Belichick Breaks down what he looks for in a WR

[Huckleberry1]

Not at all it’s just imagine where we would of been at if Tom had Legit weapons the last 4 years.

Short on the rest of the team needed to win championships.

 

[gobesmug]

Yep, and he should be measured by his achievements in the context of what his opposing coaches and GM’s achieved over the past 20 years. Belichick won 6 Lombardi’s, 9 Conference Championships, and over 200 games as well as 30 playoff games.

Your turn, show us who did anything close to better, and you don’t get to combine 3 of them?

Criticism is fine, fantasyland is garbage.

What did he do without Brady?

Also I never said he didn't deserve praise but acting like he is infallible and beyond criticism is pathetic

 

[Zuma]

This is a message board to discuss the Pats. This isn't a bill Belichick fan site. He deserves his well deserved criticism of sucking at drafting WRs and causing the GOAT to leave.

 

[DarrylS]

What did he do without Brady?

Also I never said he didn't deserve praise but acting like he is infallible and beyond criticism is pathetic

He drafted and allowed Brady to QB this team, not sure if you remember the brouhaha about when he let Brady continue after Bledsoe was well enough to play QB?? There were more than his share of detractors over his alleged promise to Bledsoe, however he stood fast.

The NFL is not ping pong, it is a team based sport that relies on others.. do to single out Brady as the sole reason for his success is folly and minimizes the impact of all those players who have played on this team since he has been HC. Also need a HC coach to make sure all the moving parts function..

 

[Deus Irae]

 

[Huckleberry1]

What did he do without Brady?

Also I never said he didn't deserve praise but acting like he is infallible and beyond criticism is pathetic

He picked Brady, traded a $100 million QB to stick with him, and developed him. Now show us who else achieved anything close to what he achieved, or shut your stupid pie hole.*

*My apology if you are only 4 years old and don’t know any better.

 

[gobesmug]

He picked Brady, traded a $100 million QB to stick with him, and developed him. Now show us who else achieved anything close to what he achieved, or shut your stupid pie hole.*

*My apology if you are only 4 years old and don’t know any better.

Personal attacks because you can't handle the truth?

Bill deserves a lot of accolades and will end up in the HOF where he belongs.

Brady is the GOAT but he is slow and constantly gets shat on for it through out his career. It's well deserved criticism because it's true. It doesn't take away from his greatness to acknowledge his weaknesses.

Same with Bill, he has made a lot more great decisions than poor decisions. But his great decisions doesn't mean he is above the criticism for his poor decisions.

 

[gobesmug]

He drafted and allowed Brady to QB this team, not sure if you remember the brouhaha about when he let Brady continue after Bledsoe was well enough to play QB?? There were more than his share of detractors over his alleged promise to Bledsoe, however he stood fast.

The NFL is not ping pong, it is a team based sport that relies on others.. do to single out Brady as the sole reason for his success is folly and minimizes the impact of all those players who have played on this team since he has been HC. Also need a HC coach to make sure all the moving parts function..

Absolutely remember all of it. My brother was the biggest Bledsoe fan and was rooting for Brady to get injured so Bledsoe could get his starting spot back.

I hated Bledsoe and his dumb patting of the football before every throw delaying his passes and allowing the DBs an extra split second to adjust.

I instantly became a Brady fan because I saw how much better he ran the offense. He found the open receivers and took what the defense gave him.

Yeah Bill deserves credit for sticking with Brady, not so much for drafting as that belongs to the Qav coach who pleaded for Bill to draft him. Can't recall his name but he was the one that sadly died of cancer early into Brady's career.

To contrast Bills great decision to stick with Brady even when Bledsoe was healthy, I always remember when the Bills starting QB got hurt and Flutie took over and led the team to the playoffs only for the HC to play the young franchise QB in the playoffs and lose horribly.

 

[A Defiant Goose]

This is a message board to discuss the Pats. This isn't a bill Belichick fan site. He deserves his well deserved criticism of sucking at drafting WRs and causing the GOAT to leave.

BB didn't cause Brady to leave, Brady's undeniable traitor gene did

 

[Bill Lee]

Not at all it’s just imagine where we would of been at if Tom had Legit weapons the last 4 years.

PIT has given Ben legit weapons his whole career and he has two Super Bowls.

Whatever weaknesses Bill has on drafting gets vastly exceeded by all the other things he does well.

It's asinine to whine on and on about weaknesses and ignore strengths, you end up sounding like a spoiled b!tch...

 

[Captain Cliche]

This has been debated ad nauseum.
Brady threw 3 picks in a playoff game last season and the Bucks won DESPITE Brady's piss poor performance.
Brady threw a brutal pick in the Seattle Super Bowl that led to a touchdown and was bailed out by the DEFENSE in the end.
Brady threw a brutal pick 6 in the Super Bowl against the Falcons.
Let's bash Tom Brady for all those screwups.

The most complete team is usually the one that wins the Super Bowl every year...that includes defense and special teams.
Brady is the GOAT...AT HIS POSITION.

He gets way too much credit for the dynasty that Bill Belichick built.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Yep, and he should be measured by his achievements in the context of what his opposing coaches and GM’s achieved over the past 20 years. Belichick won 6 Lombardi’s, 9 Conference Championships, and over 200 games as well as 30 playoff games.

Your turn, show us who did anything close to better, and you don’t get to combine 3 of them?

Criticism is fine, fantasyland is garbage.

You’re right…comparing Bill to other coaches, Bill has done more than anyone and is probably the greatest ever.

Comparing the best coach ever to the best player ever is absolutely asinine, in any sport. For whatever reason fans want to claim that Belichick’s impact is greater than Brady’s impact, which forces people to take sides.

Coaches have a fraction of the impact of all-time great players. It is proven year after year after year in sport after sport after sport. Players can replicate success with other coaches; coaches are totally dependent on players and often one superstar player.

 

[Huckleberry1]

You’re right…comparing Bill to other coaches, Bill has done more than anyone and is probably the greatest ever.

Comparing the best coach ever to the best player ever is absolutely asinine, in any sport. For whatever reason fans want to claim that Belichick’s impact is greater than Brady’s impact, which forces people to tale sides.

Coaches have a fraction of the impact of all-time great players. It is proven year after year after year in sport after sport after sport. Players can replicate success with other coaches; coaches are totally dependent on players and often one superstar player.

Disagree on this, putting together a championship football team takes more than a superstar player, which is why so many superstars go ringless. Belichick put together multiple dynasty teams and Brady led many of them to championships. I think in basketball you are right, but it’s not true in the other major sports in my opinion.

 

[PScottman]

Not at all it’s just imagine where we would of been at if Tom had Legit weapons the last 4 years.

The exact same place - the real world where hindsight is a mythical exercise in trying to feel superior.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Disagree on this, putting together a championship football team takes more than a superstar player, which is why so many superstars go ringless. Belichick put together multiple dynasty teams and Brady led many of them to championships. I think in basketball you are right, but it’s not true in the other major sports in my opinion.

I wouldn’t say so many superstar QBs have gone ringless. There’s a reason why people always bring up Dan Marino as a generational great with no titles: he’s a major outlier. Of the consensus top 40/50 QBs of all-time, only Moon, Marino, Kelly, Tittle, and Tarkenton went without a championship, and Kelly (4), Tittle (3), and Tarkenton (3) were often in the championship game. In today’s NFL, you have to go all the way down to Matt Ryan to find the best QB with no ring, because Brady, Rodgers, Manning, Roethlisberger, Mahomes, Wilson, and Brees have them. And Ryan got very close…after him, I don’t even know who’d be next. Rivers?

 

[Huckleberry1]

I wouldn’t say so many superstar QBs have gone ringless. There’s a reason why people always bring up Dan Marino as a generational great with no titles: he’s a major outlier. Of the consensus top 40/50 QBs of all-time, only Moon, Marino, Kelly, Tittle, and Tarkenton went without a championship, and Kelly (4), Tittle (3), and Tarkenton (3) were often in the championship game. In today’s NFL, you have to go all the way down to Matt Ryan to find the best QB with no ring, because Brady, Rodgers, Manning, Roethlisberger, Mahomes, Wilson, and Brees have them. And Ryan got very close…after him, I don’t even know who’d be next. Rivers?

You moved the goalposts, but I still disagree. Even if you go with the greatest QB’s of all time the percentage of Championships to career years is tiny, other than Brady, Bradshaw, and Montana. Then take into account all of the all time great players they were surrounded with and how hard it was for them to win championships. Montana was surrounded by Hall of Famers, in an exceptional Organization, same goes for Bradshaw and Brady, and that’s over a 1/4 of all Super Bowl wins.

However, unlike the Packers, Dolphins, 49ers, Steelers, and Cowboys Belichick built multiple Dynasty’s within one overall generational Dynasty. Only Vince Wilfork was with Brady when the beat Seattle, which was the 1st of 3 more Lombardi’s.

Throughout that run they averaged the 28th pick in the draft, and had every aspect of their teams raided by other franchises paying to get winners. And throughout that span they were in the running every year.

Brady is the GOAT, no question about it, but he got there through his relationship with Belichick and the organization, he didn’t do it by himself.

 

[Huckleberry1]

And Belichick does suck at picking WR’s in the draft.

 

[Captain Cliche]

5 head has 2 rings (one by a dominant D in Denver ).
A-aron has 1.
Brees has 1.
They played on teams with sucky defenses.

Hate to quote Cam...but...Brady had the advantage of playing in a great system.

Brady plays quarterback.

He does not coach.
He does not draft (needs improvement).
He does not build team depth.
He does not make personnel decisions.
He does not make financial decisions.
He does not replenish poached coaching positions.
BB is in charge of all the above.

Other than drafting, he is phenomenal at all of the above.

Oh, BTW, Brady does not play defense.
He does not play special teams.

 

[203Pat]

Team Bill as delicate as ever I see.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Team Bill as delicate as ever I see.

Yep, supporting the guy who brought NE the greatest dynasty in NFL history is so stupid.