Bedard: There was second guessing about Mayo over summer and him getting a second year isn't guaranteed

[Thelonious]

I think you're missing the point.

It's not that they would be appreciative of an ability to analyze good coaching. It's the reverse of that. They have evidence that the Krafts are incapable of understanding what good coaching is.

So when you come here and you need the patience to build something cohesive and coherent, you have almost no rope to do it.

So why would you?

They need a strong HC to put this mess right anyway, so the Krafts would be wise to hire someone who will insist on the central role in hiring the entire staff, GM included, and they ought hire a bevy of old-hand advisors to assist them is running an actual hiring process, for a change. I certainly agree there is ample evidence the Krafts ought not rely much at all on their own judgment (or whims) in hiring the next management team.

 

[yukon cornelius]

The ultimate thing is that frankly the Patriots were not expected to be good this year. Most reasonable people had that perception going into the season. So yes, fans are being prisoners of the moment because they are upset at seeing what many people knew was coming, but nothing has really been surprising. Especially if you factor injuries on the line and defense into the equation. Does it suck? Yeah. But it is what it is.

Mayo probably would need more PR flops before a chance of him getting canned manifests. 1-6 isn't going to do it, because 1-6 isn't far off from what most people thought.

W/Ls are not surprising

the lack of discipline, the uninspired play, the players collectively acting like morons, the lack of preparedness, the lack of any grit......these were not expected

i expected a young team with a young coach that at the very least came out and played hard every week, even if short on talent, with an arrow that trended up as the season went along

outside of the play of drake may, i've seen the exact opposite, and the discipline, the level of play, the desire, the preparedness seems to be getting worse as we go along.......that is not because of talent or a lack there of it

 

[mike_usagisan]

One more thing from Perry's AMA:

Do you think Mayo has lost the room already with all of the players griping in public (Boutte being the latest?

It's interesting, Cane. I don't think so. But the team is 1-6. It's a bad situation. So Mayo's grip on the locker room is certainly worth zeroing in on.

His "soft" commentary has obviously gotten a lot of attention lately. To me, the media (Bill Belichick included) have sounded more aggrieved by the "soft" commentary than any players I've spoken to. I've given guys all kinds of opportunities, both on the record and off, to say they resent the message or that they're pissed at their coach. If anything, they've kind of... embraced it? Had linemen telling me today it lights a fire under their asses.

Bottom line, unless they play better, Mayo's messaging to his team will be viewed -- and rightfully so -- as critically flawed.

 

[mgteich]

Mayo probably would need more PR flops before a chance of him getting canned manifests. 1-6 isn't going to do it, because 1-6 isn't far off from what most people thought.

It's not the record that is at issue. The expectation was 4 or 5 wins, now fewer with the losses of players on Defense.

Mayo has failed to control the locker room. He has failed to have gained any respect from the players or media. He has made several really silly mistakes in his statements and discussions with the media.

If Mayo had been the locker room leader, then winning 2 or 3 wins might not get him fired, given the injuries, and the talent limitations put on the team by Wolf.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

I think Mayo was a bad hire and needs to be fired.

However, this report of second guessing and covert leaks BS is bush league and makes backstabbing Kraft look like a moron.

The team seems to be lacking leadership from ownership, in the front office, coaching and the locker room. Everyone is too busy trying to prove that things are different to take the bull by the horns and make hard decisions and take ownership of their responsibilities.

 

[lancerman]

W/Ls are not surprising

the lack of discipline, the uninspired play, the players collectively acting like morons, the lack of preparedness, the lack of any grit......these were not expected

i expected a young team with a young coach that at the very least came out and played hard every week, even if short on talent, with an arrow that trended up as the season went along

outside of the play of drake may, i've seen the exact opposite, and the discipline, the level of play, the desire, the preparedness seems to be getting worse as we go along.......that is not because of talent or a lack there of it

I'd argue most of those happened last season.

 

[mgteich]

They need a strong HC to put this mess right anyway, so the Krafts would be wise to hire someone who will insist on the central role in hiring the entire staff, GM included, and they ought hire a bevy of old-hand advisors to assist them is running an actual hiring process, for a change. I certainly agree there is ample evidence the Krafts ought not rely much at all on their own judgment (or whims) in hiring the next management team.

1) I suppose, there in one HC that meets that description that is available in mid-season.

2) Kraft will NOT go back to having a HC/GM with all the power. It's simply not happening. Perhaps Kraft shuld hire a VP in charge of Football Operations, or a top Advisor, if Jonathan isn't up to making corporate decisions

3) Also, I'm often truly amazed that folks think that the Kraft's don't have the advice of many, many top football folks when they need to make decisions.

4) Finally, I'm also amazed that folks think that they know better than the Kraft's regarding how decisions will affect the financial well-being of the team. The patriots are one of the three most valuable teams. Compare what teams were bought for and what they are worth now.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I'd argue most of those happened last season.

Agreed. But this is supposed to be the start of a rebuild with a new approach, with added checks and balances, and nothing has changed, and possibly, it has gotten worse.

 

[Thelonious]

1) I suppose, there in one HC that meets that description that is available in mid-season.

2) Kraft will NOT go back to having a HC/GM with all the power. It's simply not happening. Perhaps Kraft shuld hire a VP in charge of Football Operations, or a top Advisor, if Jonathan isn't up to making corporate decisions

3) Also, I'm often truly amazed that folks think that the Kraft's don't have the advice of many, many top football folks when they need to make decisions.

4) Finally, I'm also amazed that folks think that they know better than the Kraft's regarding how decisions will affect the financial well-being of the team. The patriots are one of the three most valuable teams. Compare what teams were bought for and what they are worth now.

1) Hmmm.

2) I am not advocating that they hire a combo HC/GM, I am saying that to fix a mess this profound, they need a strong HC and that they are more likely to get such a person if they give him a voice in hiring the GM (rather than the more customary reverse). I understand the risks in this (many GM candidates would not want to work under a dominant HC), but the present Pats team is a special case. It is rare for a team to fall this low.

3) If they got advice last time, they obviously need to get their advice elsewhere this time, and I doubt in any case that Robert consulted old NFL hands as he was experiencing his developing mancrush on Mayo as they meandered amongst the olive groves in the Holy Land.

4) Not sure what you mean here. I will concede that the Krafts are likely excellent bean counters, that when it come to extracting beer profits from fans they are stellar, and when it comes to efficiently overseeing the construction of faux lighthouses, they are without peer, but they are not hiring an accountant here, and the problem - it is screamingly obvious - is that at this point at least they suck the big one when it comes to hiring the management for a football team.

 

[yukon cornelius]

I'd argue most of those happened last season.

i'd argue against that, and that it is 100% worse the past few weeks, and trending down

 

[Ross12]

I don't think the guy is getting fired this Monday, but if things continue on their current track, maybe he will be in 3-5 weeks or so. If they improve very slightly, he's probably safe until the end of the year but still let go. I think they need to really get the arrow pointing back the other way to some meaningful level for him to show he deserves another year. There's too many other good candidates who will probably want this job in 2025 to waste it on Mayo.

 

[yukon cornelius]

I don't think the guy is getting fired this Monday, but if things continue on their current track, maybe he will be in 3-5 weeks or so. If they improve very slightly, he's probably safe until the end of the year but still let go. I think they need to really get the arrow pointing back the other way to some meaningful level for him to show he deserves another year. There's too many other good candidates who will probably want this job in 2025 to waste it on Mayo.

yeah i am not for firing him now, unless it really becomes a dumpster fire.......but the course correction needs to be a near 180 right now, in terms of how this team carries itself and how it shows up and shows out every week.......because the dumpster is already smoldering

 

[signbabybrady]

One more thing from Perry's AMA:

Do you think Mayo has lost the room already with all of the players griping in public (Boutte being the latest?

"I've given guys all kinds of opportunities, both on the record and off, to say they resent the message or that they're pissed at their coach. If anything, they've kind of... embraced it?"

I don't know why this annoyed me but it did. Is it off the record if you're reporting about it?

 

[sb1]

"I've given guys all kinds of opportunities, both on the record and off, to say they resent the message or that they're pissed at their coach. If anything, they've kind of... embraced it?"

I don't know why this annoyed me but it did. Is it off the record if you're reporting about it?

 

[Thelonious]

yeah i am not for firing him now, unless it really becomes a dumpster fire.......but the course correction needs to be a near 180 right now, in terms of how this team carries itself and how it shows up and shows out every week.......because the dumpster is already smoldering

I agree it is only fair to give Jerod the season to show what he can do, but I have virtually no confidence he will show enough to justify keeping him around for next year. He's just not up to the job, in my view.

 

[Mcp1982]

As unqualified as Fat Matt was to be OC, his offense with Mac ended up ranked 17th in points. I don't think this offense is gonna be able to surpass.

and he had Mac, imagine Maye on that team, or 2021 team

 

[Ross12]

"I've given guys all kinds of opportunities, both on the record and off, to say they resent the message or that they're pissed at their coach. If anything, they've kind of... embraced it?"

I don't know why this annoyed me but it did. Is it off the record if you're reporting about it?

"On the record" would mean a direct quote where he reports word-for-word what was said and who said it.

"Off the record" means he can report that people told him stuff, but not who said it or what exactly was said. Pretty common stuff.

Basically he is saying he had more casual conversations about this with guys and still didn't get a different response. But his wording kinda sounds like guys weren't necessarily bothered by the "soft" stuff, they just didn't really care. Which, I think is also kind of a problem and telling in its own way.

 

[Love The Drake]

Biggest benefit to move on early, it helps all parties.
It helps Jerod set up his next Gig, it helps the Patriot get a head start on evaluating candidates and hiring a committee to spearhead the search please not Kraft.

 

[signbabybrady]

"On the record" would mean a direct quote where he reports word-for-word what was said and who said it.

"Off the record" means he can report that people told him stuff, but not who said it or what exactly was said. Pretty common stuff.

Basically he is saying he had more casual conversations about this with guys and still didn't get a different response.

To me off the record should be used in a lot of ways but should not go on the air/print. Might be used to know they're is story they just need to chase it down elsewhere or maybe even vice versa there's nothing here but I still can't be a leak.

What you're describing sounds more like unnamed sources.

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

They can’t just fire the coordinators. There isn’t a coach in the league that would take a coordinator position under Mayo after seeing what a disaster he is as a HC. Particularly knowing the job would very likely be one & done.

Time will tell. You've seen the Patricia experiment and now you're seeing the Mayo. It defies reality