Breakdown of Mayes throwing hitch.

[Force Zero Boomer]

I like Scrappy Zappe but if he remains on the team when the season starts, it will tell me they don't have in Jacoby or Maye. Milton on PS unless he makes a shocking advance.

Not sure why you think Zappe or [insert veteran backup here] remaining on the roster will tell you anything about Jacoby or Maye. Teams often carry 3 QBs.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I've been talking about this for a while and I think the footwork is more important or a bigger deal. There's such a ripple effect from it. There's a few things that stick out.
A)very bouncy at times. this hurts bc you want to throw from your feet up. you want to firmly planted when you fire.
B)too many heel clicks, feet crossing over. this effects balance, position from you're throwing from.
At times it looks like his feet and hips aren't throwing to where a wr will be but where he is at that exact moment. And these things don't help.

Maye also had to learn how recreate, manipulate a pocket better. He'll find himself in harms way when he doesn't need to be. And can help himself a lot more in terms of throwing lanes, launch points.

I had a lot going on but mentioned this to @DaBruinz and meant to post a while back but heres a quick breakdown of the ND game. And if anyone knows me or has read my stuff. I don't just look at 1 game. I've watched almost ever snap he's taken in college (A22). Clemson and NC ST weren't much better. I love Maye. He's the only guy I would have taken at 3. I would have traded back if he went 2. I'm beyond excited he's here bc of his potential. Not necessarily who he is now although I love the traits and skill-set he can bring day one. It's always important to know what you're getting. We're getting a potential all-pro but yes he needs some real work and there's nothing wrong with that at all. I've been adamant about his comparison to Allen. Way more than Herbert or Love. It took Allen a few years to get to looking like an alien playing QB. He also had bad footwork, as bad if not worse than Drake. Dealt with processing and pocket management issues as well. There's plenty of comparisons on both sides but that's the one we're hoping for. And if he hits, that's who he'll look like at his peak.

Certainly NOT impossible to overcome. Older prospects have less room to grow for a number of reasons, age is on his side. Another thing that may seem funny but footwork wasn't a "must" in that offense. It definitely wasn't a timing offense. You would hope Maye is farther along bc hes been working with former pros but these aren't insurmountable obstacles. It's ok to talk about in context. I haven't heard anything crazy. Like no one saying he'll suck bc of it. And at the same time recognize his poor footwork isn't bc of his line or surrounding cast. That's a Maye issue. Again just keep it on the level and I don't see an issue talking about this.

Back to the post.

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I promised @DaBruinz I would highlight this. It's probably Mayes biggest impediment coming into the league imo. His footwork is bad. Correctable, yes but it leads to all sorts of problems. Inaccuracy, leading him into pressure. This was quite common while watching Maye. I love his aggressiveness, versatility and playmaking ability but this to get fixed.




33 - immediate heel click, too many steps that lead him to the only real pressure around. Feet are never really set or firm to fire. You'll notice he's a little "bouncey" at times. This is a common theme. He likes to slide or drift across as opposed to climb. Another issue that comes up is his hips and feet aren't always matched up correctly with his targets.

47/54 - I'd like to see him throw this a little sooner and I'm not "blaming" this pass on "mechanics" but I hate seeing the back foot come off the ground in most cases. It doesn't help here. Looks like both come off at some point. Not ideal here (54) but back foot stays on the ground which helps imo.

132 - again Upper & lower are helping each other. Another thing you see a lot. Feet stay forward while he contorts his upper. It works but as we'll see the same later on and it doesn't. He's not facing tremendous pressure here he has to set himself up better. Again you see this upper & lower not being married a lot.

150 - nice in rhythm throw. Always a big fan of the back foot/toes staying on the ground. I feel like this could be sped up a little more though. Nothing messy or sloppy but he could be a little quicker. Very next play is why you want to draft him. 40+ air yards far hash to sideline. Effortless, easy but like I've said with Maye. The most important thing about Maye isn't his size or athleticism or arm or we. It's his aggressiveness! None of that is any good if you don't have the aggressive mindset - "go win the game." That aggressiveness is on display everywhere. Good or bad results Maye will put it on his shoulders. And like life you want to funnel that not stop it but that confidence is exactly what you want to see.

210 - Doesn't put himself in the best position going to his right almost moving towards the pressure again. He's in empty, I'd love to see him set those feet off a quick one-two step drop and fire. Something very quick and decisive. This is something I saw a lot. Arm talent and athleticism gets him out of bad situations he creates for himself. The throw was pretty accurate but he made it difficult on himself.

227 - hips and feet aren't set towards where the target is going. Easy miss.

232 is another "why you draft him" play

333 - completely disjointed upper & lower body. Nothing is set. Easy throw still "catchable" but he makes things hard on himself and his target. Again you see this a lot.

451 little hitch/hesitation but you can see the promise in the mechanics

505 feet are set to where the target was no where he was "going to be"

510 - decisive quick with good velocity no messing about that's how you throw to your back

So you see the good and bad with Maye here. This is actually a good game to get a feel for what he can do. Deliver some great passes down field, very aggressive runner and player with traits for days. The mechanics and some of the shots he takes are a real concern though.
He's got all the goods and tools you'd want. Plus arm talent. Great size and frame to add muscle. Can touch any area on the field. Manipulate defenders high or mof/overhang. Can go through 2-3 reads with no problem. He has to get better post snap but is on his way pre snap. Although delayed pressure will hurt him from DBs. Tough kid that will take a shot in pocket or while running. Accurate on the move until about 25 yards. Far hash boundary about 40 with good accuracy. Has to learn how to climb instead of drift. Must get the upper and lower working together. There's so much to like about Maye but you need great coaching, a possible redshirt year and an ownership group with patience. WC isn't an ideal fit. He's much more suited for a spread/rpo look with an emphasis on getting the ball out quick but he's got so much to work with.

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[dliverey44]

I find it interesting no one in this thread is talking about the IMO well done and informative video the OP shared. I was all aboard the Maye train from the first videos I watched of him back in December and had no idea what people were talking about when they said crappy footwork and a long release. Looked absolutely fine to me.

Slowed down, and compared admittedly unfairly to Brady, I see what they are saying. He slams the ball with his left hand forcing it to go unusually far behind him when he winds up. It’s almost like loading a catapult using tension to add velocity when he should be able to just use his arm to flick it. The ball shouldn’t go much past his ear, instead it’s nearly a foot past his shoulder and on some of those throws behind his back foot. In the NFL that can lead to more strip sacks as DEs do get there .1 seconds or more faster.

The footwork comment I don’t see as much but there is occasionally an extra half hop forward. Small thing and probably impossible to correct in live fire but same consequence it does increase odds of a strip sack. Again not fair to compare him to Brady but look at his footwork rookie year versus 4 year vet, night and friggin day, so it IS possible to improve if you work at it and work at it and work at it and work at it. I love Maye and his attitude so I think if he gets the chance to work on these things without the pressure of being the week 1 starter, man he could be SO good.

It was a very good video. Maybe I am in the minority but his throwing motion doesn't concern me very much because Drake has stated he wants to work on it. That tells me that he is very aware of his perceived issues and is willing to change things. He is still relatively inexperienced as a QB, 2 years of HS and 2 years starting in college and 1 as backup in college. In those 2 years of college as a starter, he had 2 different OC's, so I am pretty confident that he can be coached and learn well.

Clyde Christensen vouched for him and honestly that is all I need.

 

[Simpelton]

Is there any thought at all, anywhere, that Joe Milton could make a run at the job?

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“He’s got an absolute frickin’ cannon,” NBC Sports Boston’s Tom Curran said about the Patriots' sixth-round pick, Joe Milton III.

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Not this year. This year will be Brissett and any other play time will probably go to getting Maye up to NFL speeds.

If Joe gets a chance at all, it'll be early in the year if Brissett needs a breather or gets hurt and can't finish a game, and Maye's not ready. if I had to throw one of the 2 to the wolves it would 200% be Milton. He's more expendable.

That said, personally I like Milton. I think he's got a high floor as long as the head tool holds up. The tools are great, it comes down to what kind of football mind is in that head of his.

Milton has the potential to get into the same career path Brissett's on now, and you never know when one of those guys sticks with a team longer term a la Geno Smith. Or he could never play a down. The 6th round is like that.

 

[Love The Drake]

Not this year. This year will be Brissett and any other play time will probably go to getting Maye up to NFL speeds.

If Joe gets a chance at all, it'll be early in the year if Brissett needs a breather or gets hurt and can't finish a game, and Maye's not ready. if I had to throw one of the 2 to the wolves it would 200% be Milton. He's more expendable.

That said, personally I like Milton. I think he's got a high floor as long as the head tool holds up. The tools are great, it comes down to what kind of football mind is in that head of his.

Milton has the potential to get into the same career path Brissett's on now, and you never know when one of those guys sticks with a team longer term a la Geno Smith. Or he could never play a down. The 6th round is like that.

Agree with everthing but Geno was a first round pick, better comparison maybe Ryan Fitzpatrick or Gardner Minshew

 

[Simpelton]

Geno became that kinda QB though, draft notwithstanding

 

[p8ryts]

Not sure why you think Zappe or [insert veteran backup here] remaining on the roster will tell you anything about Jacoby or Maye. Teams often carry 3 QBs.

They will probably want to shred reminders of last year. What if he has a jump and looks better than the other two, they won't want to chance that. Third string QBs are readily available.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I'm with you. But I'm of the mind if he shows convincingly, I mean he's head and shoulders above every one else than I don't see how mayo doesn't.

I don’t know what Mayo would do. If it’s me then I sit him a season while he learns the offense and ensure the protection will be there. I see Maye as their long term investment, because if he pans out they are set at QB for the next 12 or more seasons. I don’t care if he plays one snap in 24’.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Agree with everthing but Geno was a first round pick, better comparison maybe Ryan Fitzpatrick or Gardner Minshew

Pretty sure Geno went in the second round.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

They will probably want to shred reminders of last year. What if he has a jump and looks better than the other two, they won't want to chance that. Third string QBs are readily available.

If they were concerned about that, they would have released him already because camp won’t make him less of a reminder. Zappe is a known quantity who has started and won multiple NFL games (4-4 record). Even your 3rd string QB has to run an NFL offense. Can Milton do that now? Can some other “readily available” guy do it AND win? Unknown, but they know Zappe can.

Besides, this isn’t politics. Zappe isn’t going to start over Brissette. He probably won’t see many snaps in preseason games if the OL seems sorted. A lot depends on the OL.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

I don’t know what Mayo would do. If it’s me then I sit him a season while he learns the offense and ensure the protection will be there. I see Maye as their long term investment, because if he pans out they are set at QB for the next 12 or more seasons. I don’t care if he plays one snap in 24’.

Yep, let him work on form, footwork and learning the offense. With so much change and uncertainty, it seems reckless to take the risk.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Yep, let him work on form, footwork and learning the offense. With so much change and uncertainty, it seems reckless to take the risk.

I agree. They brought Brissett in to be the bridge QB, and mentor the rookie while they prepare him for the NFL, and they should stick to that plan.

 

[Real fan 02]

I don’t know what Mayo would do. If it’s me then I sit him a season while he learns the offense and ensure the protection will be there. I see Maye as their long term investment, because if he pans out they are set at QB for the next 12 or more seasons. I don’t care if he plays one snap in 24’.

Drake would have to be overwhelmingly the clear cut best QB in camp.. I'm talking Brissett, and the other QBs would have to look like last seasons QB play. I'll say this. CJ stroud won over mills in camp by his play and his ability to adapt to the playbook.

 

[Tunescribe]

Drake would have to be overwhelmingly the clear cut best QB in camp.. I'm talking Brissett, and the other QBs would have to look like last seasons QB play. I'll say this. CJ stroud won over mills in camp by his play and his ability to adapt to the playbook.

If Maye needs to focus on improving fundamentals like footwork and delivery, he'll be a long ways off from commanding the offense. Doing that on top of learning the playbook, adjusting to the speed of the pro game and getting in sync with teammates is a bit much to ask this early. He's just not polished enough -- yet.

 

[Real fan 02]

If Maye needs to focus on improving fundamentals like footwork and delivery, he'll be a long ways off from commanding the offense. Doing that on top of learning the playbook, adjusting to the speed of the pro game and getting in sync with teammates is a bit much to ask this early. He's just not polished enough -- yet.

Yes of course. No rookie QB is a finished products Williams or Daniels either. The Patriots know that maye was probably the best prosp in the draft. While he has fundamentals to work on he still has to show progress through camp. Each day he should get better. That is what being a rookie is all about. It's all on him do that. Mayo can give him the tools but he has to use them.

 

[Real fan 02]

If they were concerned about that, they would have released him already because camp won’t make him less of a reminder. Zappe is a known quantity who has started and won multiple NFL games (4-4 record). Even your 3rd string QB has to run an NFL offense. Can Milton do that now? Can some other “readily available” guy do it AND win? Unknown, but they know Zappe can.

Besides, this isn’t politics. Zappe isn’t going to start over Brissette. He probably won’t see many snaps in preseason games if the OL seems sorted. A lot depends on the OL.

We have a 3rd overall pick and Brissett on this roster becuase of Bailey Jones. That QB duo couldn't move the ball to the 50 far to often last season. We just we're not talented at the position. Yes agree zapp does have experience and will have his chance to compete in camp for a roster spot. We don't know how fast Drake or Milton will acclimate to the NFL. It's all on the players. Coaches can give Xs and Os, footwork, fundamentals. Ect. However it's on the player to go out and execute. Zappe has had extended opportunities to show if he could be a QB worth investing in. He and Mac were both over overdrafted. Whoever starts will have had to earn it through camp. That is best way to approach it.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Not this year. This year will be Brissett and any other play time will probably go to getting Maye up to NFL speeds.

If Joe gets a chance at all, it'll be early in the year if Brissett needs a breather or gets hurt and can't finish a game, and Maye's not ready. if I had to throw one of the 2 to the wolves it would 200% be Milton. He's more expendable.

The only reason I would put Milton in over Maye is if the problem is the OL.

 

[Salsalife]

Doesn't matter hitch, shrug meh. Camp matters.

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

With Milton, for some reason it always cracks me up to read "who played six collegiate seasons..."

I get what you say to a point
To me 6 seasons playing in College. Kind of defines your ceiling.
You have had a lot of coaching (whether it was good or not is another story).
If you don’t seem to progress then there may not be much ceiling left.
Another words your a very slow learner
If you had bad coaching or did not totally buy in then you’re still raw. Money can change that attitude.
I hope he flourishes.

 

[Zuma]

It seems the Pats lose OC’s and DC’s for head coaching positions more frequently then other teams. I don’t know how I would feel if Brissett played the whole season, looked amazing and AVP left for a HC gig before Maye ever took a snap in a game.