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Brandon Lloyd meeting with 49ers: Patriots are gonna blow it

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Could be a ploy by lloyd to make the pats move faster...the 49ers don't make a ton of sense for lloyd...his skillset is the same as moss pretty much

Pats better get moving because if not we are stuck with ocho and tiquan as wr #2 scary!!!
 
Still not worried about it at least at this point. As Rotoworld pointed out, Lloyd has drawn little public interest so far because it looks like a foregone conclusion that Lloyd will come to NE. I am guessing that the 49er visit is more to get the Pats to react. I can't see Lloyd wanting to play with Moss and Alex Smith and the run first offense in San Fran.
 
The pats fixed their passing game problems in a week between 2006 and 2007. Outside of moss, the pats have not had a real #1 WR under the BB regime (I refuse to call welker a #1)

People can be replaced

I agree we don't need a #1, and that people can be replaced, I just think that signing a mid-level FA WR isn't an option anymore because of the ridiculous contracts being handed out. If you look at someone like Stallworth who came in, in 07 for I believe around $3.6mil, he would be making$6mil+ in this kind of market at the time.
 
In 24 hours of free agency Colston is gone, V-Jax is gone, Garcon is gone, Wayne is gone, Meahem is gone and Josh Morgan is gone. You guys just don't get it do you, if you want a quality free agency then you have to start courting them right from the get go.

.......or just keep going to Super Bowls......
 
Still not worried about it at least at this point. As Rotoworld pointed out, Lloyd has drawn little public interest so far because it looks like a foregone conclusion that Lloyd will come to NE. I am guessing that the 49er visit is more to get the Pats to react. I can't see Lloyd wanting to play with Moss and Alex Smith and the run first offense in San Fran.


think its a negotiating ploy ... i know the tension between condon and belichick is pretty deep.... and i think the pats could have had him last year if it was not for the contract.. i would take a intrest in gaffney... but still not a deep threat...
 
Memo to Mr. Lloyd:

While in SF, talk to Randy Moss.

Ask him his opinion on where is the best place to play in the NFL. Who is the team that he would play for for a ham sandwich if they would have him.

It would be good for Lloyd to have a sitdown with his potential new teammate.
 
think its a negotiating ploy ... i know the tension between condon and belichick is pretty deep....

I don't think this point can be understated. The Pats and Condon just aren't good negotiating partners.

Condon is a very good agent. He seems to get total value for his clients.

The issue is that the Pats are also pretty darn good at negotiating and wearing players and agents down.
 
Do you really think that the Patriots will draft a receiver early and rely on him to be a big contributor from day one? I don't and I'm sure no one else does. It's the PATRIOTS dude, they've never drafted a receiver high that has panned out at all let alone draft one that they can rely upon to be the other guy next to Welker. The Patriots are cheap, just accept that man, they'd rather sit around waiting for free agents prices to lower while they all sign with other teams because the Patriots just wait it out and always look for the cheap option. How did Albert Haynesworth turn out? How did Ocho Cinco work out? How did Joey Galloway work out? How did Torry Holt work out? How did Reche Freakin Caldwell work out? The last time they went for some players in free agency (Welker, Moss, Stallworth, Thomas) they went to the superbowl. And don't use the tired line of "well they went to the superbowl this year without spending" because that is a crock. Everbody knows the Patriots had an easy path to the Superbowl, the only other legit team in the AFC was Baltimore and they should've lost to them. What crap was in the AFC this year? Roethlisberger was hurt, Manning was gone, Denver was mediocre and Houston had TJ YATES playing quarterback. The Patriots are a cheap team and that's all there is to it.

It's amazing how people misremember history. Felger was doing the same thing yesterday, saying 2007 was the last year they "loaded up" in free agency. You know who they signed in free agency in 2007? Kyle Brady, Sammy Morris, Kelley Washington, and Donte Stallworth, all of them for minor deals. Welker was their biggest sign, and he was a RFA: we sent 2nd and 7th rounders for him and and gave him $18 million over 5 years. Moss was a flier on a down-and-out veteran; we gave up a 4th rounder and paid him $3 million that year (he had to restructure to come).

So yes, we signed a lot of guys, but none of them were break-the-bank signs. In fact they were very much in the spirit of last year's Ochocinco and Haynesworth deals -- plays for seemingly undervalued talent, made at minimal long-term risk. Moss didn't get his big deal until the next year, after he'd proven himself with the Pats.

Oh, and by the way, the Pats also lost a lot of their own free agents that year, including some big ones. Dan Graham, Corey Dillon, Tebucky Jones, Banta-Cain -- they all left. While a lot of us were pleased about the Welker deal, which came early in free agency, the Moss deal wasn't until the draft.

The Patriots never come out on the first day of free agency hurling money around and peeing on every tree. The closest they ever came to that was when they went after Colvin. But they almost always spend all the money they have and acquire lots of guys, eventually.

It's natural to freak out when free agency starts and your team's big sign is Niko Koutovides. But it's also not rational. We were never going to give Vincent Jackson $13 million a year. But they do have money this year and I'm sure they will spend it on somebody. They also have lots of ammo for a trade, and there are probably guys we're not thinking of who will be part of the team next year. If a 31 year-old receiver like Lloyd signs elsewhere for a lot of money, that will be a drag, but hardly the end of the world.
 
There is an immense possibility that this is a leverage ploy by Lloyd, who killed any that he already had a few days ago.

Hopefully this is the case. But as long as we re-sign Branch, I don't care where we get our new WR(s) from.

Do you really feel that branch has that much left? Seems to me he really started to lose a step last year....
 
Fine. I hope he fades away in San Fran considering he only plays well with McDaniels.
 
You guys do realize though there's a man named Mike Wallace in RFA, right??
 
I know it's sounding doubtful. But I saw yeasterday Meachem visited the Bills, turned around and signed with San Diego. Just saying...
 
.......or just keep going to Super Bowls......

Yeah that's it.....buy your tickets and hotel rooms now!!!.....WHOOOOO!
 
You guys do realize though there's a man named Mike Wallace in RFA, right??

Who??? Of course, but Pats would never pay that much...I would imagine Pitt re-signs him...
 
It's amazing how people misremember history. Felger was doing the same thing yesterday, saying 2007 was the last year they "loaded up" in free agency. You know who they signed in free agency in 2007? Kyle Brady, Sammy Morris, Kelley Washington, and Donte Stallworth, all of them for minor deals. Welker was their biggest sign, and he was a RFA: we sent 2nd and 7th rounders for him and and gave him $18 million over 5 years. Moss was a flier on a down-and-out veteran; we gave up a 4th rounder and paid him $3 million that year (he had to restructure to come).

So yes, we signed a lot of guys, but none of them were break-the-bank signs. In fact they were very much in the spirit of last year's Ochocinco and Haynesworth deals -- plays for seemingly undervalued talent, made at minimal long-term risk. Moss didn't get his big deal until the next year, after he'd proven himself with the Pats.

Oh, and by the way, the Pats also lost a lot of their own free agents that year, including some big ones. Dan Graham, Corey Dillon, Tebucky Jones, Banta-Cain -- they all left. While a lot of us were pleased about the Welker deal, which came early in free agency, the Moss deal wasn't until the draft.

The Patriots never come out on the first day of free agency hurling money around and peeing on every tree. The closest they ever came to that was when they went after Colvin. But they almost always spend all the money they have and acquire lots of guys, eventually.

It's natural to freak out when free agency starts and your team's big sign is Niko Koutovides. But it's also not rational. We were never going to give Vincent Jackson $13 million a year. But they do have money this year and I'm sure they will spend it on somebody. They also have lots of ammo for a trade, and there are probably guys we're not thinking of who will be part of the team next year. If a 31 year-old receiver like Lloyd signs elsewhere for a lot of money, that will be a drag, but hardly the end of the world.

In 2007 In terms of cash outlay, the Pats splurged..

-Adalius Thomas. He was big money with $20m in guarantees.

-Stallworth was a 1 year deal for $3.6m. Not bank-breaking, but not cheap either.

-Welker. His 5yr-18m deal had a bonus of $9m.

-Morris made almost $3m in 2007.

All in all they doled out some cash in 2007.
 
Two things :

1) We have no idea if Belichick even wants him. I would like to get him but he'll be 31 when next season starts, Belichick may be wanting to get younger especially if Lloyd wants more than 2-3 years.

2) The Patriots are often happy to let players look around and stay in touch with what the market is offering.
 
Yeah that's it.....buy your tickets and hotel rooms now!!!.....WHOOOOO!

16+ hours into the free agency period of 2012, and I think we have another contender for:

Hyperventilating Fan Panic Attack of the Year.

This is always fun to watch.
 
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BTW, of all the 12 playoff teams last year, can anyone name one of those teams that made a free agent signing yesterday that wasn't to re-sign one of their own free agents. I can't think of any. The 49ers signed Moss on Monday, but there wasn't one signing from any of the 12 playoff teams otherwise.

Who made most of the free agent signings and team visits yesterday? Bad teams and the Redskins (who was an average team at best last year).
 
Yeah, that Belichick is really "blowing it" already--what a fool. Might as well start planning for 2013 since it looks like we're not getting any overpriced FA wide receivers this year...:bricks:

Seriously, the arm chair GMs need to take a step back. We're actually set up pretty well at receiver as things stand. Sure I'd like to have a Fitzgerald/VJax type wideout, but so does practically everyone else. This isn't fantasy football and we have plenty of receiving weapons as it stands IMO. As long as Ocho steps up his game this year (seems like BB thinks he will now that he's had a year in the offense), he and Branch are perfectly serviceable as wideouts.

I do expect BB to take a more vertical threat type guy in the draft, in spite of his track record of drafting WRs.
 
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