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Discussion in 'Patriots Draft Talk' started by patchick, Mar 22, 2019.

  1. patchick

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    I'm trying to use this tool, but I can't for the life of me get it to display any measurements. I can filter by year, position etc., but only on the default table. The measurements and thresholds tabs don't seem to have any effect.

    Is anybody having better luck?
     

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    He just updated the code to a new version. I've been having similar issues since then. To my understanding, Thresholds allows you to create custom thresholds for when you launch a RAS card (for example, you might want to use a very low 3-cone as a cutoff for slot receivers), and it will change the color based on matching or exceeding the threshold. I believe it uses purple and blue instead of red, yellow, green.

    In the old version, you could quickly create table by inputting parameters. For example, here I've used the 2018 draft class, the DT position, and a broad jump of greater than 9' in order to create this quick table:

    upload_2019-3-22_14-31-16.png


    I assume that type of filtering is how you want to be able to search?

    In the new version, I expect to be able to manipulate the parameters the same way, but it's not as intuitive. I'll try to play around with it and get back to you if I figure it out.

    And right on cue, when I tried to launch the program, it prompted me to update to the newest version. Let me see if that corrects the issue.


    EDIT: I posted the question on the download page. He should get back to us soon. @patchick
     
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    I haven't heard back yet but it looks like a new version released today. He's probably been busy with coding. It does look like the information shows up in the Measurement tab after filtering, but it's less useful than it used to be, because I can't restrict it to a single draft class (which I can do through player selector, oddly enough).

    Sticking with my example, I was able to pull up all the DTs in this class and only show their broad jump, but it's considerably less user-friendly than it used to be. Now I have to scroll down to find the year I want and then manually select and copy; far more unwieldy than the previous method. I'll see if I can dig around some more. There's got to be a better way to sort.


    15732 Dereck Boles 2019 DT
    15812 Rashard Lawrence 2019 DT
    15858 Edwin Alexander 2019 DT
    18224 Isaiah Buggs 2019 DT 800
    18228 Byron Cowart 2019 DT 903
    18318 Christian Wilkins 2019 DT 811
    18319 Jerry Tillery 2019 DT 907
    18320 Greg Gaines 2019 DT 901
    18321 Terry Beckner Jr 2019 DT 804
    18322 Olive Sagapolu 2019 DT
    18323 Daniel Wise 2019 DT 904
    18324 Kingsley Keke 2019 DT 903
    18325 Albert Huggins 2019 DT 903
    18326 Dontavius Russell 2019 DT
    18327 Ryan Bee 2019 DT
    18328 Bryan Mone 2019 DT
    18329 Marquise Copeland 2019 DT
    18330 Demarcus Christmas 2019 DT 805
    18331 Khairi Clark 2019 DT
    18332 Andrew Williams 2019 DT
    18333 Jonathan Bonner 2019 DT
    18334 Chris Nelson 2019 DT
    18335 Gerald Willis III 2019 DT
    18336 Daylon Mack 2019 DT 806
    18337 Adrian Middleton 2019 DT
    18338 Shy Tuttle 2019 DT
    18339 Ira Lewis 2019 DT
    18340 Breiden Fehoko 2019 DT
    18341 Arthur Williams 2019 DT
    18342 Jerard Carter 2019 DT
    18343 Chris Slayton 2019 DT 903
    18344 Cortez Broughton 2019 DT
    18345 Jeremiah Clarke 2019 DT
    18346 O.J. Smith 2019 DT
    18347 Bryson Bridges 2019 DT
    18348 Trey Carter 2019 DT
    18349 Cory Thomas 2019 DT
    18350 Kalani Vakameilalo 2019 DT
    18351 Miles Fox 2019 DT
    18352 Ricky Walker 2019 DT
    18353 Mick Stoltenberg 2019 DT
    18354 Kayton Samuels 2019 DT
    18355 Kyle Cerge-Henderson 2019 DT
    18356 Trevon Sanders 2019 DT
    18357 Kevin Strong Jr. 2019 DT
    18358 Ray Smith 2019 DT
    18359 Edgar Cerenord 2019 DT
    18360 Randy Robinson 2019 DT
    18361 Kevin Wilkins 2019 DT
    18362 Willie Yarbary 2019 DT
    18363 Marquise Overton 2019 DT
    18364 Michael Dogbe 2019 DT
    18365 Ross Donelly 2019 DT
    18366 Conner Cain 2019 DT
    18367 Steven Leggett 2019 DT
    18368 Nyquan Harris 2019 DT
    18369 Frederick Jones 2019 DT
    18370 Salanoa-Alo Wily 2019 DT
    18371 Myquon Stout 2019 DT
    18372 Carl Thompson 2019 DT
    18373 Jon Bateky 2019 DT
    18374 Keiwan Jones 2019 DT
    18375 John Jackson 2019 DT
    18376 Brandon Tyson 2019 DT
    18377 Pat Toal Jr 2019 DT
    18378 Darrion Daniels 2019 DT
    18379 Andrew Payne 2019 DT
    18380 Kent Berger 2019 DT
    18381 Peyton Newell 2019 DT
    18382 Zach Wright 2019 DT
    18383 Fred Wyatt 2019 DT
    18384 Jordan Thompson 2019 DT
    18385 Herlandez Corley 2019 DT
    18386 Ulaiasi Tauaalo 2019 DT
    18387 Roderick Young 2019 DT
    18388 Tank Harris 2019 DT
    18389 Eurndraus Bryant 2019 DT
    18390 Jalen Dalton 2019 DT
    18391 Eddquerion Harris 2019 DT
    18392 Kalei Meyer 2019 DT
    18393 Tre Brown 2019 DT
    18394 Braxton Hoyett 2019 DT
    18395 Grant Harris 2019 DT
    18396 Gary Moore 2019 DT
    18397 Gerald Owens 2019 DT
    18398 Nate Trawick 2019 DT
    18399 Jared Gentry 2019 DT
    18400 Mbi Tanyi 2019 DT
    18401 Tymere Dubose 2019 DT
    18402 Kalil Morris 2019 DT
    18403 Henry Famurewa 2019 DT
    18404 Jordan Bradford 2019 DT
    18405 Cedric Johnson 2019 DT
    18406 LaDarrius Kidd 2019 DT
    18407 Derrian Meminger 2019 DT
    18408 Mike Barwick Jr. 2019 DT
    18409 Tito Odenigbo 2019 DT
    18410 Ian Bush 2019 DT
    18411 Walvenski Aimé 2019 DT
    18412 Ray Ellis 2019 DT
    18413 Cyle Skidmore 2019 DT
    18414 Josh Ballard 2019 DT
    18415 Jay-Tee Tiuli 2019 DT
    18416 Chris Hendricks 2019 DT
    18417 Quaven Ferguson 2019 DT
    18418 Chris Tinkham 2019 DT
    18419 Tyler Fain 2019 DT
    18420 Isaiah Mack 2019 DT
    18421 Jase Franke 2019 DT
    18422 Colton Foster 2019 DT
    19438 Ed Oliver 2019 DT 1000
    19439 Dexter Lawrence 2019 DT
    19441 DreMont Jones 2019 DT 902
    19486 Trysten Hill 2019 DT 907
    19945 Antonio Mallard 2019 DT
    19952 Connor Christian 2019 DT
    19960 Tucker Yates 2019 DT
    19976 Joseph Bones 2019 DT
    17330 Sidney Malauulu 2019 DT
    17331 Renell Wren 2019 DT 910
    19770 Armon Watts 2019 DT
    19771 Nate Brisson-Fast 2019 DT
    19772 Brock Boxen 2019 DT
    19773 Fredrick Jones 2019 DT
    19774 Benito Jones 2019 DT
    19775 Nick Coe 2019 DT
    19776 Quinnen Williams 2019 DT 905
    19891 P.J. Johnson 2019 DT
    19892 Kevin Givens 2019 DT 907
    19893 Khalen Saunders 2019 DT 1001
    19894 Javier Edwards 2019 DT
    19895 Dajon Emory 2019 DT
    19919 Bentley Easley 2019 DT
    19928 Quindarius Thagard 2019 DT
     
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    You're still doing better than me! Even with the new build I can't get it to display any specific measurables for any players in any way. The measurables tab does nothing; the thresholds tab does nothing; the launch RAS card button does nothing.

    It's so frustrating because I can tell he's put a ton of work into the app and the info is all there somewhere, inaccessible! But I've downloaded multiple versions, and they've all been literally useless. :(
     
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    Have you watched the YouTube video he has embedded in the download page? It runs through the basics -- I don't know what you've done so far or haven't done, but it's a good baseline.

    The old version was actually much easier to use. You typed in a name and got results. Now you have to change the drop down depending on which table you want to use:

    upload_2019-3-26_11-23-8.png


    The table for Player Selector is the best for quick, simple searches. Type in the name and press the Filter button, and you'll get a result. Then you'll need to click on that name and Launch RAS Card to view the details:

    upload_2019-3-26_11-24-54.png


    (For some reason "patchick" doesn't produce a match. Sad.)

    Thresholds doesn't seem to produce a table. Instead, it lets you change the way that the RAS cards show up. For example, I added some thresholds for passing / best test results for DE. Montez Sweat now has color codes (blue and purple) based on those numbers I entered:

    upload_2019-3-26_11-26-9.png


    Measurements should do what we've discussed above, but for some reason I can't find a way to delimit by draft class. It includes ALL years by default. Still, if you switch the drop down table to Measurements, click on a few parameters (I added ten yard split, vertical, and broad jump), and then press Filter, then you'll get the results in an updated table. The big problem is that even though you can then click on the headers to sort by year or position, you're still dealing with a rather large data set. The ability to pare down the results would be a fantastic addition, and I'm not sure why he removed the functionality compared with last year's app.

    upload_2019-3-26_11-28-41.png


    Last year's version, for comparison, when using the RAS Table Builder, I could filter out just WR with a 3-cone time under 6.9 if I wanted to see a select pool of prospects:

    upload_2019-3-26_11-34-22.png


    These players fit the criteria. I could scroll over to see the 3-cone, or sort by additional parameters to compare who is the tallest or heaviest but still able to show agility. Etc.


    upload_2019-3-26_11-35-27.png


    Sorry, this is probably more detail than you wanted. It's the consulting engineer in me coming out when faced with a problem. ;)
     
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    patchick Moderatrix Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Reamer, unfortunately it simply doesn't do any of those things for me. It flat-out doesn't work at all.

    BUT--I just noticed that the kind, generous man who built it made the raw data available! After some creative merging of tables, etc. I'm now the proud owner of a single massive Excel spreadsheet of historical measurables data that I can filter and sort to my heart's content. It's glorious.
     
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    Good! I almost mentioned that if you click on Download CSV then it will take you to his Google document repository, but I thought that might be even less user-friendly. If you're willing to take the plunge into the wild world of raw, unfiltered data, then more power to you. :cool:
     
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    patchick Moderatrix Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

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    For better or worse, heaps of raw data is my idea of fun!
     
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    While I've got RAS open . . .

    I've been considering this comparison lately. 3rd round comp upside pick, perhaps?


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    Wren definitely fits the Pats' physical profile! He's a weird one to evaluate for me, because it's tempting to lay all of his faults at the feet of playing out of position...but yet they are pretty significant faults, you know?
     
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    He's a complete mess. His technique is basically push-the-OL-back-as-fast-as-I-can-and-pray. I've rarely seen someone play in ~ 30 games and still not show any signs of nuance. His production profile is abysmal, both in raw stats and in market share or more advanced metrics; even though he played 0-tech a lot, he still ran himself out of opportunities to make plays.

    But then he'll make plays like this, and I just can't help but think that with 12 picks, it's worth it to gamble on his upside in the mid rounds:

     
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    Yep, he's tantalizing that way. But it's such a huge red flag when a prospect is "raw" without any reason to be raw. No big position shift, no late start in football, no small school without proper coaching or competition. It makes you wonder if learning techniques and play recognition may just not be his strong suit.
     
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    @patchick

    I forgot to tell you that he got back to me. Apparently he's working on re-adding this functionality, but he said with the new app it slowed everything down to sort the tables the way I mentioned above. He's redoing his code and he'll update at some point with the type of filters we want. So at some point -- maybe for next year -- we'll be all set. :)
     
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    Thanks, good to know! Sadly, the "download csv" option seems to have vanished. :(
     
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    I still have the option after I updated to the newest version. Try this link: RAS Data.
     
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    Thank you! Don't know why I couldn't find it.
     
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    Anything for my favorite moderator. ;)
     
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    it's amazing how often he's updating everything..
     
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    Yeah, every week there's an update with pro day details. It may not be a perfect app yet, but I'm shocked he's giving it away for free. There's a lot of useful information. I particularly like the function to produce scouting reports.
     

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