Butler thinking about a new agent?

[jimnance]

Who cares about Rowe if Sherman is available.

Sherman is sticky.

I think these threads are getting sticky.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Clearly the Feinstein & Forlizzi approach to closing lucrative NFL contracts is not working....

Or, is agent thinking about a new Butler?

 

[Biffins]

Desmond Truffant just got 5 yr $69m and $42m guaranteed. That won't help us in holding on to Butler. Or maybe this deserves a new thread.

 

[luuked]

"Cheaper" is TBD.

We don't know what SEA means by "high picks". If they want 1st rounder then they can go fly a kite. If its a 2nd or a mix of 3rd and 4th rounders then that might be more reasonable.

2/$22m for an elite CB is a good deal.

The Sherman theater is a factor but clearly he is not happy at SEA.

We also have no idea how far apart the team and Malcolm are. If the rumors are true he wants $12-$13m AAV and $25m guaranteed then he is not cheaper than Sherman. He is more expensive.

People are hung up on Sherman because he represents an elite CB replacement if Malcolm and the team cannot come to terms. He is also an upgrade over Malcolm.

I'd be stunned if the Seahawks would settle for anything less than a first round pick (if not more), given how friendly Sherman's contract looks for the next two years in the age of 170m salary caps and for a player at a premium, scarce position.


For some reason Curran gets a bad rep from various people here even though he might be the best beat writer with the most inside view next to Reiss that the Patriots have. He said (and Howe independently corroborated that on a podcast) that Butler wants to be paid like a top 10 corner which puts him in the neighborhood of what you are saying somewhere around 10.5-12m.

Now, while its true that you might get Sherman at the same price as Butler the question is whether you want to look beyond those 2 years. Sherman will be 31 after that contract runs out, while Butler will still be in his prime at 29. Who of the two will age more gracefully I am not sure but what I know is that given the talent in the secondary I don't think the dropoff from Butler to Sherman is worth the equivalent of a potential impact player for 4 years on rookie contract. In fact I'd argue that after last year there is a question mark on Sherman that he needs to prove wrong, before I am willing to say that he would be an upgrade over Butler. Especially when draft picks are involved.

Anyway, all of this is purely academic because none of it will happen.. in fact who knows if Butler is on the team in a few days.

 

[luuked]

Desmond Truffant just got 5 yr $69m and $42m guaranteed. That won't help us in holding on to Butler. Or maybe this deserves a new thread.

When the Gilmore plan was executed signing Butler turned to not be a priority for this team anymore. In the context of Malcolm it doesn't matter where the market goes because he will be gone after next year (or a year later if situation requires to franchise him for whatever reason).

 

[luuked]

Heard this from people when Pats let Talib walk and got Revis.

Sherman isn't in decline and would be an Amendola restructure/cut away from not affecting this year's cap.

Butler+Amendola right now $11.6m cap hit
Sherman $11.4m

Different budgets. Amendola's presence on the roster has no impact on any player on the defense. We are not one of those teams that constantly needs to juggle signing bonuses and salaries to afford players.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I'd be stunned if the Seahawks would settle for anything less than a first round pick (if not more), given how friendly Sherman's contract looks for the next two years in the age of 170m salary caps and for a player at a premium, scarce position.


For some reason Curran gets a bad rep from various people here even though he might be the best beat writer with the most inside view next to Reiss that the Patriots have. He said (and Howe independently corroborated that on a podcast) that Butler wants to be paid like a top 10 corner which puts him in the neighborhood of what you are saying somewhere around 10.5-12m.

Now, while its true that you might get Sherman at the same price as Butler the question is whether you want to look beyond those 2 years. Sherman will be 31 after that contract runs out, while Butler will still be in his prime at 29. Who of the two will age more gracefully I am not sure but what I know is that given the talent in the secondary I don't think the dropoff from Butler to Sherman is worth the equivalent of a potential impact player for 4 years on rookie contract. In fact I'd argue that after last year there is a question mark on Sherman that he needs to prove wrong, before I am willing to say that he would be an upgrade over Butler. Especially when draft picks are involved.

Anyway, all of this is purely academic because none of it will happen.. in fact who knows if Butler is on the team in a few days.

I agree. Malcolm for 4 years is better than 2 for Sherm even if Sherm is a better player.

I think Malcolm is deserving of top 10 money but not top 5. There might not be much of a difference anymore

 

[DarrylS]

Moral of this story, if you have upwards of $30,000,000 million dollars on the table you do not just hire a "guy" to negotiate with billionaires.. also probably do not hire a guy who tries to embarrass your employer either.

 

[luuked]

Moral of this story, if you have upwards of $30,000,000 million dollars on the table you do not just hire a "guy" to negotiate with billionaires.. also probably do not hire a guy who tries to embarrass your employer either.

Quite honestly I don't understand why Butler doesn't follow what Curran, Mayo and other people in the Patriots orbit have suggested and just plays out his RFA tender but takes out insurance in case he gets injured.

Another Ex-Pats podcast listener correct me but I think Mayo said that around 200k insure him for about 20-25m with all of that being tax-free. Play your ass off without any injury concerns on your mind and then cash out as UFA next year.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Note the Tax Free above. Equal to ~ $50 million payout.
Play 2017 at the tender, then cash out with the Pats or more likely a high bidder. Your option. Carefree.
Malcom Go!

 

[Froob]

We know who he should call.

Butler: I just can't get Bill to pay up Saul...

Saul: Well...how about we send him on a trip to Belize?

 

[oldrover]

You mean he's switching from the personal injury lawyer? What's he thinking?

 

[Galeb]

Sherman can't cover me.......or you.....get it?

 

[Raymond]

Quite honestly I don't understand why Butler doesn't follow what Curran, Mayo and other people in the Patriots orbit have suggested and just plays out his RFA tender but takes out insurance in case he gets injured.

Another Ex-Pats podcast listener correct me but I think Mayo said that around 200k insure him for about 20-25m with all of that being tax-free. Play your ass off without any injury concerns on your mind and then cash out as UFA next year.

That seems incredibly reasonable as a cost/ value. If those numbers are accurate, one would think nearly every player in the NFL would have these policies locked up.

 

[luuked]

That seems incredibly reasonable as a cost/ value. If those numbers are accurate, one would think nearly every player in the NFL would have these policies locked up.

Beats me why not more do it.

Here is the episode:

audioBoom / 25: Jerod Mayo with some advice for Malcolm Butler

Curran also wrote about it:

Curran: Patriots shouldn't bend an inch on Butler compensation

He has kinda similar numbers.

 

[Raymond]

Beats me why not more do it.

Here is the episode:

audioBoom / 25: Jerod Mayo with some advice for Malcolm Butler

Curran also wrote about it:

Curran: Patriots shouldn't bend an inch on Butler compensation

He has kinda similar numbers.

Interesting Tom C. piece I had not read. It's 3 weeks old now. Butler I believe has not been professionally represented.

Which leads to another point, and that’s the notion that Butler is getting mercilessly hosed here.


Enough. This isn’t coal mining. Nobody needs to go all Norma Rae on Butler’s behalf.

 

[DarrylS]

Quite honestly I don't understand why Butler doesn't follow what Curran, Mayo and other people in the Patriots orbit have suggested and just plays out his RFA tender but takes out insurance in case he gets injured.

Another Ex-Pats podcast listener correct me but I think Mayo said that around 200k insure him for about 20-25m with all of that being tax-free. Play your ass off without any injury concerns on your mind and then cash out as UFA next year.

Couple of weeks ago Toucher and Rich had on an insurance agent who does this sort of thing, and he also claimed that a $20 million dollar policy such as this costs about $200K, makes perfect sense to me.. but not sure what goes on in the mind of Butler.

Seems as though Butler's agent is fueling the fire that he can just skip the RFA tender and move on to a big contract..

 

[luuked]

Seems as though Butler's agent is fueling the fire that he can just skip the RFA tender and move on to a big contract..

I think Curran formulated it very well recently on Quick Slants (the podcast): His agent is doing what Malcom wants him to and not what would be the right thing to do in general. Butler definitely needs a more experienced agent.

 

[sambam94]

That seems incredibly reasonable as a cost/ value. If those numbers are accurate, one would think nearly every player in the NFL would have these policies locked up.

Isn't that insurance against a career ending injury though? Most injuries are not career ending, but any injury would significantly impact his next contract.

 

[luuked]

Isn't that insurance against a career ending injury though? Most injuries are not career ending, but any injury would significantly impact his next contract.

It is whatever he wants it to be and how much money he is open to spend.

Also, no, not every injury will affect his next contract. Only serious ones which is exactly what those insurances target.