Cap Track

Shows Pats at $81.2M in cap space. Which one of these amounts is correct?

Well, neither is right because OTC isn't including Spillane/Moses/Landry nor cutting Andrews yet and Spotract isn't including Moses/Landry (they have a number in there for Spillane and factored in Andrews).

I don't think you should use the $81.2M cap space number though because that includes more than just the top 51. The $94.6M top 51 column is what to use.

It's about $4.8M lower than OTC because they added $7.5M cap number for Spillane in there. OTC is holding off because there's an additional $1.5M in incentives that would count if classified as likely to be earned, so Spotrac could need to update once details on that are released. That $7.5M is offset by OTC not factoring in $2.7M of savings from cutting Andrews yet.

That gets you to basically the same spot on both sites.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Either way, we have a **** ton left we can spend. Could probably have a day similar to monday and still be carrying over like 40m

 

[Hugepatsfan]

Either way, we have a **** ton left we can spend. Could probably have a day similar to monday and still be carrying over like 40m

At this point it's more an issue of availability of players than availability of funds. They committed a lot of money on Monday and I don't think you'd get good deals spending that much now. Still good players to be had but we're getting down to a point where big deals for the guys left just aren't smart.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

At this point it's more an issue of availability of players than availability of funds. They committed a lot of money on Monday and I don't think you'd get good deals spending that much now. Still good players to be had but we're getting down to a point where big deals for the guys left just aren't smart.

Yeah thats the problem, im having trouble seeing where theyd even spend alot of it with whats out there other than a trade for a wr.

Cam Robinson and kupp as rumored. Jenkins or bechton if he can slide to lg seems like a wise spend. Ojulari or another edge rusher may be worth a look? After that it’s hard to see that much on the free agent side.

 

[rkarp1]

I believe the update is as of today (Andrews listed under dead cap)
$94m available

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/cap/_/year/2025

 

[MrTibbs]

Sheesh, looking over the average age of Patriots players shows they really need to start hitting in the draft. Without knowing for a fact the Pats must have one of the oldest rosters in the NFL this upcoming season.