BSJ article: NE offense in 2020 was similar to 2019

[luuked]

Cam newton threw 5 tds all years. Pretty sure if you started Edelman or jakobi meyers they could do the same.

The offense can be horrible AND cam can also be done.

You'd think people would stop with those dumb hyperboles after seeing how hapless a D2 QB looked when the Broncos had to start him against the Saints.

And not only did Bill not decide to draft anyone to plan for the possibility of Brady leaving/retiring he also gave Brady 1 year incentive deals to show he's not in bills longterm plans essentially pushing him out

both moves don't make any sense put together.

Except we brought in someone every other year since 2013. Garopollo, Brissett, Etling, Stidham..

Please show me the amazing second wave QBs (i.e. outside the first two rounds) that we missed out on since then. The list goes: Dak Prescott. That is it.

Apart from him you got your AJ McCarrons, Tom Savages, Bryce Pettys, Nate Sudfelds, Nathan Petermans, Kyle Laulettas and Jake Fromms. Which are not a big difference to what we got in Brissett, Etling and Stidham.

If your beef is that we didn't trade up to get one of the blue chip QBs then the only thing I got to tell you in response is that we were in win now mode and actually went to four SBs in that timeframe. So maybe getting those three additional banners offsets the idea of not trading away multiple drafts for a lottery ticket in case Brady would retire.

 

[Brewskies]

Exactly. Same bad offense even with the GOAT QB Tom Brady. Same bad playcalling. Same lack of development. Same lack of caring about TEs. Ineptitude at WR.

We need a NEW offensive coordinator.

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You are asking for a NEW offensive coordinator but your justification for the change is the description of the Head Coach's job. Do you want a NEW head coach or offensive coordinator? BTW I want both Belichick and McDaniels in the same jobs next year and the following years.

The offensive coordinator's job is like a CHEF job in a restaurant.

When a CHEF wants to make Chicken Salad he starts off with a pile of Chicken Schitt, NO that won't work.

Josh McDaniels this season started off with Cam Newton, NO that didn't work. Brady wouldn't have worked either, this Pats season. Can't make Chicken Salad out if Chicken Schitt. If you want to point the Finger of Blame for this season.... then point it at Bob Kraft who got in the way a couple of years back.

 

[Nehalem]

The last 3 weeks the Patriots scored 3, 12, and 9 points.

The fewest the Patriots scored in 2019 was 13.

The Patriots rank 28th in points scored this year. A number probably helped by the 45-0 effort against the Chargers that featured multiple special teams scores and the starting QB having only 69 yards passing...

Also of note that the Patriots were 15th in yards last year and 29th this year.

Anyone who thinks the offense is not worst this year is not watching football.

And even if you somehow do believe that it doesn't mean this year we would be worse/same with Tom Brady at QB. Patriots clearly improved at OL and RB, and maybe WR at least comparing Meyers/Byrd vs Sanu/Broken-Edelman.

 

[XLIX]

Actually it's true. Last year the defense and special teams scored a bunch of points for us . And last year the last 9 games only averaged 17.6 points per game...

If you have to eliminate almost half the season to make your point, then you have a very weak point. That’s textbook cherry picking, which is evidence of a weak thesis.

If I also get to arbitrarily eliminate 7 games from this year’s sample then the Patriots averaged 11.5 points per game. So last year is still roughly 1 TD per game better.

 

[TomPatriot]

Somewhat disengenous. The 2019 offense leading rusher had 3.7 YPC. This season Harris & Michel are combining for 5.3 YPC. This isn't some Cam phenomenon either as the run game worked with Hoyer against the Chiefs. Wynn was out the majority of the season, Mason was injured & Cannon was toast. On top of that Edelman was ineffective the second half of the season.

Cam has had a lot of time in the pocket on his sacks. Brady would have an elite run game here & time to throw. Meyers is an upgrade over 2019 Edelman & Byrd is better than Sanu.

I think this offense with Brady would be more like 2013 (without Gronk) than 2019. Not great by any stretch but there would be a run game, a pretty good PA passing game & Meyers would be targeted like Edelman. Considering he has a 72% catch rate with Cam & has gotten open this season that offense would be decent.

The OL has been less injured and better this year. Edelman’s presence in 2019 is more than offset by the less effective 2019 OL. The offense scored more in its last three games in 2019 and it had more yards in 2019, even though the running game was better in 2020. QB is a big difference there.

I think your analysis is a little more nuanced than Janik’s analysis, though he’s right about the D.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

If you have to eliminate almost half the season to make your point, then you have a very weak point. That’s textbook cherry picking, which is evidence of a weak thesis.

If I also get to arbitrarily eliminate 7 games from this year’s sample then the Patriots averaged 11.5 points per game. So last year is still roughly 1 TD per game better.

Not when it was 9 straight weeks and continued this year . Something changed and the offense has been bad for awhile .

 

[Jim Beankie]

I remember last year there were a few throws that Brady made, and I thought that Tebow could've made a better throw. I just thought his elbow was worse than everyone let on. Cam then set a new level of "juuuuust a bit outside [or low]," so my thoughts last year felt ridiculous by comparison, but last year we could tell when someone ran a bad route (Brady yelling), but this year I'm not really able to tell some of the time. That being said, interesting stats from last (whole) year to this year (not mentioned *that I saw from a skim* in the article). I can't imagine what they'd be if we just looked at the last 9 games from 2019.

Avg Drive:
2019: 29.8yds (Opp 22.7)
2020: 32.7yds (Opp 36.2)

Avg Time of Drive:
2019: 2:40 (Opp 2:20)
2020: 2:58 (Opp 3:10)

Points per Drive:
2019: 1.97 (Opp 0.98)
2020: 1.86 (Opp 2.23)

Note that they had 30 fewer drives this year (through 15g), which would make sense given the huge drop in pass attempts (and clock stopping incompletions) plus the much longer Opp drives. Opponents had 36 more drives last year, and they started from pretty much the same spot, but we just sucked more this year. Imho, the article has a pinch of merit except for the nontrivial difference of 258pts scored by non kicker offensive players (16.1pts/g) in 2019 versus 170 (11.3pts/g) in 2020. Including kickers, it's 22.8 offensive pts/g in 2019 (14th - would be 16th this year) and 18.3 offensive pts/g in 2020 (30th). That's terrible and can't really be called similar.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

I remember last year there were a few throws that Brady made, and I thought that Tebow could've made a better throw. I just thought his elbow was worse than everyone let on. Cam then set a new level of "juuuuust a bit outside [or low]," so my thoughts last year felt ridiculous by comparison, but last year we could tell when someone ran a bad route (Brady yelling), but this year I'm not really able to tell some of the time. That being said, interesting stats from last (whole) year to this year (not mentioned *that I saw from a skim* in the article). I can't imagine what they'd be if we just looked at the last 9 games from 2019.

Avg Drive:
2019: 29.8yds (Opp 22.7)
2020: 32.7yds (Opp 36.2)

Avg Time of Drive:
2019: 2:40 (Opp 2:20)
2020: 2:58 (Opp 3:10)

Points per Drive:
2019: 1.97 (Opp 0.98)
2020: 1.86 (Opp 2.23)

Note that they had 30 fewer drives this year (through 15g), which would make sense given the huge drop in pass attempts (and clock stopping incompletions) plus the much longer Opp drives. Opponents had 36 more drives last year, and they started from pretty much the same spot, but we just sucked more this year. Imho, the article has a pinch of merit except for the nontrivial difference of 258pts scored by non kicker offensive players (16.1pts/g) in 2019 versus 170 (11.3pts/g) in 2020. Including kickers, it's 22.8 offensive pts/g in 2019 (14th - would be 16th this year) and 18.3 offensive pts/g in 2020 (30th). That's terrible and can't really be called similar.

Excellent analysis. Same or worse offense for 2 years now. It's not getting better . We need a new offensive coordinator.

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[TheRainMaker]

We need a new offensive coordinator.

I agree. Things are getting stale and don't have an elite QB to mask any weaknesses.

 

[XLIX]

Not when it was 9 straight weeks and continued this year . Something changed and the offense has been bad for awhile .

Yeah, it's still cherry picking to arbitrarily eliminate 7 games from a 16 game season.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Yeah, it's still cherry picking to arbitrarily eliminate 7 games from a 16 game season.

Ordinarily I'd agree with you. But in this case it wasn't up and down all year. It's been consistently bad for about 15 months now. We need a new offensive coordinator before this becomes the 2011 2-14 Rams or 2010 4-12 Broncos, the last places wrecked by the current OC.

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