Aaron Schatz on Moss trade

[ctpatsfan77]

Over at Football Outsiders, Aaron Schatz had this to say:

For the record, I've spoken to a few people behind the scenes and while I can't give specifics, believe me that everything you've heard about Moss arguing with coaches this season is about half as bad as it actually was. From a stat analyst perspective, the trade makes no sense, but from a team psychology perspective, it had to happen.

(If anyone is upset that I can't divulge details, I'll remind you that I don't befriend people in the league so that I can report rumors. I befriend people in the league so that they will suggest improvements in the stats, or teach me [things] that will allow FO to give you better overall analysis.)

 

[ALP]

There's so many differing stories her it's really annoying me. Ppl should either drop the subject or simply divulge where their info is coming from, we have a bunch of mEdia guys that all say moss was an evident hassle, and then we have all the players that say nothing was wrong and that moss was a great leader

Now I don't expect the players to come out and reveal all but all this high praise doesn't seem right if these media reports are correct

 

[sbpatfan]

Like father like son. Bill doesn't say crap and neither do the players. Shocker.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

There's so many differing stories her it's really annoying me. Ppl should either drop the subject or simply divulge where their info is coming from, we have a bunch of mEdia guys that all say moss was an evident hassle, and then we have all the players that say nothing was wrong and that moss was a great leader

Now I don't expect the players to come out and reveal all but all this high praise doesn't seem right if these media reports are correct

Sure it does. Just grasp what you're dealing with. Players supported Vick and Ben and swore Tavaris Jackson or Rex Grossman was their guy... Here moreso than ever, the players toe the company line in season just like former players turned mediots struggle to seperate entirely from their loyalty to the team they played most successfully for although on many levels their association (NFLPA or union as some call it) and the culture of celebrity and the age of FA and all the crossover interaction they experience today (commercials, TV shows, post career gigs, all star and national team appearances...) leads to an athletes first culture of solidarity on different situational levels...

Moss was an opportunity for an exciting ride. Simmons comparison is the (male fantasy) hot girl you know you're not gonna marry...but you'll never pass up the shot to hookup with or forget how great the sex was or hopefully make a mistake as a result or you live to regret.

Bill Simmons: Randy Moss trade right move for New England Patriots - ESPN

 

[Joker]

any truth to the rumor that Moss was the 2nd gunman on the grassy knoll?

 

[eagle eye]

Another bull**** article. But of course there are so many idiots on here who take the mediots for real.

 

[upstater1]

Another bull**** article. But of course there are so many idiots on here who take the mediots for real.

You're right.

Randy Moss didn't blow-up after the Bengals win.

He never went berzerk during the national anthem.

Troy Brown is a liar as well.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

I just keep going back to what Revis said about Moss in the second half of the Jets game; something to the effect of Moss playing with his foot on the brake.

Whether true or false, whatever Revis saw (and I do believe he saw something), BB saw it as well and it seemed like after the Jets game, BB decided that Moss would no longer command the game plan.

And once BB saw how that worked on the field for games 3 and 4 and combined it with the reaction Moss was having to it off the field, I think Bb came to the conclusion that he had to move Moss or risk losing the locker room.

Be that as it may, you have to remember the offense did not win the Miami game, turnovers and special teams did. Not sure those will be there game in and game out for the rest of the season.

 

[eagle eye]

You're right.

Randy Moss didn't blow-up after the Bengals win.

He never went berzerk during the national anthem.

Troy Brown is a liar as well.

Troy Brown is one of my all time favourite players but I despise what he is doing now.

 

[Synovia]

we have a bunch of mEdia guys that all say moss was an evident hassle, and then we have all the players that say nothing was wrong and that moss was a great leader

Aaron's statement, and the players' statements aren't necessarily at odds. its entirely possible that Moss and the coaches were having it out, but doing it in such a way that it was staying out of the lockerroom until the halftime fight with obrien .

 

[Synovia]

I just keep going back to what Revis said about Moss in the second half of the Jets game; something to the effect of Moss playing with his foot on the brake.

Whether true or false, whatever Revis saw (and I do believe he saw something), BB saw it as well and it seemed like after the Jets game, BB decided that Moss would no longer command the game plan.
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Revis must have seen it on TV in the locker room, because thats where he was the whole second half of that game.

Revis's comment is nothing more than anger/jealousy that Cromartie did a much better job covering Moss than he did. Revis was trying to save face.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Another bull**** article. But of course there are so many idiots on here who take the mediots for real.

Most of us take them with a grain of salt. But when believing the opposite because you have to even though it flies in the face of logic is the definition of idiocy... What's the old agage, the truth generally lies somewhere in the middle. Randy was not the devil incarnate, and he wasn't the greatest teamate of all time. Kinda like that QB who preceded Brady. He was a supremely talented athlete who like many before and after him remain tragically flawed on some level. Randy wants to compete and win...on his terms. Life and football don't always accommodate your terms. Football like life is all about choices. Randy's terms mattered more to him than winning. Within the parameters of team sports that is almost always going to lead to a disconnect...

 

[Synovia]

Troy Brown is one of my all time favourite players but I despise what he is doing now.

Agree, hes an absolutely terrible analyst. He just parrots whatever he hears from other analysts.

 

[emoney_33]

There's so many differing stories her it's really annoying me. Ppl should either drop the subject or simply divulge where their info is coming from, we have a bunch of mEdia guys that all say moss was an evident hassle, and then we have all the players that say nothing was wrong and that moss was a great leader

Now I don't expect the players to come out and reveal all but all this high praise doesn't seem right if these media reports are correct

There are 50-100 people who have 50-100 different perspectives and pieces of information on the team. You can expect each "source" to have at least a slightly different variation of how they depict events.

IMO the trade had more to do with Moss and BB's private discussions than anything Moss did with his teammates/coaches.

 

[emoney_33]

You're right.

Randy Moss didn't blow-up after the Bengals win.

He never went berzerk during the national anthem.

Troy Brown is a liar as well.

Berzerk? Neither the Bengals PC nor the extremely poor timing of firing his team up during the anthem would be anywhere close to grounds for a TRADE. At BEST they'd be grounds for disciplinary action / words from the coach.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Troy Brown is one of my all time favourite players but I despise what he is doing now.

I don't despise it so much as I just take it all with a grain of salt. He definitely does a pretty lousy job.

 

[Rob0729]

Who knows what really happened, but there is far too much smoke for there not to be a fire. The Pats aren't trading Moss in season because they want to do Moss a favor for what he has done for the team. There was obviously something going on.

Schatz is not a reporter or a rumor monger. So I doubt he is writing this to get press. He echos former players close to the team.

Obviously, Belchick felt Moss was more detrimental to the team than keeping him around. He has moved on and I think disjoint we.

 

[emoney_33]

Who knows what really happened, but there is far too much smoke for there not to be a fire. The Pats aren't trading Moss in season because they want to do Moss a favor for what he has done for the team. There was obviously something going on.

Schatz is not a reporter or a rumor monger. So I doubt he is writing this to get press. He echos former players close to the team.

Obviously, Belchick felt Moss was more detrimental to the team than keeping him around. He has moved on and I think disjoint we.

Mesko might tell Schatz something different than Brady tells him. Just because he has a "source" within the team doesn't mean that source has every last detail and it also doesn't mean that source doesn't have his own personal opinion.

The "lockerroom" is a bunch of individual players, all with their own perspectives, relationships, insights, and knowledge, just like every other place on earth with multiple human beings working toward the same goal.

 

[Rob0729]

Mesko might tell Schatz something different than Brady tells him. Just because he has a "source" within the team doesn't mean that source has every last detail and it also doesn't mean that source doesn't have his own personal opinion.

The "lockerroom" is a bunch of individual players, all with their own perspectives, relationships, insights, and knowledge, just like every other place on earth with multiple human beings working toward the same goal.

Schatz has a lot of sources in this area. He echos what Bruschi, Troy Brown, and Rodney has said. It isn't like his comments are much different than others with close sources have said.

It is quite obvious that Moss was a problem or the Pats feared he wad becoming a problem. They don't trade him in season if they didn't.

 

[emoney_33]

Schatz has a lot of sources in this area. He echos what Bruschi, Troy Brown, and Rodney has said. It isn't like his comments are much different than others with close sources have said.

It is quite obvious that Moss was a problem or the Pats feared he wad becoming a problem. They don't trade him in season if they didn't.

Please explain to me why Wilfork and others felt the need to vehemently defend Moss but not AD.

I'll just ignore your "a lot of sources" comment as that means absolutely nothing. He could know every single player on the team and still get his information from 2-3 unreliable guys.