Are you all in on CB Travis Hunter at 4 (Hunter as a WR?)

[TommyD4207]

That’s very different than “ they suck.” Campbell is only downgraded because his arms are a half inch too short, but he has been shutting down SEC pass rushers since he started at LT for LSU at the age of 18. I would rather trade back and get him, but I wouldn’t be disappointed if they took him at 4 because he would start at LT for the Patriotsvfrom day 1. Membou played RT at Mississippi but he’s only 20, massive, and a great athlete, he could definitely be their long term answer at LT. Banks I don’t like as much but I would be ok with him in the teens. Zabel, Simmons, and Conerly all be good picks in the 15-30 range of the first round.

All of these tackles would immediately improve the LT position for the Patriots. The problem comes after them, as they will all go round one, and other than Ersery the cupboard is empty after them. If the Patriots can trade back out of 4, take their tackle, and then move back into the first round for their receiver it would be the best use of their picks imo.

 

[Boston Boxer]

He’s the best player of the draft, you don’t trade out of that. If he’s there you run to the podium and hope no one notices he’s still there.

AND, he is a genuinely good person.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Hunter is a no brainer if he’s available.

Why? Is he going to play 2 ways like he did in College?

 

[Huckleberry1]

This draft looks bad I just don't understand the logic in trading down. If anything I might consider trading for a 1 next year.

If Hunter and Carter are gone trading down just means we get 2 cracks at these crappy prospects instead of getting our choice of the one we think is the best of the rest.

It's not like there is a team with 2 first round picks this year so I just don't agree with wanting an extra second round pick in a bad draft.

You really haven’t put any time into understanding this draft. This draft is short on blue chip players and quarterbacks at the top, it’s really only Hunter and Carter in that category. So what you have are a good number of guys who could go anywhere from 4-20. It’s really deep at DL, CB, and RB, but weak at OL and WR after the first round. And the logic for trading back is that they could move back a little from 4, but not a big drop, and still get the guy or position they really want a little lower down. While picking up a 2nd round pick they could pair with their own to move back into the first for the OT or WR they still need after their first pick.

 

[Huckleberry1]

My apologies for my hyperbole but I'm not typing out they suck in comparison to most top 5 prospects in most drafts everytime.

The way I see it we have 3 scenarios.

One of the 2 prospects worth taking falls to us and we get either Hunter or Carter. The only scenario I like BTW.

If they don't fall we stay pat and take the best of the rest. This puts an onus on a scouting department we don't really trust to figure out who has the least flaws and best chance of success at the next level. I don't love this scenario but it beats the alternative.

Or we trade down in hopes we can still get a similar prospect and pick up an extra second round pick. This means we have less control over who we pick in the first and relies on us selecting a good enough player in the second to make up the difference or even better. This one scares me the most as we will have to live with whoever we miss out on for the rest of our lives. There is always the possibility we get the same player we might have picked at 4 and lose nothing but still scares me.

I suppose the 4th option is to trade for picks next year. And I'm actually starting to think this might be the safest play if Carter and Hunter are gone.

Weak excuse. You claimed they sucked because you were too lazy to say there aren’t as many top prospects as there usually is.

 

[signbabybrady]

You really haven’t put any time into understanding this draft. This draft is short on blue chip players and quarterbacks at the top, it’s really only Hunter and Carter in that category. So what you have are a good number of guys who could go anywhere from 4-20. It’s really deep at DL, CB, and RB, but weak at OL and WR after the first round. And the logic for trading back is that they could move back a little from 4, but not a big drop, and still get the guy or position they really want a little lower down. While picking up a 2nd round pick they could pair with their own to move back into the first for the OT or WR they still need after their first pick.

I've said many times I'm not a draftnik.

But it's just logic the talent doesn't get better as the draft goes on. If you don't think there is WR that can fix our problem at 4 then the chances of finding one in the next Rd are significantly worse. Of course there's always surprises and it's not a perfect science. That doesn't mean there won't be decent players but if we have a chance to actually draft someone who can fill one of our biggest holes then it's worth considering it. And I'd much rather come away with one blue chip then 2 lesser prospects.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Carter is someone I expect to be gone at 4, even with the scary foot injury.
I've been saying for awhile...Trenches, that includes front 7 to me.
I wanted Carter 1st, graham and Campbell 2nd.
We've done a good bit to fix Defense with some good players, that's why I pivoted to Campbell (Who I liked since day 1).
Josh Simmons would be fabulous, but Patella isn't something I really want to deal with when we need a STARTER at LT, and Campbell's record speaks for itself.
Carter's Foot and Simmons Knee worry me, yet Proven Campbell is sitting right there.
Will Hunter/Carter/Simmons be good-great? Probably.
We need guys that will be good RIGHT AWAY.
I have Zero interest in a guy that played 2 positions full time in college, he will NOT do that in the pros.

I know my thoughts suck to some people, sorry guys, but they are JMO like everyone else's.

I'm a firm believer that you WIN at the LOS, and we've been getting beat like a drum.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

The part about how he might translate to guard is SO IMPORTANT. People need to drop this idea that if he fails at LT he'll automatically be a great LG. That's not true. You have to evaluate him separately as a prospect there. I understand it's an easier position to play, but it's also a different skill set. Not everyone is going to translate to a new position.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Tommy, I don’t know who that is. The guys I listen to, Sikkema and Jeremiah love him. And letting up only 2 sacks in 2 years against the best pass rushers in college football speaks for itself. I would rather see them trade down a little, pick up a 2nd, then take their tackle and trade back into the 1st for a WR, but I’ll be ok with them taking one at 4 if they believe in them.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

McConkey was the OBVIOUS pick last year, and Wolf traded down and drafted Polk instead.
Sometimes you just need to pick the DEFINITE Starter.

I admit that I am kinda crazy, and I was yelling at my TV Last year when that happened..
At least I've learned not to throw the remote at the TV... : D

 

[Huckleberry1]

I've said many times I'm not a draftnik.

But it's just logic the talent doesn't get better as the draft goes on. If you don't think there is WR that can fix our problem at 4 then the chances of finding one in the next Rd are significantly worse. Of course there's always surprises and it's not a perfect science. That doesn't mean there won't be decent players but if we have a chance to actually draft someone who can fill one of our biggest holes then it's worth considering it. And I'd much rather come away with one blue chip then 2 lesser prospects.

Not being a draftnik is fine, but you shouldn’t be making sweeping generalizations about it when you don’t know what you are talking about.

The way most teams set up their draft boards is by tiers, and the way they make decisions on them is by looking at those tiers and deciding if they need to stay put to get the guys they have rated at a tier, or move up or down based on the likelihood of getting what they want. In this case if the Patriots have Hunter and Carter as the only 2 players in their top tier they would make a decision on whether it’s best for them to take one of them, or if tackle is an overriding need they have to address should they pick up an extra 2nd round pick, and still get one of the tackles in their next tier of players. And it’s not that they are “ taking a worse player” by moving down, it’s that they have several tackles grouped together, and believe they can both pick up a pick that would allow them to move back up into the first round from their second round pick, and still get one of the tackles in that grouping.

Basically they will have to make a choice if Hunter or Carter are there, take one of them, take their highest rated tackle, or trade down and pick up an extra 2nd. Some people look at this as a curse, I think they are in a great situation, as they could get one of the best player’s in the draft, address a major need, or trade back a little and address 2 major needs. They can come out of this as winners in any of these scenarios.

 

[Hawaiipatsfan2]

What if he comes inn and plays both positions full time at an all pro level. In 3 years, what kind of contract do you think he’d get? Myles Garret Money, or QB money?

 

[Lansdowne]

Tommy, I don’t know who that is. The guys I listen to, Sikkema and Jeremiah love him. And letting up only 2 sacks in 2 years against the best pass rushers in college football speaks for itself. I would rather see them trade down a little, pick up a 2nd, then take their tackle and trade back into the 1st for a WR, but I’ll be ok with them taking one at 4 if they believe in them.

Sikkema’s cool. He also suggested McMillan to the Pats at 4 as a great fit.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

That's my opinion as well. Hunter is great but Oline will move the needle for us to play for a playoff spot next season.

Last draft, don't play games, get the QB, they did. This year, I'm all for a trade down.

Not a chance the patriots make the playoffs if we stick with our current WR corps. They are easily the worst in the nfl and if I were Drake Maye I would be very very vocal to find me a legitimate nfl weapon.

Fans on this forum better not turn on Maye when he fails to produce with this current dumpster fire

 

[Lansdowne]

McConkey was the OBVIOUS pick last year, and Wolf traded down and drafted Polk instead.
Sometimes you just need to pick the DEFINITE Starter.

I admit that I am kinda crazy, and I was yelling at my TV Last year when that happened..
At least I've learned not to throw the remote at the TV... : D

Eliot Wolf got too cute there and thought he could get a two for one. I cursed at my TV when the trade happened and then groaned when the Chargers took Ladd McConkey. Durability concerns aside, that dude’s footwork was incredible. Getting open is not a problem for him, and I knew he’d own in the Keenan Allen role. I wanted Adonai Mitchell more at the time, and the jury is still out on him, but we could really use a guy like McConkey right about now.

BTW I saw you disapproved of Sikkema’s take on Tet McMillan. Is that more that you don’t believe in McMillan as the answer at WR, or more that you’d regret us passing on Will Campbell more? If the Pats traded down for extra assets and drafted McMillan would you still hate it?

On a side note, I wouldn’t hate Campbell coming here. He’s the top rated OL for a reason. But Josh Simmons is my favorite pure LT prospect in this draft and I’d be elated if the Pats found a way to trade back into the first with another pick to get him.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Eliot Wolf got too cute there and thought he could get a two for one. I cursed at my TV when the trade happened and then groaned when the Chargers took Ladd McConkey. Durability concerns aside, that dude’s footwork was incredible. Getting open is not a problem for him, and I knew he’d own in the Keenan Allen role. I wanted Adonai Mitchell more at the time, and the jury is still out on him, but we could really use a guy like McConkey right about now.

BTW I saw you disapproved of Sikkema’s take on Tet McMillan. Is that more that you don’t believe in McMillan as the answer at WR, or more that you’d regret us passing on Will Campbell more? If the Pats traded down for extra assets and drafted McMillan would you still hate it?

On a side note, I wouldn’t hate Campbell coming here. He’s the top rated OL for a reason. But Josh Simmons is my favorite pure LT prospect in this draft and I’d be elated if the Pats found a way to trade back into the first with another pick to get him.

I was !00% In on McConkey, I was throwing the remote...
I think Campbell will help more than TET, you can't CONSISTENTLY make throws if you are on your ass, or in the blue tent.
Can we PLEASE get MEN that can do a decent job protecting Drake? Shouldn't that be project #1?

 

[Ray Ray 717]

I was !00% In on McConkey, I was throwing the remote...
I think Campbell will help more than TET, you can't CONSISTENTLY make throws if you are on your ass, or in the blue tent.
Can we PLEASE get MEN that can do a decent job protecting Drake? Shouldn't that be project #1?

We have 3 good o lineman, just need one more good LT which we can draft in round 2. We have zero wide receivers who are legitimate starters in the nfl, you can’t win in the nfl without an explosive playmaker who can score touchdowns. Right now we have NOTHING in the redzone that puts any fear into defenses

 

[TommyD4207]

Tommy, I don’t know who that is. The guys I listen to, Sikkema and Jeremiah love him. And letting up only 2 sacks in 2 years against the best pass rushers in college football speaks for itself. I would rather see them trade down a little, pick up a 2nd, then take their tackle and trade back into the 1st for a WR, but I’ll be ok with them taking one at 4 if they believe in them.

Todd McShay's usually known for bringing nobodys on his show?

 

[Patsfan1645]

I'd just go Hunter>Trade Back

Jared Verse went #18 last year. Abdul Carter isn't close to that.

Possibility also. May make the trade back more enticing to get done. Otherwise I'm not certain we will have a lot of team wanting the 4 spot.

 

[Give Kraft A Hand]

Aside from someone giving a drastic overpay if either Hunter or Carter is there at 4 you have to take them. Then it just becomes more about how much you want to spend to get back into the first round.