Cap grievances

[patsinthesnow]

Pats stand to gain 9 million in cap from AB & 3.25 from the prisoner. Anyone have more info or thinks they win them?

 

[Sciz]

Hernandez should be pretty straight forward. Forget the murders, the gun possession alone was a 4-5 year sentence and was being committed prior to his extension.

 

[Froob]

Wait what? How is this Aaron Hernandez grievance still pending lol?

 

[Pape]

Wait what? How is this Aaron Hernandez grievance still pending lol?

after he committed suicide, a judge in Mass voided (not sure that is the proper legal term) his conviction because he hadn't exhausted all appeals ... after that bone headed decision, the law suits over his "guaranteed" pay were re-filed by his estate ... guess they have been lingering in the Mass court system since 2017

 

[Froob]

after he committed suicide, a judge in Mass voided (not sure that is the proper legal term) his conviction because he hadn't exhausted all appeals ... after that bone headed decision, the law suits over his "guaranteed" pay were re-filed by his estate ... guess they have been lingering in the Mass court system since 2017

Huh, bizarre. Who is that money even owed to? I wouldn't mind if his daughter got to keep it (he has a kid, doesn't he?).

 

[Froob]

Is there still hope of getting the AB money? It sounded like a done deal that he was going to win. In which case, I don't understand why the contract was even approved in the first place.

 

[Pape]

Huh, bizarre. Who is that money even owed to? I wouldn't mind if his daughter got to keep it (he has a kid, doesn't he?).

Iirc, it is filed by the trust portion of his estate, so his wife and daughter would be the most likely beneficiaries

 

[skinnydog]

after he committed suicide, a judge in Mass voided (not sure that is the proper legal term) his conviction because he hadn't exhausted all appeals ... after that bone headed decision, the law suits over his "guaranteed" pay were re-filed by his estate ... guess they have been lingering in the Mass court system since 2017

I think it's more of a crazy Mass. law than a crazy Mass. Judge.

 

[Hyped]

I think we lost the AB cap space....the NFLPA will fight that one tooth and nail....

As for the Hernandez one...not sure...

But it is interesting that the CBA renewal looms large over these....might work out in our favor (fingers crossed). Side note: I'd rather Kraft write a check to the Hernandez estate to have the lawsuit dropped to keep that money off the cap....

 

[Pape]

I think it's more of a crazy Mass. law than a crazy Mass. Judge.

checking into it, I see that the conviction nullification was overturned, and was reinstated
Aaron Hernandez's murder conviction reinstated by high court - CNN

at this point, I am completely unsure if there is any relief for the accelerated salary cap hits the Pats took in 2013 and 2014 after they released him ... tried to find any information on it, but am coming up with nothing except whats in that twitter thread ... if the Pats win, and they should, we get 3.25 million in desperately needed cap adjustment

 

[Pape]

I think we lost the AB cap space....the NFLPA will fight that one tooth and nail....

As for the Hernandez one...not sure...

But it is interesting that the CBA renewal looms large over these....might work out in our favor (fingers crossed). Side note: I'd rather Kraft write a check to the Hernandez estate to have the lawsuit dropped to keep that money off the cap....

I think the Pats have a pretty good argument for 4 of the 9 million of the signing bonus ... the signing bonus was structured for two payments, september and january ... like an inducement for good behavior while on the team... if an arbitrator buys that argument, maybe the AB hit won't be that bad. Maybe... but when has that ever worked out for the Pats

 

[XLIX]

Huh, bizarre. Who is that money even owed to? I wouldn't mind if his daughter got to keep it (he has a kid, doesn't he?).

If memory serves he was engaged but not married. As such, and assuming there was no will, his children would split the estate after all debts are paid. Of course, this is the sort of situation where if the Hernandez estate did get the money, his lawyer would all of a sudden find $3 million in unpaid legal fees.....

 

[XLIX]

Hernandez should be pretty straight forward. Forget the murders, the gun possession alone was a 4-5 year sentence and was being committed prior to his extension.

The timing of when they cut him makes it a very interesting situation. Fact is Hernandez hadn't missed a single practice, game, or any sort of mandatory team event when they cut him. Can you cut a player (and withhold payment) based on things that are yet to happen? I guess we'll find out.

 

[XLIX]

I think the Pats have a pretty good argument for 4 of the 9 million of the signing bonus ... the signing bonus was structured for two payments, september and january ... like an inducement for good behavior while on the team... if an arbitrator buys that argument, maybe the AB hit won't be that bad. Maybe... but when has that ever worked out for the Pats

If you want to give someone an inducement to behave, you give roster bonuses, not signing bonuses. I can see this decision going either way because I think each side has a strong case, but my prediction is AB wins.

 

[Pape]

If you want to give someone an inducement to behave, you give roster bonuses, not signing bonuses. I can see this decision going either way because I think each side has a strong case, but my prediction is AB wins.

i wouldn't argue with you over that conclusion ... just trying to be op-toe-mist-ick

 

[jah]

If you want to give someone an inducement to behave, you give roster bonuses, not signing bonuses. I can see this decision going either way because I think each side has a strong case, but my prediction is AB wins.

Pretty much this. It seems like some ****ed up corporate "have my cake and eat it too" logic to think there's any condition upon which guaranteed compensation doesn't have to be paid out. Maybe don't promise a crazy guy a ton of money up front?

 

[QuantumMechanic]

The timing of when they cut him makes it a very interesting situation. Fact is Hernandez hadn't missed a single practice, game, or any sort of mandatory team event when they cut him. Can you cut a player (and withhold payment) based on things that are yet to happen? I guess we'll find out.

IIRC Hernandez's latest contract had a condition where he represented to the team he hadn't done various negative things while an employee of the Patriots. Turned out that at least one of his crimes happened while he was an employee of the Patriots, so that's the hook NE is using to try to avoid paying the money.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Pretty much this. It seems like some ****ed up corporate "have my cake and eat it too" logic to think there's any condition upon which guaranteed compensation doesn't have to be paid out. Maybe don't promise a crazy guy a ton of money up front?

If the contract has a clause that says "this contract self-destructs if Brown A does X while under contract or falsely represented at the time of signing that he hadn't previously done X" and it turns out Brown did in fact do X, perhaps both before and after signing, I don't see that as remotely "have my cake and eat it, too". If anyone is trying to have their cake and eat it too it is Brown, not NE.

The question is if the CBA allows the self-destruct clause to be enforced which is of course what the grievance is about.

 

[jah]

If the contract has a clause that says "this contract self-destructs if Brown A does X while under contract or falsely represented at the time of signing that he hadn't previously done X" and it turns out Brown did in fact do X, perhaps both before and after signing, I don't see that as remotely "have my cake and eat it, too". If anyone is trying to have their cake and eat it too it is Brown, not NE.

The question is if the CBA allows the self-destruct clause to be enforced which is of course what the grievance is about.

I'm guessing if such a clause existed, you'd probably know and be speaking in absolutes about it. I think they may have genuinely just thrown a bunch of money at him without considering the consequences.

 

[rochrist]

Pats stand to gain 9 million in cap from AB & 3.25 from the prisoner. Anyone have more info or thinks they win them?

They won't.