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I cant remember the last year that the jets didnt at least give us one very tight match, no matter how bad they were. But i cant see this years team being competitive in either game against us, so this is good for us imo
 
The second Jets game this year is the regular season finale. It's possible one or both teams have no incentive whatsoever to win that game.
 
This thread makes me think of:

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They're the Jetes. They're still wrong. They're not trying to tank. They're just being Jetes.
 
The second Jets game this year is the regular season finale. It's possible one or both teams have no incentive whatsoever to win that game.

It's also very possible we will have a very, very strong incentive to lose that game.

Knowing Bill, the Pats will have the 1 or 2 seed wrapped up, so he'll purposely throw the game to keep the Jets from the top draft pick.
 
The second Jets game this year is the regular season finale. It's possible one or both teams have no incentive whatsoever to win that game.

Unless we're 15-0 :D
 
It's also very possible we will have a very, very strong incentive to lose that game.
What wonderfully pathetic scenarios you are indulging during this off-seas0n, the best time of year for being a New Jersey Green Beans fan. You and your Jete really suck.

Knowing Bill, the Pats will have the 1 or 2 seed wrapped up, so he'll purposely throw the game to keep the Jets from the top draft pick.
You don't know Bill, either via imagination or uneducated guess. He couldn't care less if the Green Puke got the top draft pick because he and everyone else but you KNOWS they'd find a way to screw it up by picking the wrong guy or wrecking him with bad coaching.
 
What wonderfully pathetic scenarios you are indulging during this off-seas0n, the best time of year for being a New Jersey Green Beans fan. You and your Jete really suck.

You don't know Bill, either via imagination or uneducated guess. He couldn't care less if the Green Puke got the top draft pick because he and everyone else but you KNOWS they'd find a way to screw it up by picking the wrong guy or wrecking him with bad coaching.

I KNOW Billy has never won w/o Tommy, and Brady won't be around much longer. If Bill wants a shot of continuing to win A.B. (After Brady), he better pay attention to what's going on in the division.

Hell, that year Cassel played, didn't Miami end up winning the division?
 
yeah, nitwit..the Pats went 11-5 and missed the playoffs. Do you even KNOW what an 11-5 season is, Buford? jeezus you're a dumb mofo
 
yeah, nitwit..the Pats went 11-5 and missed the playoffs. Do you even KNOW what an 11-5 season is, Buford? jeezus you're a dumb mofo

Oh yeah, that's right. Thanks, I forgot they missed the playoffs. Figured they still got a wildcard.
 
Look how cute - a Jets fan trolling a Patriots board because the Patriots "only" won 11 games in a season Tom Brady didn't play. You know, because 11 win seasons for the Jets are just so routine. If the Patriots "revert" to 11 win seasons post Brady, well, the bumbling franchise to the South can maybe wait another decade for other players to retire? Gotta have hope, right?
 
If Bill wants a shot of continuing to win A.B. (After Brady), he better pay attention to what's going on in the division.
If you want to have a chance with the girls, you'd better (1) remember to brush your teeth and (2) swear off the Jete.

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It's also very possible we will have a very, very strong incentive to lose that game.

Knowing Bill, the Pats will have the 1 or 2 seed wrapped up, so he'll purposely throw the game to keep the Jets from the top draft pick.
Sure. Belichick is really worried about what the jets will do with that pick. :rolleyes:

throwing a game so a team that doesn't know how to draft goes 2nd instead of first sounds like the mindset of the greatest winner the NFL has ever seen
 
1. The Jete are definitely doing their best to tank IMO. Some question the McCown signing but I feel like that move was done before they were sure they wanted to tank. Seems like they didn't decide to do it until a little while after the draft. And besides, if they went into the season starting a Bryce Petty or Hack, it would be TOO obvious they were tanking. McCown will at least give enough effort and little bit of talent to get them a win or two and make it look like they're actually trying to win all of their games, even though they won't.

2. Why would anyone seriously question BB after all these years? He can't win without Brady? He won 11 games in a season where Brady tore his ACL in the opener and they had to rush Matt Cassel into being a starter. It's not like they had the whole offseason to prep Cassel for the job. They won ELEVEN GAMES. And Cassel isn't even good!

3. But wait isn't there a more recent example? Oh yeah, this past season where Brady missed four games to start the year. BB definitely looked lost and confused and incapable of winning without Brady, right? Oh actually no, they beat a talented Arizona team with Garoppolo in his first ever start, then were destroying Miami til Jimmy got hurt and they had to play the rookie Brissett for the rest of the game but still won. Then they SHUT OUT HOUSTON the next week playing that same rookie, and only lost the fourth week when they literally had no QB because Brissett had a torn ligament in his throwing hand and basically could not pass. Yeah dude, BB has definitely shown he absolutely cannot win without Brady.

4. And even if he did struggle without Brady, you think he should be concerned about THE JETE of all teams???
 
1. The Jete are definitely doing their best to tank IMO. Some question the McCown signing but I feel like that move was done before they were sure they wanted to tank. Seems like they didn't decide to do it until a little while after the draft. And besides, if they went into the season starting a Bryce Petty or Hack, it would be TOO obvious they were tanking. McCown will at least give enough effort and little bit of talent to get them a win or two and make it look like they're actually trying to win all of their games, even though they won't.

2. Why would anyone seriously question BB after all these years? He can't win without Brady? He won 11 games in a season where Brady tore his ACL in the opener and they had to rush Matt Cassel into being a starter. It's not like they had the whole offseason to prep Cassel for the job. They won ELEVEN GAMES. And Cassel isn't even good!

3. But wait isn't there a more recent example? Oh yeah, this past season where Brady missed four games to start the year. BB definitely looked lost and confused and incapable of winning without Brady, right? Oh actually no, they beat a talented Arizona team with Garoppolo in his first ever start, then were destroying Miami til Jimmy got hurt and they had to play the rookie Brissett for the rest of the game but still won. Then they SHUT OUT HOUSTON the next week playing that same rookie, and only lost the fourth week when they literally had no QB because Brissett had a torn ligament in his throwing hand and basically could not pass. Yeah dude, BB has definitely shown he absolutely cannot win without Brady.

4. And even if he did struggle without Brady, you think he should be concerned about THE JETE of all teams???

Just messing with Tune. It's fun every now and then.

Yeah I know Bill is a great. Just that once Tom isn't around anymore, his work will get much tougher. He really hasn't won anything w/o Tom. That might be a driving force for him once Brady is gone. Doubt he'll admit it, but it could motivate him (which is scary).

Regarding Arizona, Houston, Miami n Buffalo... before the season it looked rough, but Houston was a joke, Arizona a mess, and Buffalo n Miami are Buffalo n Miami. It was impressive experience for the young QB though.
 
Just that once Tom isn't around anymore, his work will get much tougher. He really hasn't won anything w/o Tom. That might be a driving force for him once Brady is gone. Doubt he'll admit it, but it could motivate him (which is scary).

This is the PERFECT example of the jealous, pinheaded Patriot hater's pretzel logic. BB really hasn't won anything without Brady. BB should have kept starting Bledsoe. Then he'd be a better coach, right asshat? BB gets no credit for starting and sticking with a 2nd year QB drafted in the 6th round, getting to the Super Bowl against the greatest show on turf(14 point underdogs) and going for the jugular with a minute left, against the prevailing wisdom of the John Maddens and the rest of the country. BB gets no credit for the icewater calls that gave this raw, green QB the confidence to make the plays CALLED by BB's staff.

Nah, BB is really not a good coach...according to the braindead, degenerate legion of sub-mongoloids known as JETE Nation.
 
Regarding Arizona, Houston, Miami n Buffalo... before the season it looked rough, but Houston was a joke, Arizona a mess, and Buffalo n Miami are Buffalo n Miami. It was impressive experience for the young QB though.

I don't think that's totally fair or accurate to Arizona. The Cardinals had a terrible start to the season and failed to execute on opportunities throughout the season, but they were a very balanced team that was playoff-worthy.

They finished with the #6 offense, #14 on D, and an expected win total of 9.4 based on point differential of +56, the 4th-highest point differential in the NFC. Their record in close games hurt them (3-5-1 in one-possession games), but a few kicks against us and the Seahawks would have put them in contention with the Lions for the wild card, one game back from Seattle.

They were a far superior team to Houston, who went 9-7 despite a -49 point differential. They clearly benefited from being in a ****ty division. Miami and Buffalo meanwhile seemed to finish opposite of where they should have. The Bills finished 10th in offense, 16th in defense, and outscored their opponents by 21 points. The Lolphins finished 17th in offense, 18th in defense, and got outscored by 17 points. Yet somehow Buffalo won only 7 games, while Miami won 10.

As for tanking, I understand why teams think it will work. I just can't think of an example where it worked. There are supposedly two benefits of tanking: you get an elite player you couldn't get without sucking, and you get them at a reduced rate for 4 or 5 seasons.

But even in the NBA, where the benefit of one player is magnified, the last team to win a championship with the #1 pick overall on their rookie contract is the Spurs with Tim Duncan. That team was a solid group that finished near the bottom due to injuries. Adding Duncan to a very good team that also got a healthy David Robinson back was almost unfair.

The thing is to get a top pick, you either have to be absolutely atrocious as a team, terribly unlucky with injuries, or terribly lucky with a trade for a draft pick. In 2o f those 3 scenarios, you may not necessarily be a bad team. But when you tank, you need a really really really REALLY bad team. So even if you win the pick, then your #1 pick is still stuck with a bad team. You need to be able to upgrade all the other spots as well, and that takes time, which often takes so long that it exceeds the second advantage of having a player on a reduced rate contract.

Teams that tend to benefit from that scenario are those that fall into the pick through bad injury luck or good trade luck. The Colts and Luck have been cited as an example of tanking, but that was a team that went to the Super Bowl 2 years prior. They went 10-6, then Manning missed a year and they collapsed, but they still had a ton of good players remaining.

It's also rarer in football for the #1 player to be the best player. So the potential benefit of tanking is also reduced. And the potential impact one player can make is much less than basketball. On the bright side for football, the franchise tag guarantees they can keep a player for a while longer once they find him, even if they don't want to stay. Imagine if Oklahoma could have just franchised Durant.

What the Jets are doing is downgrading like 20 spots in hopes of getting that #1 pick, but they still need to add talent even if they do win the pick. Otherwise they might end up with a David Carr-type scenario where he gets massacred. It will take them 4 or 5 seasons to try and get enough quality players back on the roster to even become competitive.

And that's assuming they don't **** up the pick. But again, this is the Jets. Or maybe the pick will be good, but the total incompetence throughout the roster will affect their development like I believe has happened in Jacksonville up to this point. But to this point, I have not seen a team tank and benefit tremendously from it, and the Jets will be an interesting case.
 
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