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[Zuma]

Zuma: Meyers been good on a mediocre Patriots Offensive team doesn't make him all world. You are getting use to mediocrity the Patriots WR's stink! bottom of the league receivers.

"all world". Ok

 

[PScottman]

He's a bonafide elite WR1.

Who has been basically erased in every playoff game he's played except one.

Deandre Hopkins Playoff Stats | StatMuse

DeAndre Hopkins had 40 catches for 475 yards and scored 2 touchdowns in 9 games in the playoffs in his career.

www.statmuse.com

Add that to his age.

Now he is a low risk for injury - so he plays - that's a positive.

DeAndre Hopkins Injury History & Updates

DeAndre Hopkins injury history and detailed analysis. Stay informed on his health trends and how they impact his fantasy football value.

www.draftsharks.com

He knows the playbook from his time under BOB - also positive.

Is going to cost a lot of capital to get. (neither positive or negative - entirely opinion dependent)

I'm just not sure the gonkulator (not to be confused with the Gronkulator) the Patriots use (probably devised by Ernie Adams esq.) will determine he's a target for them to go out and get.

 

[PatsFan2]

"all world". Ok

I am hanging my hat on Bob coming from the College game having a huge say regarding who we Draft at WR its still a NEED. Bob now onboard maybe a blessing in disguise for the Patriots to finally hit on one it's been a very very very long time.

 

[Kasmir]

Exactly game was literally over @ half time then Cinci feel asleep Patricia's Offense can do that to you and another screen pass.

Exactly! Just like the Atlanta Superbowl!

 

[upstater1]

Name a Patriots WR in the BB era who went to be all world for their next Team?? Still waiting.....

Buyer Beware!

What do you mean All-World?

We have no one here who was All-World and left.

Do you mean WRs who did as well elsewhere as they did here?

Well, Welker, Amendola, Cooks, LaFell, Gaffney, Branch... they all had seasons like the ones they had in New England after they left.

 

[upstater1]

Gabe Davis is a Deep threat no comparisons there also 20 career TD's to Meyers 8.

He's way overrated; you overrate him by a lot. Guy drops balls all the time, 50% on targets, can't run routes. The complaints about him in Buffalo come weekly. They want him replaced. He has killed so many of their drives this year. Even against the Patriots a few weeks ago he had multiple drops.

One game doesn't make your entire career.

 

[PScottman]

Davis had a disappointing season but he had more yards, Y/R and TDs than Meyers. I like Meyers but he's NOT a "massive upgrade" over Davis. Meyers has 8 TDs in 60 regular season games. Davis has 20 TDs in 47 regular season games. That alone makes Davis better. Davis also has 22 receptions for 474 yards (21.5 Y/R) and 6 TDs in 7 playoff games.

It's very similar to arguing a home run hitter who strikes out a lot versus a guy with a good average that only hits singles and doubles.

Teams need both to be successful, but only a few have the five-tool home run hitter with a good average that also hits singles and doubles.

 

[Kasmir]

I know I'm being pedantic, but would folks here please stop posting BOB's name backwards?

Are you suggesting that some of us are dysclectic?

 

[upstater1]

It's very similar to arguing a home run hitter who strikes out a lot versus a guy with a good average that only hits singles and doubles.

Teams need both to be successful, but only a few have the five-tool home run hitter with a good average that also hits singles and doubles.

But it's also a matter of complementing the other player. So, a singles hitter who gets on base batting before a home run hitter, that will get you more runs than 2 home run hitters back to back.

 

[Steve102]

Zuma: Meyers been good on a mediocre Patriots Offensive team doesn't make him all world. You are getting use to mediocrity the Patriots WR's stink! bottom of the league receivers.

Why? Because Tom Brady hated him as a rookie? He's not Randy Moss, but he's not N'keal Freakin' Harry either. He's exactly what I said earlier, he's a serviceable NFL receiver. Nothing more. He's going to get paid a lot of money because that what the market (@raduray) will demand.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Why? Because Tom Brady hated him as a rookie? He's not Randy Moss, but he's not N'keal Freakin' Harry either. He's exactly what I said earlier, he's a serviceable NFL receiver. Nothing more. He's going to get paid a lot of money because that what the market (@raduray) will demand.

He has said that he wants to stay. I hope they can figure it out so he will stay. He seems to be on the Troy Brown and Edelman track where he steadily improves to become a very effective player.

 

[crawhammer]

They ARE different types of receivers. Regardless...I'd rather have a receiver with above average catching skills then one that can only catch the ball half the time. Move the chains.

I've got some bad news for your 'move the chains' argument. This season 73% of Davis' receptions resulted in first downs while 57% of Meyers' receptions resulted in first downs (big advantage for Davis). If you want to pick on Davis for his catch percentage, well then, 38% of his targets still resulted in first downs while 40% of Meyers' targets resulted in first downs (so only slightly higher for Meyers). Better yet for Davis, 15% of his receptions resulted in TDs while 9% of Meyers receptions resulted in TDs. So Davis' receptions account for a higher percentage of both TDs and first downs.

 

[Zuma]

I've got some bad news for your 'move the chains' argument. This season 73% of Davis' receptions resulted in first downs while 57% of Meyers' receptions resulted in first downs (big advantage for Davis). If you want to pick on Davis for his catch percentage, well then, 38% of his targets still resulted in first downs while 40% of Meyers' targets resulted in first downs (so only slightly higher for Meyers). Better yet for Davis, 15% of his receptions resulted in TDs while 9% of Meyers receptions resulted in TDs. So Davis' receptions account for a higher percentage of both TDs and first downs.

I've got some bad new for you...moving the chains does not only apply to first downs.

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

If Meyers type receivers grew on trees, there'd be a lot more of them in the NFL. We don't know that Bourne could do what Meyers does. So many teams struggle with #2 guys who aren't sharp on their routes and they don't know what spaces to exploit. It would be a big mistake for the Patriots to lose Meyers. Luckily, I'm not sure anyone outside of Vegas knows his value. Better hope the Bills don't get him. He'd be a massive upgrade over Gabe Davis.

I'd be happy to keep Myers but I think he's going to command agalor type money and I wouldn't pay. You've got Parker, Bourne, and Thornton. Can't pay through the nose for a slightly above average player. Let someone else do it

 

[crawhammer]

Who has been basically erased in every playoff game he's played except one.

Deandre Hopkins Playoff Stats | StatMuse

DeAndre Hopkins had 40 catches for 475 yards and scored 2 touchdowns in 9 games in the playoffs in his career.

www.statmuse.com

Add that to his age.

Now he is a low risk for injury - so he plays - that's a positive.

DeAndre Hopkins Injury History & Updates

DeAndre Hopkins injury history and detailed analysis. Stay informed on his health trends and how they impact his fantasy football value.

www.draftsharks.com

He knows the playbook from his time under BOB - also positive.

Is going to cost a lot of capital to get. (neither positive or negative - entirely opinion dependent)

I'm just not sure the gonkulator (not to be confused with the Gronkulator) the Patriots use (probably devised by Ernie Adams esq.) will determine he's a target for them to go out and get.

He thinks BOB is a douche. He's not coming here.

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

What he's able to get IS market value. That's how markets work.

Haha... Is that what happened to jonnu smith? There's what everyone else is willing to pay then there's what you pay. I guess that's how the draft works too and why mcvay laughs at your first round guard.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here...are you saying you're glad that BoB is not from the south?

Plus, BoB presided over some of the best offenses in the dynasty era. I wouldn't say that's a guy who managed not to fail.

Deliverance takes place in West Virginia, which is only WEST Virginia because it seceded from Virginia when Virginia seceded, and hence is a poah, ah say poah choice for your regional slander. What I'm saying is not that, nor is it the equally infuriating "your mom got so wet last I saw her Biden had to send a battalion of infantry to stack sandbags around her bed," because that would also be very rude to say.

Nah, I am saying that BB's tendency toward cronyism and nepotism is not to be trusted. This season's performance pretty much soured me on the "keep going back to people you have personal relationships with or share blood with" theory. My kneejerk reaction is "what's not to love." My reaction after the last 3 years is, well, we know he could do it with previous years' talent. Sure, let's see how it looks with him back on-board.

I'd be perversely thrilled if we'd identified some guy who'd done well somewhere else, who we didn't "know." But BB doesn't work like that. He's a "coaching fraternity" guy. So be it. Nothing against BoB, and yeah my gut says yay, BoB's back. But my brain says wait, there are so few guys who are good at this that after 2 or 3 of them, we just default to nobody? Good thing one of the 2 or 3 people who can do it was available this year.

I think BB is habitually in fortress mode now. Fresh blood would have been a sign of something good. That said, yep, lots to like about BoB, particularly compared with nobody.

 

[PScottman]

He thinks BOB is a douche. He's not coming here.

The amount of posters who have absolute knowledge of other peoples thoughts, hopes, attitudes, future decisions and other aspects of one's persona continues to amaze me.

Do I think the Patriots are even going to try to get him here? No, but do I have any insight on the person and what they would think about it? Also no.

 

[Lansdowne]

Meyers is a good NFL receiver. But he doesn’t move the needle as a “weapon”. He’s a solid possession receiver, but not a guy that takes over games. No team is losing sleep trying to gameplan for him. Think Jabar Gaffney in his Denver and Washington years. The two even have similar 17-game averages in production.

Gaffney from 2009-2011 averaged 66 rec, 905 yds, 3 TD per 17 games played

Meyers from 2020-2022 averaged 79 rec, 906 yds, 3 TD per 17 games played

Gaffney was a guy best used as a 3rd receiver. If he’s your top guy you’re screwed. Meyers will likely be paid well to be another team’s #2 WR.

The Pats got a major return on investment out of Meyers. A big UDFA value. But now he’ll get his money and it’s not going to be worth tying up cap space to when even just keeping Meyers doesn’t do enough for the offense. The better bet is hoping they find the next Meyers on the cheap via the rookie class.

Only way the Pats are getting a true stud receiver is if they get lucky in the Draft (history says unlikely) or by trade. The entire WR free agent market is underwhelming. A lot of Agholors.

 

[crawhammer]

I've got some bad new for you...moving the chains does not only apply to first downs.

Meyers averages 11.7 yards per reception.
Davis averages 16.8 yards per reception.

Yards, first downs, TDs... Davis, Davis, Davis

Other than your opinion, can you show me anything that indicates Meyers is a better overall WR than Davis??