But It's Not Mac's Fault....

[chasa]

the only thing more insufferable then watching this patriots team, is having to endure thread after thread about how mac sucks and that he is the only issue.

 

[vicspats]

every QB makes **** throws and **** decisions...but it is compounded to the Nth degree when the head coach and GM picks skill position players who wouldn't come close to starting on another NFL team. Put Mac Jones on the Redskins with Dotson and Mclaurin and it's a different story

Honestly ? Put Mac in Cincinnati and I think he’d still suck … his arm is weak. I’m seeing more and more every week that he’s a coward. The floating ball he throws off his back foot solidifies it for me.

 

[pats99]

I get this completely. It's beginning to sound a little rote, weirdly scripted or something. I think the guy is really shot at this point. Imagine having a single dream in life - becoming a starting NFL qb - then running into the past couple years' ****show. That'll screw you up. I feel sorry for Mac, which I guess makes it hard for me to join in criticizing him beyond a certain point. It feels like kicking a guy when he's down.

Yep, I do think he is doing everything he can but kind of coming up short time and time again. These players get paid a lot of money and that comes along with a lot of expectations, not for the faint of heart, thats for sure.

 

[vicspats]

I watch a lot of the Bengals because I'm in Cincinnati. Friends often gather to watch, so I see Burrow often. While we shouldn't expect Brady, Burrow is a realistic bar that we can strive for, even just something close.

And watching Burrow shows a lot of differences. Even when Chase was out, Burrow's confidence is way beyond Mac's. He has that little bit of delusion that you need in a QB that he can make the throws the team needs.

Mac is nowhere close. He had some confidence it seemed in that first year, but it ain't there anymore. And it's far too noticeable.

Totally agree .. Burrows had the swagger already in college. He’s definitely grown since coming to the NFL. Plus the fact that this kid got ROCKED his first two years with sacks … he hasn’t regressed at all.

 

[vicspats]

Sometimes a simple change in the manner in which a matter is discussed tidies things up wonderfully. The discussion here of Bill requires only reasonable attention to tense. Watch:


1) Bill was a great coach for many years, a thing worthy of celebration and admiration.

2) Bill is a failing head coach and a failed GM, facts worthy of his being relieved of his GM job and afforded at most one more year to show what he can do as HC once he is relieved of the burdens of being GM. That is the best the team can offer in the circumstances. I fully understand this is an offer Bill is likely to decline: so it goes. We must be prepared to move on, an approach, it must be said, which offers, as any clean sweep does, very significant advantages over retaining Bill in any capacity.

You know… there will be that day. When we flip the tv on or check out this site … and Billy will be gone. I personally will mark that day with reverence …

 

[vicspats]

In a nutshell Mac throws late.

And throws a fat ball..

 

[Boomer B]

Joke of a thread.

Mac isn’t our QB of the future. This is true, but what also is true is that we have the worst WR core in the league. We have no one except a rookie who looks like he may be a good player. We haven’t drafted an above average skill position player in well over a decade.

Our o-line, while playing decent the last few games, needs an upgrade and needs depth.

Our drafts have been bad to mediocre the last decade. Our roster is barren of great talent.

It all falls on Belichick. He drafted these guys, including Mac. He made a lot of these FA errors. Buck stops at Bill.

 

[h0c2000]

When I think of the throw on the wheel route to Rhamondre, this comes to mind for some reason.

 

[lancerman]

But it's not, there were receivers wide open and plays available to be made.

Our QB sucks. Three years of excuses has been plenty, we have our sample size.

If you can't first admit there's a problem, you can't hope to improve.

Mac stinks... stop with the excuses.

You can’t admit there’s a problem. You want to ignore the problems at WR and offensive line and pretend the QB is holding all of them back and someone else would magically make them good because it breaks your brain to accept how truly bad this team is. If you were honest with yourself, you’d admit there were many problems. Mac’s your excuse for the ineptitude of the rest of tue team.

The sad thing is I could do the opposite of what you did and keep all of Mac’s plays exactly as is for yesterdays game, and if Juju, Reagor, and Douglas make catches they 100% should have made the outcome of the game is changed.

So it works both ways. You can’t admit the problem is the whole team. Because you don’t understand football. You just want to ignore it and find a single quick scapegoat that if you replace him everything else falls in place

 

[cmasspatsfan]

the only thing more insufferable then watching this patriots team, is having to endure thread after thread about how mac sucks and that he is the only issue.

After every loss it's threads of Mac sucks, Bill the GM sucks, sometimes Bill the HC sucks. We really don't discuss much more than that. I'm afraid bill the HC will retire, and they'll make him head of Football operations and have Mayo the coach. This site would be a riot if that happened.

 

[lancerman]

Far too simplistic.

There's a lot of homers on this board who are incapable of rational thought and are unable to accept that the team is extremely flawed from top to bottom because then they'd have to accept that Bill Belichick failed, he probably needs to go, and a long rebuild with no certainty has to take place. It's easier for those people to act like the QB is a boogeyman who is responsible for everything so they don't have to face that reality. These same people can't explain why players as bad Zach Wilson are winning games with a better defense, running game, and at least one competent WR.

Aka it's a giant cope to not face all the foundational problems going on and hoping for a quick fix. Because that is what desperate homers who are terrified that the team is very bad and will take years to correct course do to feel better.

 

[203Pat]

Honestly ? Put Mac in Cincinnati and I think he’d still suck … his arm is weak. I’m seeing more and more every week that he’s a coward. The floating ball he throws off his back foot solidifies it for me.

The mind numbingly bad throws just don't stop. I don't even react anymore when he does something dumb I just expect it. That ridiculous lob to Stevenson on the wheel route. In what universe do you throw the ball like that there? The fadeaway throws and happy feet. He has looked worse each year and just bottomed out.

 

[sb1]

When I think of the throw on the wheel route to Rhamondre, this comes to mind for some reason.

Always love a good eephus pitch.

I think Justin Fields completed a pass like that for a TD one time.

 

[ahmed]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvW8kw6gInY

Highlights from yesterday's Commander's game ^

The weapons are bad, the blocking is bad, Tyquan is a bust, that's why Mac is bad... okay.

At 00:49 on 4th and 3 Mac overthrows Tyquan wide open on an in/out route... a sure TD with his speed. Watch that again and imagine if Mac throws on time. Tyquan is 6'2," runs a 4.2 forty, has a 38.5" vertical leap and 33 3/8" arms... his arms are ridiculously long, and Mac overthrows him... how? Because the one time Mac should throw a timing lob, he throws a bullet instead, only way off target. But it's not Mac...

At 03:09 on 3rd and 4 Mac forces his fourth attempt on a third or fourth down into Thornton, despite him being pretty well covered. In the meantime, at the sticks Gesicki is wide open for a first down. Next to him Demario is putting a stupid move on his defender if Mac is a little more patient... the payoff was large with maybe one man to beat behind him. Another terrible decision, but it's not Mac...

Here's where our defense forces a fumble near their red-zone, Mac comes out and throws a TD pass to his great TE Henry and we get the perception "Mac did some good things today." He didn't really, the defense did that and gave you a gift.

At 07:02 on 3rd and 10 Mac doesn't recognize overload on the left side of his O-Line where he has Conor McDermott instead of Trent Brown. Two guys flood and overwhelm the LT but no problem, Rhamondre is wide open under the sticks and Hunter Henry has the post route wide open... just make the throw, either throw... nope, Mac takes the sack instead. He fumbles but luckily his ass gets saved by a roughing the passer flag. But it's not Mac...

At 09:49 on 3rd and 3 Mac has Zeke wide open on a quick slant and throws behind him... but it's not Mac...

At 10:30 on 3rd and 6 Mac, in maybe the most egregious miss of the day, has multiple options to miss and does. Rhamondre running a wheel route out of the back field is wide open 20 yards downfield, Mac throws another Mac molasses ball special that takes forever to get there and underthrows Rham by a lot. This play is doubly bad because he also has Juju running free on a drag route route with a blocker in front of him ten yards away. But it's not Mac...

On the final drive Juju make back to back high degree of difficulty catches because Mac was putting them inches off the ground. Then Mac makes a questionable pass when he clearly doesn't have to on 2nd down and nearing field goal range to a well guarded Juju. There could/should have been a flag as Juju was being tackled well before the ball got there... either way it was an unnecessary risk that didn't need to be taken. The only reason the game was in doubt anyway was all the missed opportunities by Mac Jones earlier in the game, especially on third downs.... but it's not Mac...

In summation, Mac was sacked once because he didn't recognize two defenders overloading his backup tackle on his left side. His rushing game was kicking butt with his RB's average 6.9 yards per carry. His receivers were open all day for the most part, and Mac simply over or under threw them or missed them completely by having tunnel vision. The Pat's defense held the Commander's offense to their third lowest point total of the 2023 season and turned them over twice.

The real problem for the Patriots were the six offensive drives that lasted five plays or less that ended in punts... the highlights don't really showcase those drives.

Mac and the offense were 4-14 on third/fourth down. This against a defense that entering yesterday's games was ranked 29th in points allowed, ranked 29th in passing yards allowed and 32nd, dead last, in passing TD’s allowed. Oh yeah, and who just traded their best pass rushers Montez Sweat and Chase Young earlier in the week…

Again… if you’re defending Mac at this point you’re an idiot.

In summation... Mac sucks.

Stop blaming the O-Line, stop blaming the weapons... it's Mac. Mac sucks royally.

We don't have the weapons is a stupid thing to say since 2021. You need a competent QB to make those players come alive.

People love to say no other QB would succeed with these players - such a clueless thing to say.

 

[lancerman]

We don't have the weapons is a stupid thing to say since 2021. You need a competent QB to make those players come alive.

People love to say no other QB would succeed with these players - such a clueless thing to say.

In yet in 2019 half this site was willing to call Brady washed and throw him under the bus and half were blaming the receivers and offensive line. We found out the talent was the problem. And you can't accuse Brady of sucking.

You could also apply this to Tua who looked like hot trash before he got Hill and Waddle.

You could also apply this to Josh Allen who was in a make or break year before they got Diggs.

You could also apply this to Trevor Lawrence who looked like one of the biggest busts ever before they invest in WR.

QB plays a role. You can't ignore that talent actually matters and can make good QB's look bad. We've seen it all over the league and we've seen it on this team. 2019 wasn't THAT long ago. The screams of Brady is washed and how dare he sulk on the sideline and undermine Bill Belichick wasn't that long ago. Talent is important and makes a difference. It's been proven multiple times.

And to go a step further, Justin Fields is a bad QB. DJ Moore's talent still shines through.

 

[Ring 6]

You can’t admit there’s a problem. You want to ignore the problems at WR and offensive line and pretend the QB is holding all of them back and someone else would magically make them good because it breaks your brain to accept how truly bad this team is. If you were honest with yourself, you’d admit there were many problems. Mac’s your excuse for the ineptitude of the rest of tue team.

The sad thing is I could do the opposite of what you did and keep all of Mac’s plays exactly as is for yesterdays game, and if Juju, Reagor, and Douglas make catches they 100% should have made the outcome of the game is changed.

So it works both ways. You can’t admit the problem is the whole team. Because you don’t understand football. You just want to ignore it and find a single quick scapegoat that if you replace him everything else falls in place

The qb absolutely is holding them back. Look at the all22 and tell me how many open WRs a good qb would find.

 

[chasa]

After every loss it's threads of Mac sucks, Bill the GM sucks, sometimes Bill the HC sucks. We really don't discuss much more than that. I'm afraid bill the HC will retire, and they'll make him head of Football operations and have Mayo the coach. This site would be a riot if that happened.

honestly with the effort the players are putting out, and the talent evaluation and job hiring that's been going on. this team needs to clean house

 

[ahmed]

In yet in 2019 half this site was willing to call Brady washed and throw him under the bus and half were blaming the receivers and offensive line. We found out the talent was the problem. And you can't accuse Brady of sucking.

You could also apply this to Tua who looked like hot trash before he got Hill and Waddle.

You could also apply this to Josh Allen who was in a make or break year before they got Diggs.

You could also apply this to Trevor Lawrence who looked like one of the biggest busts ever before they invest in WR.

QB plays a role. You can't ignore that talent actually matters and can make good QB's look bad. We've seen it all over the league and we've seen it on this team. 2019 wasn't THAT long ago. The screams of Brady is washed and how dare he sulk on the sideline and undermine Bill Belichick wasn't that long ago. Talent is important and makes a difference. It's been proven multiple times.

And to go a step further, Justin Fields is a bad QB. DJ Moore's talent still shines through.

Which is why I said since 2021...

 

[203Pat]

Lol this kid was crying on the sideline a few weeks back then he was a healthy scratch after continually getting torched so badly and we couldn't throw on him.

 

[Spiral]

Given the overall talent level on offense, the Patriots need a QB who can get 2-3 first downs per game with his legs. To me, Mac's comp is Colt McCoy: a guy who tried for 2-3 years to make it as a starter, but not enough arm talent or mobility. Like McCoy, I think Mac may be able to stick around for a few years as a backup on another team, but not this one. He looks like his nerves are shot. They need to draft a QB and sign a veteran who can be a coach/mentor. The failure rate for QBs drafted in the first round is high. This one was a swing and a miss, resulting in two bad seasons, maybe three.