Are you all in on CB Travis Hunter at 4 (Hunter as a WR?)

[Kdo5]

Hunter is a no brainer if he’s available.

 

[mike_usagisan]

I'd feel a lot better about Hunter at 4 if we weren't sitting with Lowe at LT.

 

[gobesmug]

Matt light was underrated.. your right playing with brady made a huge difference.. 10 year stater at the position is nothing to down play.. we just need stability at LT.. had verderian lowe been steady or at least average at LT we wouldn't be in a situation where we so badly need one.

Matt Light's longevity definitely adds to his impact. He was a great 2nd rd pick. Looking at the 2001 draft we took Richard Seymour at pick 6.

If we had to redo that draft and you could only draft Seymour or Matt Light, I imagine everyone would take Seymour over Matt Light.

And that's my point, at #4 overall we want someone who has the potential to be a HOF impact player like Seymour. I don't see Campbell having that elite HOF pot as a LT. His ceiling is Matt Light but that's not a guarantee he becomes that.

I want a HOF pot elite talent at #4

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

Depending on how QB crazed some teams are, Hunter and Abdul Carter might slide to 4. I am a big fan of trading down, but I think that in this case you grab Hunter; he would electrify the team on both sides of the ball.

 

[aluminum seats]

Matt Light's longevity definitely adds to his impact. He was a great 2nd rd pick. Looking at the 2001 draft we took Richard Seymour at pick 6.

If we had to redo that draft and you could only draft Seymour or Matt Light, I imagine everyone would take Seymour over Matt Light.

And that's my point, at #4 overall we want someone who has the potential to be a HOF impact player like Seymour. I don't see Campbell having that elite HOF pot as a LT. His ceiling is Matt Light but that's not a guarantee he becomes that.

I want a HOF pot elite talent at #4

Absolutely, but you can’t draft what’s not there

 

[signbabybrady]

This draft looks bad I just don't understand the logic in trading down. If anything I might consider trading for a 1 next year.

If Hunter and Carter are gone trading down just means we get 2 cracks at these crappy prospects instead of getting our choice of the one we think is the best of the rest.

It's not like there is a team with 2 first round picks this year so I just don't agree with wanting an extra second round pick in a bad draft.

 

[Brotherblues]

I'd feel a lot better about Hunter at 4 if we weren't sitting with Lowe at LT.

I think if they grab Hunter at 4 they'd then have to try to trade up to 18 or so and get Simmons. As far as pure OT prospects it's Membou and Simmons and everyone else.

In my head they really have to either get Membou in the top 10 or Simmons in the late teens.

 

[Real fan 02]

Matt Light's longevity definitely adds to his impact. He was a great 2nd rd pick. Looking at the 2001 draft we took Richard Seymour at pick 6.

If we had to redo that draft and you could only draft Seymour or Matt Light, I imagine everyone would take Seymour over Matt Light.

And that's my point, at #4 overall we want someone who has the potential to be a HOF impact player like Seymour. I don't see Campbell having that elite HOF pot as a LT. His ceiling is Matt Light but that's not a guarantee he becomes that.

I want a HOF pot elite talent at #4

True. Both men went on to have the ultimate success in championships. I see your point. It's so hard to say what a player will do once they become pros. There have been so many draft prospects that have busted out in the NFL that were assumed Future ALL PROS. What we I'll likely do is take BPA. Although LT an obvious need.

Here's also what can happen.

Lowe comes into camp and under good coaching and continuing to work and get better as a player shows he can be a starter and impresses.

If that scenario happens it would be one of the best things that could happen for Drake. Will I hold my breath... of course not!

 

[Real fan 02]

I'd feel a lot better about Hunter at 4 if we weren't sitting with Lowe at LT.

Lowe is the only guy that can control his fate.. a fire will be lit under his ass this camp.. so if he continues to false start, and be a piss poor run blocker he'll be on the sidelines watching a rookie.

 

[Real fan 02]

This draft looks bad I just don't understand the logic in trading down. If anything I might consider trading for a 1 next year.

If Hunter and Carter are gone trading down just means we get 2 cracks at these crappy prospects instead of getting our choice of the one we think is the best of the rest.

It's not like there is a team with 2 first round picks this year so I just don't agree with wanting an extra second round pick in a bad draft.

Same here.. like last year.. stay put and take BPA..

 

[Grogan14]

I would be very very surprised if Hunter is available at 4. The top 3 talent wise seem to be firmly established asWard, Carter and Hunter.
Unless something happens at a pro day or injury the top 3 teams are unlikely to all pass on this unique takent who could be the next Justin Jefferson.
Based on free agent signings, i think Campbell will be the pick at 4

 

[PatsFan2]

I would be very very surprised if Hunter is available at 4. The top 3 talent wise seem to be firmly established asWard, Carter and Hunter.
Unless something happens at a pro day or injury the top 3 teams are unlikely to all pass on this unique takent who could be the next Justin Jefferson.
Based on free agent signings, i think Campbell will be the pick at 4

We should be able to get Campbell after a Trade Down: some Team should like that Four spot. I can't see them taking Campbell @ 4 with all his deficiencies. We don't Need a Guard like we do Two Tackles.

 

[signbabybrady]

I would be very very surprised if Hunter is available at 4. The top 3 talent wise seem to be firmly established asWard, Carter and Hunter.

Sadly I think this is the case. The only thing that can change this is if someone gets desperate for a QB.

And to make it even worse I think Carter is the most likely one to fall to 4. I think our chances at Hunter are pretty small (not counting trade up).

Plenty on here might think this is not a terrible thing as they think Carter is the better prospect. And I'm fine with that debate and would be happy to get Carter.

On the flip side I don't think there is another prospect even close and even including an extra second round pick still isn't close either.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

I would be very very surprised if Hunter is available at 4. The top 3 talent wise seem to be firmly established asWard, Carter and Hunter.
Unless something happens at a pro day or injury the top 3 teams are unlikely to all pass on this unique takent who could be the next Justin Jefferson.
Based on free agent signings, i think Campbell will be the pick at 4

I think it's tough to confidently predict specifically that Hunter or Carter will make it to #4. Considering all of #1-3 desperately need a QB, I do think it stands to reason that one of them will reach for a QB over Carter/Hunter. Carter is a terrific prospect but I don't think he's necessarily viewed as generational or anything like that. And while Hunter's two-way ability is generational, not sure he's a generational prospect individually on either side - still great prospect, just not generational specifically as a CB or WR, IMO. Because of how valuable and overdrafted QBs are, it only takes one team falling in love with Sanders to take him and I don't rule that out. So I think there's a decent chance that on eof them is there in which case we'd take them.

I tend to agree Campbell will be the pick at #4 if we have to stay because even if he isn't a great LT in the NFL, it's such a desperate need for us and even if not ideal for #4 they could probably slide him in to LG if need be. The key point is that I don't see any other prospect forcing themselves to be the pick at #4, so if you're left to choose from a bunch of imperfect options, Campbell seems like the way to go just because of team need at LT, positional importance of LT and the theoretical viability of the fallback plan of him at LG which is also a need.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I'm not a draft junky but I've looked at a bunch of mocks and projections. From what I have learned Campbell will be a LG in the NFL, Membou is a RT, one of the other guys is coming off a significant injury, and the other 3 are late first round or even second round prospects. They might all turn into decent players but none of them seem to be worthy of a top 5 pick and possibly not even a top ten pick. Not sure how we could take any one of them and feel like we definitely filled our LT for week 1.

Of the group I am most intrigued by Membou but if he can't transfer to the left side then he just sits behind Moses until he's ready and we still have Lowe on the field and no Hunter or McMillan.

That’s very different than “ they suck.” Campbell is only downgraded because his arms are a half inch too short, but he has been shutting down SEC pass rushers since he started at LT for LSU at the age of 18. I would rather trade back and get him, but I wouldn’t be disappointed if they took him at 4 because he would start at LT for the Patriotsvfrom day 1. Membou played RT at Mississippi but he’s only 20, massive, and a great athlete, he could definitely be their long term answer at LT. Banks I don’t like as much but I would be ok with him in the teens. Zabel, Simmons, and Conerly all be good picks in the 15-30 range of the first round.

All of these tackles would immediately improve the LT position for the Patriots. The problem comes after them, as they will all go round one, and other than Ersery the cupboard is empty after them. If the Patriots can trade back out of 4, take their tackle, and then move back into the first round for their receiver it would be the best use of their picks imo.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

Whatever level of player you think any of these prospects will become, you probably should discount that back a few notches when forecasting their rookie year. If you run through NFL players, I'd be that it's the minority of them who end up playing at their highest level as a rookie.

A lot of people defend the Campbell logic by saying that he doesn't have to be Jon Ogden, Walter Jones or Orlando Pace and that it's fine if he's "just" a Matt Light. That's fine, and probably true in the big picture. But it's not some crazy idea to think that even if he ends up as good or better than Matt Light when his career is over that for 2025, as a rookie, he might only be as good or just marginally better as Lowe was last year. That's not a crazy proposition. Lots of rookies struggle relative to where they ultimately end up in their careers, especially ones who have a physical deficiency they have to learn to cope with at the highest level. Campbell may have been good at LSU, but only a very select few of the guys he faced, even if it was the highest level of competition for college, will actually be good NFL players. It's still a huge leap in competition with guys more physically capable of exploiting him than they were in college.

It's incredibly risky to draft someone on account of how they can fill an immediate need on the roster if you're already trying to hype yourself up to what their ceiling is because whatever ANY prospect's ceiling is you can't really expect that they're at that level as rookies. Obviously there are some guys considered rawer than others as prospects where you think it will be a bigger growth curve to hit that ceiling but even the perceived "low ceiling, high floor" prospects should be expected to be a lot closer to the floor as rookies than they are the ceiling. You might be sacrificing long term upside to fill an immediate need but the player doesn't even fill that need immediately and still needs some time to grow into it.

 

[signbabybrady]

That’s very different than “ they suck.” Campbell is only downgraded because his arms are a half inch too short, but he has been shutting down SEC pass rushers since he started at LT for LSU at the age of 18. I would rather trade back and get him, but I wouldn’t be disappointed if they took him at 4 because he would start at LT for the Patriotsvfrom day 1. Membou played RT at Mississippi but he’s only 20, massive, and a great athlete, he could definitely be their long term answer at LT. Banks I don’t like as much but I would be ok with him in the teens. Zabel, Simmons, and Conerly all be good picks in the 15-30 range of the first round.

All of these tackles would immediately improve the LT position for the Patriots. The problem comes after them, as they will all go round one, and other than Ersery the cupboard is empty after them. If the Patriots can trade back out of 4, take their tackle, and then move back into the first round for their receiver it would be the best use of their picks imo.

My apologies for my hyperbole but I'm not typing out they suck in comparison to most top 5 prospects in most drafts everytime.

The way I see it we have 3 scenarios.

One of the 2 prospects worth taking falls to us and we get either Hunter or Carter. The only scenario I like BTW.

If they don't fall we stay pat and take the best of the rest. This puts an onus on a scouting department we don't really trust to figure out who has the least flaws and best chance of success at the next level. I don't love this scenario but it beats the alternative.

Or we trade down in hopes we can still get a similar prospect and pick up an extra second round pick. This means we have less control over who we pick in the first and relies on us selecting a good enough player in the second to make up the difference or even better. This one scares me the most as we will have to live with whoever we miss out on for the rest of our lives. There is always the possibility we get the same player we might have picked at 4 and lose nothing but still scares me.

I suppose the 4th option is to trade for picks next year. And I'm actually starting to think this might be the safest play if Carter and Hunter are gone.

 

[condon84]

The draft is about BPA to find starters and All Pros. Hunter is WR1 and we will solve LT by adding a TE to chip the opposing DE until R1 2026 when we pick a LT. Also maybe a level 2 guy this year like Trapilo greatly improves LT and allows us to get by. In the meantime we have an All Pro at WR.

If there was a LT like J Alt it is a different discussion. The latest mock by Todd McShay has Will Campbell at #12.

As good as Joe Alt is, I think the Charges screwed up passing on Nabers. They would have been better off getting Nabers and using the McConkey pick on Roger Rosengarten.

 

[Since1960]

Yes, please take our WR#1 *if* the opportunity presents itself. Still think he’s the 2nd pick but that doesn’t mean my fingers aren’t crossed!

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

As good as Joe Alt is, I think the Charges screwed up passing on Nabers. They would have been better off getting Nabers and using the McConkey pick on Roger Rosengarten.

Maybe, but I would definitely be pleased if the Pats drafted as well as Alt and McConkey.