Are the Patriots cheap? The evidence here says no

[Synovia]

don't understand your question considering that my comment was about departing/current players calling the pats cheap. Where do I say that players never leave for more money?

Every team has departing players calling them cheap. Thats the point.

 

[Bostonian1962]

According to Dan Pompei of NFP, most scouts and assistants have language in their contracts which state that in the event of a lock out they must take 25-50% pay cuts. However, the Patriots are among the few teams NOT to require this of their scouts who will be required to work as normal even through the lock out.


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Great post! They are NOT cheap, and anybody who says otherwise makes me question all their takes.

 

[NYCPatsFan]

Every team has departing players calling them cheap. Thats the point.

I disagree. Not all departing players call their ex-teams cheap; some have other issues and some just receive a better offer and move on. It makes headlines when the disagreement becomes nasty and loud, especially if the current/departing player is more visible due to his playmaking skills.

Seperate note: Though Moss is one of my favourite players, I was irritated when he recently commented how we don't pay much.

 

[mgteich]

Charlie and Romeo were not well-compensated. Perhaps someone has a reference, but my guess is that the patriots pay less than most for coordinators and supporting coaches. Again, it is not that Kraft is cheap. He chooses to pay most of his coaching budget to the head coach.

Belichick has chosen to do much of the work himself instead of securing seasoned coordinators and position coaches. In 2009, Belichick had many roles. In 2010, he may even have more, being much more inviolved in the defense. This has been Belichick's choice. I'm sure that Kraft would allow him to spend more monies for coordinators.

One can question whether Belichick's method is the best. He has had his present strategy since the 2005 season began.

Since BB has chose to hire from within this is likely true of the Cooridinators (thru the years and the defactos ones now) But I would tend to guess that Charlie and Romeo were very well compensated for their time here. Also I would think, with a recent story that Patriots informed their scouts they will not have their pay cut in a lock out year which apparently is teams rights, that they pay them well to begin with.

 

[signbabybrady]

I disagree. Not all departing players call their ex-teams cheap; some have other issues and some just receive a better offer and move on. It makes headlines when the disagreement becomes nasty and loud, especially if the current/departing player is more visible due to his playmaking skills.

Seperate note: Though Moss is one of my favourite players, I was irritated when he recently commented how we don't pay much.

I dont think you read what he said correctly...

He said every team has had players take shots at them departing not every departing player takes shots at their teams.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Charlie and Romeo were not well-compensated. Perhaps someone has a reference, but my guesss is that the patriots pay less than most for coordinators and su[pporting coaches. Again, it is not that Kraft is cheap. He chooses to pay most of his coaching budget to the head coach.

Charlie and RAC left other jobs to come here, so I doubt they had issues with their contracts until the team won and they didn't get tapped for HC gigs and Dan Snyder started hiring former HC's as coordinators and coordinators as position coaches and paying them absurd amounts to create a superstaff for the Joe Gibbs reunion tour. While they griped, they reupped and their deals got sweetened. And eventually their success here as Belichick's minions got them each HC gigs of their own, however short lived...

When in the alternative you bring position coaches and coordinators up through the ranks (not to save money but to control their development within your system) like in any other business they don't get paid what long time experienced or previously successful staffers get here or elsewhere...

Pioli left money on the table for years because there was a value in being associated with this HC and QB and ownership. Eventually he left to persue his own more financially rewarding gig, which he was able to secure largely because of what this organization was able to accomplish while he honed his craft in the company of HOF'ers here.

 

[NYCPatsFan]

I dont think you read what he said correctly...

He said every team has had players take shots at them departing not every departing player takes shots at their teams.

You are correct. I didn't interpret it properly. Thanks for pointing it out.

 

[Synovia]

I disagree. Not all departing players call their ex-teams cheap; some have other issues and some just receive a better offer and move on. It makes headlines when the disagreement becomes nasty and loud, especially if the current/departing player is more visible due to his playmaking skills.

Seperate note: Though Moss is one of my favourite players, I was irritated when he recently commented how we don't pay much.

And not all of the players who leave the Patriots complain that they're cheap.

Again, name one team that hasn't been called cheap by a departing player.

 

[mgteich]

So, when s a coach is successful in his contract, and is no longer a bargain for the patriots, the coach moves on to much greener pastures.

I am not criticizing. I just think that this happens with coaches who aren't considered critical top-line contributers like Belichick, Brady, Wilfork and Bodden.

Charlie and RAC left other jobs to come here, so I doubt they had issues with their contracts until the team won and they didn't get tapped for HC gigs and Dan Snyder started hiring former HC's as coordinators and coordinators as position coaches and paying them absurd amounts to create a superstaff for the Joe Gibbs reunion tour. While they griped, they reupped and their deals got sweetened. And eventually their success here as Belichick's minions got them each HC gigs of their own, however short lived...

When in the alternative you bring position coaches and coordinators up through the ranks (not to save money but to control their development within your system) like in any other business they don't get paid what long time experienced or previously successful staffers get here or elsewhere...

Pioli left money on the table for years because there was a value in being associated with this HC and QB and ownership. Eventually he left to persue his own more financially rewarding gig, which he was able to secure largely because of what this organization was able to accomplish while he honed his craft in the company of HOF'ers here.

 

[Synovia]

So, when s a coach is successful in his contract, and is no longer a bargain for the patriots, the coach moves on to much greener pastures.

I am not criticizing. I just think that this happens with coaches who aren't considered critical top-line contributers like Belichick, Brady, Wilfork and Bodden.

Is that really any different from anywhere else? The NFL certainly encourages it by allowing teams to go after other team's coordinators as head coaching candidates.


Teams are looking for value everywhere they can.

 

[NYCPatsFan]

And not all of the players who leave the Patriots complain that they're cheap.

Again, name one team that hasn't been called cheap by a departing player.

I don't need to because that is exactly my point: every team might have some, but not all, players calling them cheap.

The contention was whether all departing players do, which is what I erroneously understood from your earlier comment - thanks to another poster who pointed it.

 

[Synovia]

I don't need to because that is exactly my point: every team might have some, but not all, players calling them cheap.

No, your point was that the Patriots have players calling them cheap. That's irrelevant because every team does. Your statement provides no value.

 

[mgteich]

The patriots have no GM, no OC and no DC. The total number of coaches is 15. The philosophy from 2005 onward to to build from within. Since you think this is normal, please list all teams that have no GM, OC or HC. Please also list all teams with fewer than 15 coaches.

We have a coaching philsophy that has worked over the past decade. However, it is NOT the norm in the league.

Is that really any different from anywhere else? The NFL certainly encourages it by allowing teams to go after other team's coordinators as head coaching candidates.


Teams are looking for value everywhere they can.

 

[Deus Irae]

So, when s a coach is successful in his contract, and is no longer a bargain for the patriots, the coach moves on to much greener pastures.

I am not criticizing. I just think that this happens with coaches who aren't considered critical top-line contributers like Belichick, Brady, Wilfork and Bodden.

Bodden's making far less than top-line money.