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Brady "Pleads the 5th" when asked if he feels appreciated.

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Sometimes, you gotta plead the FIF!

 
Nobody is claiming it was.

Keep digging in the twitter timelines from 1-2 months ago and you will see beat guys having quotes and articles of players saying that Butler didn't play well and it was not surprising that his role got minimized.

And yes it has been discussed dozens of times. Just because you might not have been there doesn't give you any respite.

hearing people like you and tommybrady12 say things like "Butler was caught with weed" "Butler is an achololic" and "players said hes at fault" and then asking for you to back up your claim, and then never backing up your claim. IMO don't count as discussions.

I've provided you with three actual quotes of actions by the players.

The simple fact is, no matter how poorly butler had practiced or played leading up to the superbowl(which couldn't have been that bad considering he played 98% of the snaps up til that point. He didn't get a single defensive snap in the superbowl. A game where the patriots gave up over 40 points

That's the sort of coaching decision that makes players like Brady question if BB is really win at all costs, or if hes more Win as long as it doesn't hurt my Pride. Without Brady i don't think a good chunk of the offensive side of the ball stick around with the patriots.
 
I’m sure you felt bad for him during deflategate.

I’m getting your point, but it’s not as if the man can’t have struggles just because of his success. He earned all of those things you listed above for a damn good reason.
I actually DID feel bad for him during framegate because it was an injustice. I don't believe the man is immune to challenges and struggles in life, nor do I dispute the fact he earned all that he has. I just don't think it serves anyone for him to publicly complain about feeling underappreciated.
 
I guess it is time to hire a guy to run around the sideline and let the receivers know not to jump into the faces of other players. Or the long snapper to properly secure the ball. Or a ST standout player to wrap up properly. Or the QB to throw the ball to the open guy who will get a first down instead of waiting for the intermediate route to develop. I mean how could professionals that have been playing this at that level for many years possibly know any of that ? Right ?

Bademosi’s missed tackle and Richards covering Ertz don’t happen with a better defensive game plan laid out. McCourty playing in the box and instead playing deep to utilize his range doesn’t happen with a better defensive game plan laid out. Chung covering Ertz in key moments instead of Agholor happens with a better defensive game plan laid out. These are very simple concepts that I don’t think you’re failing to grasp. Instead, I merely think you don’t want to.

Will mistakes still happen? Sure. But a better defensive game plan LIMITS them in a game where one more stop was the difference between an L and a W. Hence the point: the game was lost before kickoff due to the suspect game plan laid out by the coaching staff on defense.

Those are fundamental mistakes that have nothing to do with what player is on the field and what the situation is. But sure lets absolve the players who ****ed
up the most basic things and put all blame on the coaches.

As has just been pointed out to you above, many of those mistakes have everything to do with the player that is on the field and the role they're playing. They were put into that position by the game plan that was laid out.

Are you ****ing ******ed ? Did you hit your head hard on something ? Seriously do you have issues with comprehending the English language ?

I would certainly hope not for your sake. Considering the ease with which I'm handing you your head. That wouldn't reflect well on you. Your anger and the subsequent ad hominem are noted (and laughed at), though. The latter is typically a sign that your opponent knows that he either has no argument or a losing one.

I have been saying for months that the gameplan was not good. Even in the post you are quoting.

And if you would take a second to stop and think about it, you would realize that you're actually agreeing with me.

Who cares ? Does it make any difference if it is 20:80, 40:60 or 50:50 ?

You could have had the best gameplan of all time and if your players play like they did you might still end up empty handed.

Not when a better game plan both puts those players in better positions to succeed (McCourty, Chung) or takes them off the field altogether (Richards, Badmosi).

The reality is that the situation is considerably more nuanced than "the game was lost before it began". But keep talking yourself even deeper into a hole.

Not really. It's actually pretty black and white. You're unsuccessfully trying to introduce shades of grey that don't argue away my central point while, at the same time, establishing my point as the correct one.
 
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when it comes to Brady, it comes down to the existence of Garoppolo and the fact that JG was the guy BB wanted to have as part of the future

The way things played out, Brady had no option but to swallow all of his emotions and appear to be the penultimate good soldier......when Garoppolo was traded, the pressure was off and he was ready to push back on BB.......the fact that Kraft Jr said 'Brady has earned the right to decide when he goes' could not have flown well with BB

the notion that Brady doesn't feel appreciated has to be directed at BB since the Krafts washed his testicles in public.

regardless of everything else, in this moment and looking to the future, we got rid of the wrong QB......call me crazy, but I sense this is not going to end well
 
I actually DID feel bad for him during framegate because it was an injustice. I don't believe the man is immune to challenges and struggles in life, nor do I dispute the fact he earned all that he has. I just don't think it serves anyone for him to publicly complain about feeling underappreciated.


nobody is innocent.....not even Brady
 
Game's over. We lost. There is no changing it. The only thing we can do is win the next one. It's on to 2018.

the issue is 2018 is now a powderkeg. if you thought things were tough last year with all the drama, now take that and add in the fact that there are some players who feel like BB let his pride cost them a superbowl.

Players like Gronk are publically talking about maybe not wanting to play anymore.

Amendola, the guy who took pay cut after pay cut after pay cut, suddenly bounces and **** talks BB in the press.

Brady went from I'm going to play till i'm not good any more to "i'm not enjoying it as much as i used too" He's had time to calm down and is recommitted, but how long till BB does something to rub him the wrong way before TB12 decides hes kind of over it?

This isn't the same as when BB cut Milloy and the whole "the patriots hate their coach" drama. This is actual dysfunction at the top tier players who sacrifice to stay with the patriots, only to see the coach not put the best players on the field.
 
the issue is 2018 is now a powderkeg. if you thought things were tough last year with all the drama, now take that and add in the fact that there are some players who feel like BB let his pride cost them a superbowl.

Players like Gronk are publically talking about maybe not wanting to play anymore.

Amendola, the guy who took pay cut after pay cut after pay cut, suddenly bounces and **** talks BB in the press.

Brady went from I'm going to play till i'm not good any more to "i'm not enjoying it as much as i used too" He's had time to calm down and is recommitted, but how long till BB does something to rub him the wrong way before TB12 decides hes kind of over it?

This isn't the same as when BB cut Milloy and the whole "the patriots hate their coach" drama. This is actual dysfunction at the top tier players who sacrifice to stay with the patriots, only to see the coach not put the best players on the field.


Brady is butthurt because BB believed it prudent to plan the future with a 26 year old QB rather than a 41 year old QB
 
You are missing the entire point I was trying to make. I am not blaming Brady for the loss but I am pointing out that everyone screwed up. And if you want to blame the lineman for giving up the pressure that led to the strip sack then you have to blame Brady for not throwing the ball to White who was open underneath for about 2 seconds ready to get another first down.

You will find fault at all levels for why the game was lost. Anyone blaming only the defense or coaching is just scapegoating.

You right about that. Should not blame anyone for that loss unless you want to blame everyone. Getting to that game is a great achievement, sometimes the offense does more than the defense and vice versa throughout the season. It was a group effort to get there and as a team they lost. I do fault not letting Butler play though, especially when B.B. has always told us that he always wants to put the best players in the field and then keeps one of ours out. It’s seems such a selfis move in regards to it’s effect on the team. Butler was crying on the sidelines and to not forgive whatever grievance after halftime just appears vindictive, especially when he knows he’s not resigning him anyways. As others said, I would feel better losing if we had all our best players playing.
 
hearing people like you and tommybrady12 say things like "Butler was caught with weed" "Butler is an achololic" and "players said hes at fault" and then asking for you to back up your claim, and then never backing up your claim. IMO don't count as discussions.

I have not once said anything like that or implied it was disciplinary. The fact that you put me into a bin with those loonies just shows you have not really participated in the discussion at all.

The reality is that Butler played a pretty bad overall season and then got benched at the end. Whether it was correct not to sub him in after halftime to try a couple things is a different story. But if you miss some of the prep week with a illness and then are **** in practice leading up to the SB you can't be surprised if you are not starting.
 
This isn't the same as when BB cut Milloy and the whole "the patriots hate their coach" drama. This is actual dysfunction at the top tier players who sacrifice to stay with the patriots, only to see the coach not put the best players on the field.

Sounds like it is time to get rid of those players if they can't respect the coaches.
 
Another goddam Butler thread.

Get used to it. When you make a simple, correct, assertion that the game plan on defense lost the game and make that point even excluding Butler and people still lose their minds over it, it'll be a conversation that will be had for many months/years to come.
 
I have not once said anything like that or implied it was disciplinary. The fact that you put me into a bin with those loonies just shows you have not really participated in the discussion at all.

The reality is that Butler played a pretty bad overall season and then got benched at the end. Whether it was correct not to sub him in after halftime to try a couple things is a different story. But if you miss some of the prep week with a illness and then are **** in practice leading up to the SB you can't be surprised if you are not starting.

Matter of fact, you have not said anything of substance at all. I've provided actual sources, you again, have provided nothing of substance.

He played so bad he played 98% of the defensive snaps most on the team. What a garbage player.

Not starting, and getting zero snaps are two VERY different things. The outcome of the game speaks volumes.

Again provide a source. ONE SINGLE SOURCE with a reason for why butler got ZERO snaps in the Superbowl where the defensive couldn't get a third down stop. JUST ONE. please ONE its all i ask.
 
Not really. It's actually pretty black and white. You're unsuccessfully trying to introduce shades of grey that don't argue away my central point while, at the same time, establishing my point as the correct one.

I have dismantled your argument pretty throroughly and you keep coming back to some absurd claims about it being black and white when it is pretty obvious that everyone is at fault.

But hang on to your opinion that it is the coaches fault that long snappers mishandle snaps, receivers jump **** first into opponents, quarterbacks turn the ball over, lineman allow sacks and whatnot..

The idea that Bademosi missed the tackle because he was put into a position where he can't succeed is pretty telling. He is one of the best tacklers on ST and had an open field tackle in front of him. He wraps the guy up 98 out of 100 times. This time he didn't but according to you it is the coaches fault.

Absurd.. done with this conversation because your opinions are just pure garbage.
 
Again provide a source. ONE SINGLE SOURCE with a reason for why butler got ZERO snaps in the Superbowl where the defensive couldn't get a third down stop. JUST ONE. please ONE its all i ask.

Told you where to search. I will not waste my own time just because you are too lazy to do research yourself.

But here.. an example from Giardi:

 
Told you where to search. I will not waste my own time just because you are too lazy to do research yourself.

It's funny how you all give that same exact response.

I did do research, I provided you with three sources from team captains all who say butler didn't do anything wrong, Liked posts that said butler should have played, or openly stated that Butler should have been on the field.

I'm guess you drink your own koolaid though. Since you only seem to spout nonsense, and have no interest in backing up your nonsense, ill group you with the dude who said Butler was "an alcoholic, got caught with weed, and punched steve belichick in the face."
 
I am sick and tired of this BS media angle.... Go out there and find me someone who LOVES their place of work and LOVES their boss...go on...I'll wait....

Total non-story....

18 weeks and 5 days to kick off....that's what F-ing matters, baby!
 
It's funny how you all give that same exact response.

I did do research, I provided you with three sources from team captains all who say butler didn't do anything wrong, Liked posts that said butler should have played, or openly stated that Butler should have been on the field.

I'm guess you drink your own koolaid though.

You are the worst kind of poster. Uninformed and lazy..
 
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