Bedard's source says Maye isn't ready to start and there are things with the offense that he is "working through"

[Force Zero Boomer]

How much simpler can it get? Honest question. I mean they look about as simple as any team can be. I think they are on par with my mid-90's high school football offense of power I and T. Three yards and a cloud of dust.

I was thinking the same thing. I don't see how this report can be true, because if it is, the Patriots now are proven to have the dumbest leadership group in all of football.

 

[Toofy]

The best thing that can happen is brissett going off to IR and we signing zappe off KC PS and make him starter for 3 -4 more games. This will help solidify offensive line and develop our wide receivers .

Then start maye at week 9 or week 10. By then our Oline will have a sense of continuity.

 

[The Gr8est]

Not sure if that's sarcasm, but he's the primary reason we are where we are now. Not the only reason, but the primary one. The buck stops with him.

I’ll make it clear.

Bob Kraft had ALWAYS backed the league instead of his players whenever there was a conflict. Exhibit A and B are Spygate and Deflategate.

He got lucky with BB, and that was a move that could have easily blown up in his face.

The Jets did a clear manipulation to force BB into their HC role to keep him away from the Pats.

It was legal only in a technical sense, but the league should have stepped in and allowed BB to leave.

Bob first said he wouldn’t give up a 1st round pick to release BB from his contact, then quickly remembered who he was and caved.

He gave up a 1st round pick for an unproven HC. The fact that it worked out was pure luck.

Bob had nothing to do with Pats getting Brady, and that solidified the dynasty.

I will celebrate when/if they ever sell the Pats, even though they could get someone worse. Hopefully not but it is always a risk.

In the league’s eyes, I can see why he would be viewed as HOF level, from an overall league business development aspect.

From a team/fans perspective, he is greatly lacking.

 

[Ring 6]

It's very apparent to me. They are thinking we don't want to screw the QB up like we did with Mac. So put our #3 pick and out best chance to win and look competent to attract FAs next year in a glass case. Pathetic plan

Right that’s not a plan, or at least not one I can get behind.

Essentially they are saying this:

Winning in the NFL is about overcoming adversity, playing under difficult circumstances, figuring out how to win against a team that may be better, gutting it out and making plays under pressure. No position is more representative of that than QB where the ones who win championships at some point have to put a team that is struggling on their back and overcome blocking issues, mistakes, dropped passes, etc to make clutch plays and win.
So since we drafted the guy we want to become THAT QB it is our plan to shield him from having to play in less than perfect conditions and avoid adversity.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Counterpoint: if he was truly ready, he'd be playing. There's no incentive to bench him if he's actually ready. He's come in, look much better, you'd at least have something to give the fans a bit of hope for the future. The biggest reason to not play him is if they are worried that he can't handle it right now and will look bad, it will effect his confidence and the fanbase might reject him.

No incentive? With our atrocious OL play? Are you saying that there's no heightened injury risk? Asking a guy who is a raw rookie to play under great duress defies logic, especially in a lost season. Fan service with this level of risk for serious injury is absurd.

 

[Ring 6]

The best thing that can happen is brissett going off to IR and we signing zappe off KC PS and make him starter for 3 -4 more games. This will help solidify offensive line and develop our wide receivers .

Then start maye at week 9 or week 10. By then our Oline will have a sense of continuity.

The best thing that could happen would be to put Maye on the field and let him gain experience in a season the front office gave up on in march.
The Drake Maye that starts the 2025 season will be proportionately better based upon the number of snaps he plays in 2024.
I’d rather end up 1-16 with maye getting 800 snaps of experience than 4-13 with him getting done. But we also know the bonus result is that offense will improve as soon as he hits the field.

 

[Ring 6]

No incentive? With our atrocious OL play? Are you saying that there's no heightened injury risk? Asking a guy who is a raw rookie to play under great duress defies logic, especially in a lost season. Fan service with this level of risk for serious injury is absurd.

Asking your QBOTF to play under great duress is what a staff with a vision and a real goal to become champions would do in a heartbeat.
The experience he gains under fire on a bad team is the experience needed in post season games when you encounter all of the things he would be dealing with this year, and a championship level qb overcomes.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Right that’s not a plan, or at least not one I can get behind.

Essentially they are saying this:

Winning in the NFL is about overcoming adversity, playing under difficult circumstances, figuring out how to win against a team that may be better, gutting it out and making plays under pressure. No position is more representative of that than QB where the ones who win championships at some point have to put a team that is struggling on their back and overcome blocking issues, mistakes, dropped passes, etc to make clutch plays and win.
So since we drafted the guy we want to become THAT QB it is our plan to shield him from having to play in less than perfect conditions and avoid adversity.

"less than perfect"? Haha. The OL is atrocious, not less than perfect, and no group on the field impacts his ability to succeed and stay healthy more than them. The conditions are so abysmal in fact, it's hard to conceive of a worse situation (without Stevenson it'd be worse, perhaps). There is little to gain from throwing a raw rookie out there, and too much to lose.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Asking your QBOTF to play under great duress is what a staff with a vision and a real goal to become champions would do in a heartbeat.
The experience he gains under fire on a bad team is the experience needed in post season games when you encounter all of the things he would be dealing with this year, and a championship level qb overcomes.

Where did Brady get that experience under great duress? Brady's sack rate for his first 3 seasons were average or below average. I think that guy won a lot of Super Bowls, but I'm not sure.

 

[sb1]

The experience he gains under fire on a bad team is the experience needed in post season games

 

[Ring 6]

I think it’s important to understand there are different philosophies to developing a QB.

One is get him on the field and get him experience. Let him make mistakes and learn from them, while the bullets are flying. You aren’t learning that by watching and you aren’t learning that in practice. This can be hard to do on many teams because you are accepting that the most important player will be mistake prone and sacrificing today to build for the future. If your team stinks it’s easier to do. If you other QB stinks, it’s crazy not to play the kid.

Another is to wait until he has a better chance of playing well. IF he is the right guy, he will get better every week. Even if he isn’t playing he will absorb knowledge, practice technique and know the playbook better. However, if you are also playing in Sundays you get all of that PLUS on field experience and your development accelerates. Put another way, Drake Maye will be better next September than he is today. So if you don’t play him he will develop to some degree and by the time you put him on the forks he will be better than if you played him early. But, Drake Maye will better next September if he plays this year than he will be if he does not. And the more he plays, the bigger the difference.

This is the dichotomy of the topic. It is both true that if you sit him he will be better when he eventually plays, and that if you play him he will be better at that same point than if he sat. If he isn’t “ready” playing accelerates his readiness. If he has things to work on, or “bad habits” addressing them in live action rather than scout teams reps is a better way to fix them.

If your team has a chance to win sitting the rookie is valid. If your team really has no chance to win, and ultimately developing the young QB is the only real chance you do have to win, it is negligent to give those developmental reps to a slug like Brissett.

Tom Brady endorses sitting him. Because Tom Brady knows he played better in 2001 than he would have in 2000 so it seems the best thing for the QB isn’t wait until he will play better and is better prepared before he plays. But I have zero doubt if Brady was asked if he played in 2000 would he have been better when he played in 2001 from the experience he would agree. And the goal here isn’t 2024 it’s 2025 and beyond.


The interesting side effect of the ol and offense in general stinking is that it gives Maye and opportunity to learn to play under adversity.
What made Tom Brady the GOAT wasn’t what he did in first and 10 with a perfect pocket and Moss and Welker wide open. It wasn’t the stats he put up in blowouts. Many QBs put up lofty stats.
What made Brady the GOAT was that more often than anyone who has ever played the game when the **** hit the fan, when you couldn’t run the ball to save your life, when the OL was getting dominated, when the D was getting torched Brady out the team on his back. This is exactly the experience a QB gains when the team around him is bad, bad things that he has to overcome happen more often. The second difference with Brady was not turning the ball over. When do turnovers happen? Under pressure, under duress, when the other 10 on offense break down. Brady had the incredible ability to prevent that from resulting in a turnover. Having your young QB learn in a situation where that pressure happens often accelerates that development. Mac Jones got drafted in round 1 based upon his play when there rarely was any adversity. First read was open all the time, pass blocking was great.
When he came to the NFL he never learned how to deal with pressure and adversity. He had a good rookie year because McDaniels ran a scheme that made him make only quick short low risk throws. Once defenses started making him deal with adversity he was done. The last month of 2021 was the end and he just spiraled through 2 seasons. We learned he just isn’t an NFL QB
We gs e an opportunity to give Maye a bunch of reps under a high rate of pressure and adversity to gain experience in the most vital aspect of QB success and we are passing up that opportunity.

 

[Ring 6]

Where did Brady get that experience under great duress? Brady's sack rate for his first 3 seasons were average or below average. I think that guy won a lot of Super Bowls, but I'm not sure.

Brady played at first behind an average at best OL with well below average weapons. In 2002 he had to carry the team. Until 2007 the entire structure of the team was to win close game ms and make plays in pressure situations.

The snow bowl? The SB winning drive?
Brady is a shinnng example of what I am taking about.


And by the way. Every qb deals with duress. Everything a patriot Qb would deal with this year is exactly the same thing every other QB deals with. The difference is the frequency. Every QB is harassed by a pass rush whether it’s 4 times a game or 10. Every qb has receivers not win on routes when it’s common or not so common.
Championship QBs will almost always have to carry their team through a game where they are facing a high level of it.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Maye needs to play asap. When will it be the right situation for him? When Wolf builds a Pro Bowl o-line? Almost the entire line needs to be upgraded so that’s going to take some time to even become competent. How about paying $30M+ for a WR?

Don’t worry, Maye’s playing soon.

 

[Ring 6]

"less than perfect"? Haha. The OL is atrocious, not less than perfect, and no group on the field impacts his ability to succeed and stay healthy more than them. The conditions are so abysmal in fact, it's hard to conceive of a worse situation (without Stevenson it'd be worse, perhaps). There is little to gain from throwing a raw rookie out there, and too much to lose.

What you gain is experience.
Look at it this way.
I think we can agree that dealing with pressure is the must defining characteristic of a qb.
Do you think Maye gains more experience in dealing with pressure if he sees it in 50% of his snaps or 20%?

He isn’t going to be dealing with anything every QB in the league doesn’t deal with, it’s just more frequent, which actually helps him develop in that area.

If you fix the OL and pressure comes 20% of the time, at that point is Maye more capable on those 20% of plays if he held a clipboard or if he played through when it was 50% and had to sink or swim?

 

[Ring 6]

Maye needs to play asap. When will it be the right situation for him? When Wolf builds a Pro Bowl o-line? Almost the entire line needs to be upgraded so that’s going to take some time to even become competent. How about paying $30M+ for a WR?

Don’t worry, Maye’s playing soon.

It’s not a matter, as some are implying, of 100% pressure due to the OL or zero.
It’s more like worse case 50 best case 20.
So in 30 pass attempts you are talking about 15 under duress instead of 6.

When the OL is complete and he can play a game with 6 pressures dies he handle this 6 better if he held a clipboard or played while he was getting pressure 15 times?

Moreover if he gains experience while under pressure his much better will he become at running through progressions and making decisions quickly, when there isn’t pressure?

Experience is gained through adversity, but that opportunity is being blown right now.

 

[borg]

Maye needs to play asap. When will it be the right situation for him? When Wolf builds a Pro Bowl o-line?

Is there a new "group category" for Pro Bowl?

Almost the entire line needs to be upgraded

8 have been drafted in the past 3 seasons.
Wolf and Groh were giving personnel input during this time?
Are we expecting better from this roster assembly team?

 

[Ring 6]

Is there a new "group category" for Pro Bowl?

8 have been drafted in the past 3 seasons.
Wolf and Groh were giving personnel input during this time?
Are we expecting better from this roster assembly team?

I think its safe to say Wolf is not a good OL
evaluator.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

It's very apparent to me. They are thinking we don't want to screw the QB up like we did with Mac. So put our #3 pick and out best chance to win and look competent to attract FAs next year in a glass case. Pathetic plan

I think it’s more self preservation from the coaches. They are afraid to make the decision . They don’t want it to backfire. They are waiting for Brissett to get injured and to make the decision for themselves.

The sooner Drake start the sooner everybody we’ll see that AVP isn’t a good coordinator.

If he wasn’t ready to play he wouldn’t be the backup.

 

[TomPatriot]

Thought I’d just drop this bit from Rodgers right here. Apologies if it has been posted here before.

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

It just looks like they think he could macjones out ie lose all confidence/cry when hit with adversity, which I don’t think is the case. They don’t want a repeat and are being careful much to our displeasure…