PATRIOTS NEWS Breer: Eliot Wolf will stay. Relationship between Wolf and Vrabel worked from the start

[Ring 6]

We saw him used as a down the field deep threat. If Cincy used Sanu as a down the field threat after drafting him, he would have been a bust. BTW, Sanu only had 154 yards his rookie season. Granted, he was a third round pick and not a second.

And I am not saying he is as good as Sanu was. I am saying Sanu was his pre-draft comp. Polk is a Sanu type of player. And that isn't the X.

And if he turns into a good player, yes he was a better pick than we think AND he was mismanged here. Doesn't change that he turned into a wasted draft pick for the Patriots.

And he is a bust for the Patriots because he played half a season for the Patriots for his entire Patriots career as a second round pick. Even if he turns into Randy Moss 2.0 (not remotely saying he will) next year, he will still be a bust for the Patriots.

He was not used as a deep threat. His yards per catch was 7.3.

 

[Ring 6]

I will say that Shuster-Smith was a washout here but was useable in KC.

The coaching staff was a problem.

Don’t want either Polk or Shuster-Smith back, just pointing out the reality that was our disastrous coaching staff last year.

Juju had 29 catches and 260 yards in 11 games here and has had 49 and 563 in 30 games in KC.
Per game
NE 2.6 for 23
KC 1.6 for 17

He was better here than he has been in KC.

 

[The Gr8est]

As I have said before I would like them to make Cowden the GM with final say, that keeps him from being poached, but if they don't they will end up losing both Streicher and Cowden. , in which case they need to keep Wolf around.

The that would be epic mismanagement if the Pats allowed that to happen.

 

[The Gr8est]

Juju had 29 catches and 260 yards in 11 games here and has had 49 and 563 in 30 games in KC.
Per game
NE 2.6 for 23
KC 1.6 for 17

He was better here than he has been in KC.

He didn’t make it out of the Pats TC last year but managed to make the Chief’s team and produce.

 

[Huckleberry1]

The that would be epic mismanagement if the Pats allowed that to happen.

Not much they can do about it. Only one person can be designated as having final say, everyone else is fair game: if these guys aspire to becoming aGM's and want to leave you can't stop them.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

If a GM doesn't select a QB in that position, they should be ousted and never given a job again.

Anyone who argues that isn't a GM. I'm confident 32 out of 32 GMs would do exactly what Wolf did.

We needed to take a QB, for sure. But there were 6 QB's with a high to mid 1st round grade. We could have tried to trade up, we could have taken someone else at 3, or we easily could've traded down to 6 or 11 or whatever for a huge haul if the Pats thought there wasn't much of a drop-off between Maye and Penix/McCarthy/Nix. But Wolf & company stayed at 3 and chose Maye there. Excellent assessment of Maye's talent relative to the other 5 qb's, and well played on draft day. Obviously made a mistake a round later by not taking McConkey, but the draft was already a home run by landing Drake Maye.

 

[festy1986]

We needed to take a QB, for sure. But there were 6 QB's with a high to mid 1st round grade. We could have tried to trade up, we could have taken someone else at 3, or we easily could've traded down to 6 or 11 or whatever for a huge haul if the Pats thought there wasn't much of a drop-off between Maye and Penix/McCarthy/Nix. But Wolf & company stayed at 3 and chose Maye there. Excellent assessment of Maye's talent relative to the other 5 qb's, and well played on draft day. Obviously made a mistake a round later by not taking McConkey, but the draft was already a home run by landing Drake Maye.

It's things like this that make me very weary of stories people tell in the past I can't verify.

I was there. Maye was always gonna be the number 3. There was no debate. The media did what they did for stories.

Maye was the first overall pick coming off the season the year before. He had a ****tier year because he had a ****tier roster and it let him fall to us.

None of the guys after him would of been taken instead of him by any other team in the league.

He was number 3 in a concenus 3 QB draft and it's panned out exactly as it was predicted.

 

[upstater1]

We needed to take a QB, for sure. But there were 6 QB's with a high to mid 1st round grade. We could have tried to trade up, we could have taken someone else at 3, or we easily could've traded down to 6 or 11 or whatever for a huge haul if the Pats thought there wasn't much of a drop-off between Maye and Penix/McCarthy/Nix. But Wolf & company stayed at 3 and chose Maye there. Excellent assessment of Maye's talent relative to the other 5 qb's, and well played on draft day. Obviously made a mistake a round later by not taking McConkey, but the draft was already a home run by landing Drake Maye.

I don't see it this way. There was a clear consensus on any of the top 3. The others were actually mocked by the mock draft database (i.e. the mock of mocks) way lower down the first round than they were selected.

The thought of a GM passing on a Drake Maye to select Penix or McCarthy would be career suicide. These guys are highly paid and they like their salaries. They would not torpedo their careers.

I've never seen it happen anyway.

To say you drafted Drake Maye and he busted? That's defensible. To say you passed on Drake Maye and the guy who you selected busted? You should never be allowed to work for an NFL team ever again.

I said this exact same thing before that draft, BTW.

 

[Ring 6]

He didn’t make it out of the Pats TC last year but managed to make the Chief’s team and produce.

And produced less than he produced here.
How is that coaching making him better.

Based upon his numbers he shouldn’t have made it out if anyone’s camp.

 

[Family]

How is it a bad GM decision? What if McConkey is an one year wonder? He is the Chargers' #1 WR and he doesn't even have 800 yards yet this season and he has been catching only 62% of his targets. Has had more games of 20 or less yards (4) than over 100 (2) this season. He has been very average this at best.

People look at McConkey in hindsight. Many people wanted to avoid him because of his injury history.

Xavier Worthy # 28
Ricky Piersall # 31
Xavier Legette # 32
Keon Coleman # 33

Then McConkey

Wolf let this happen because he didn't evaluate other teams needs or where the draft was going.

That's what a bad GM does.

 

[TheRainMaker]

But what I said was 100% about player evaluation. If I am correct, it would have been that Wolf evaluated Douglas as a player as good or better than McConkey and looking at McConkey as not a player of need since the position he plays is already filled.

This was why McConkey was passed on. Had Polk become a good player and McConkey was a bust we'd be saying the Pats took another midget slot WR over an X.

With that said, Polk was absolutely awful pick. He makes the guys picked before him during the BB years like Dobson, Tate, Johnson, Jackson, etc. look like All Pro's.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

As I have said before I would like them to make Cowden the GM with final say, that keeps him from being poached, but if they don't they will end up losing both Streicher and Cowden. , in which case they need to keep Wolf around.

To clarify, the critical thing is final say on the roster; the title is irrelevant.

 

[upstater1]

Xavier Worthy # 28
Ricky Piersall # 31
Xavier Legette # 32
Keon Coleman # 33

Then McConkey

Wolf let this happen because he didn't evaluate other teams needs or where the draft was going.

That's what a bad GM does.

And even if he didn't trade up, he still evaluated Polk higher than McConkey!

 

[Rob0729]

You do understand that every word Breer said/printed came directly from Elliot Wolf, right?

I don’t. Because I doubt Breer would report a story praising Wolf coming from Wolf.

I bet you believed any anti-Wolf story last year when everyone was throwing each other under the bus to deflect blame off themselves.

 

[Rob0729]

He was not used as a deep threat. His yards per catch was 7.3.

He was used as a deep threat. He sucked at it. Hence why his yards per catch was so low and so was his reception to target rate.

 

[TommyD4207]

I don’t. Because I doubt Breer would report a story praising Wolf coming from Wolf

I bet you believed any anti-Wolf story last year when everyone was throwing each other under the bus to deflect blame off themselves.

He literally would, because he literally just spits out whatever someone tells him. Check his history.

My information on Wolf doesn't come from the media.

 

[Rob0729]

Xavier Worthy # 28
Ricky Piersall # 31
Xavier Legette # 32
Keon Coleman # 33

Then McConkey

Wolf let this happen because he didn't evaluate other teams needs or where the draft was going.

That's what a bad GM does.

All those receivers were taken before the Pats were on the clock. And reports were the Pats tried to trade up into the first round and had no takers. When you have the 34th pick and you tried to trade up, you cannot be blamed for who was selected between picks 28-33.

You would have a point if the Pats had pick 28 and traded back to 37 and selected Polk.

BTW, half the guys you mentioned, the Pats could probably trade for in the offseason for a late round pick. Both Legette and Coleman could easily be playing for another team next year. And neither Worthy nor Pearsall are playing remotely like first round draft picks.

If Wolf found that Worthy, Legette, Pearsall, and Coleman weren’t worth drafting in the late first or early second rounds, I would say that is being a good GM.

McConkey is the only receiver of that group worth the draft pick where they were selected.

 

[Family]

BTW, half the guys you mentioned, the Pats could probably trade for in the offseason for a late round pick. Both Legette and Coleman could easily be playing for another team next year. And neither Worthy nor Pearsall are playing remotely like first round draft picks.

Would any of these teams trade their chosen receiver even up for Polk?

 

[Ring 6]

He was used as a deep threat. He sucked at it. Hence why his yards per catch was so low and so was his reception to target rate.

No. Thats just not correct.

 

[Rob0729]

Would any of these teams trade their chosen receiver even up for Polk?

That isn't the point. You are arguing Wolf isn't a good GM because he drafted a draft bust instead of draft a slightly better draft bust. Keion Coleman is a toolbag who is constantly getting benched on a team desperate for WR help. Leggette is awful. Worthy is not great with arguably the best QB in the NFL throwing to him. Pearsall is either great or invisible from week to week. I wouldn't want any of them.