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[shmessy]

That's not just context, that's defense and rationalization, not meaning those terms in a bad way. As I noted



And, given that you take such a keen interest in my postings, you surely know that I've used those very defenses and rationalizations on this board when talking about BB in the past.

Wow. Who needs Ras I when we have you backpedaling so well?

Sign the beast!

 

[upstater1]

Deus, you are being a little angry and petty here. The notion that Brady carried the Patriots to championships in 2004, 2003 and especially 2001 is dubious at best. It isn't like 2001 Brady was anywhere close to 2007-2012 Brady. Your attempts at trying to paint Belichick as some lucky coach who had Brady to cover for him is just spite. Brady is a damn good coach/GM and Brady is a damn good QB. You don't have the success this team has had over the years without both statements being true.

I agree Brady carried them in 2003-2004. Just not 2001.

I mean, Brady slung that ball around against Carolina, while the defense gave up almost 30 points in 30 minutes.

He was also a stud against the Eagles, though the Eagles played well that day.

His performance in the early rounds relied more on the defense, though he was excellent in Pittsburgh the day Deion Branch and the offense went wild.

 

[Nunchucks]

Just because it is in the online dictionary doesn't mean it is a real word, they put anything in those things.

Is stupidest a word

The superlative form of stupid is most stupid, as in I made the most stupid mistake, not stupidest. Stupidest can be heard and seen everywhere, but it's wrong. (Please don't ask me to roll out my entire exposition on why finding a word in a modern dictionary doesn't make it legitimate, standard English.

 

[Deus Irae]

Wow. Who needs Ras I when we have you backpedaling so well?

Sign the beast!

It's not backpedaling at all. It's being completely consistent, actually.

I think BB is a great coach, and he's right up at the very top. I also think "IBBIT" is moronic, because even great coaches screw up and Belichick has had to have Brady bail him out on numerous occasions ('06/'09/'10/'12).

Realistically, if you want to look at guys who were clearly great coaches regardless of the QB, you can, for the most part, start and end with Joe Gibbs.

 

[Deus Irae]

Just because it is in the online dictionary doesn't mean it is a real word, they put anything in those things.

Is stupidest a word

I'll note that you're pointing to Wiki.answers to contest the dictionary, laugh my ass off, and leave it at that.

 

[BradyFTW!]

It's not backpedaling at all. It's being completely consistent, actually.

I think BB is a great coach, and he's right up at the very top. I also think "IBBIT" is moronic, because even great coaches screw up and Belichick has had to have Brady bail him out on numerous occasions ('06/'09/'10/'12).

Realistically, if you want to look at guys who were clearly great coaches regardless of the QB, you can, for the most part, start and end with Joe Gibbs.

As someone who generally has a lot of faith in the front office, I agree. Belichick is usually right, but that doesn't (and shouldn't) make him immune to criticism. He's frequently wrong, and oddly enough, the failures are oftentimes pretty easy to see coming, to a lot of untrained eyes. You can acknowledge that he's the best and be pumped to have him while also criticizing the moves that warrant it.

 

[Nunchucks]

I'll note that you're pointing to Wiki.answers to contest the dictionary, laugh my ass off, and leave it at that.

Whatever, you are the one who wants to use words that do not exist, have at it. I use fake words all the time. Thought I was helping you out, apparently, you perfer to use words like stupidist....

 

[Deus Irae]

Whatever, you are the one who wants to use words that do not exist, have at it.

But the word does exist, despite your claim.


So does "ain't", by the way.

 

[shmessy]

It's not backpedaling at all. It's being completely consistent, actually.

I think BB is a great coach, and he's right up at the very top. I also think "IBBIT" is moronic, because even great coaches screw up and Belichick has had to have Brady bail him out on numerous occasions ('06/'09/'10/'12).

Realistically, if you want to look at guys who were clearly great coaches regardless of the QB, you can, for the most part, start and end with Joe Gibbs.

Wrongo.

Gibbs was great only in the pre-salary cap era when the Skins could keep the Hogs, etc. together forever.

He could not pull his weight in the modern NFL - - he was an abject failure when he tried to return. It was pathetic. I had a pretty good vantage point down here for that debacle.

 

[BSR]

It's not backpedaling at all. It's being completely consistent, actually.

I think BB is a great coach, and he's right up at the very top. I also think "IBBIT" is moronic, because even great coaches screw up and Belichick has had to have Brady bail him out on numerous occasions ('06/'09/'10/'12).

Realistically, if you want to look at guys who were clearly great coaches regardless of the QB, you can, for the most part, start and end with Joe Gibbs.

Belichick screwing up does not invalidate IBBIT. IBBIT only means that I think he is a great coach and believe he is more likely to make the right decisions over some other coach never mind some reporter, raidio personality or message board poster. And in cases like this one I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt (even though I still hate the way it feels). Its not carte blanche everything he has ever done is perfect and every thing he will do is perfect.

 

[Claremonster]

I don't disagree that Belichick made the decision, my point is that Kraft has known exactly what the patriots have been offering and that it wasn't a matter of Welker needing to compromise, and that it would never keep him here "for life." Belichick is the one who screwed the pooch, Kraft just should have kept quiet instead of trying to mislead patriot fans about Welker's position and their desire to keep him.


Letting Welker go to Denver was a huge mistake, and may well be the decision that keeps Brady and Co. from winning any more Lombardis. I have no idea how they are going to stop that offense, and there aren't any defenders they are going to be willing to pay who can stop them. This goes down in the biggest dumbass moves of all time Hall of fame.

Shut the FCUK up and go be a Donko's fan already.

 

[Deus Irae]

Belichick screwing up does not invalidate IBBIT...

Sure it does.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Shut the FCUK up and go be a Donko's fan already.

Don't like it? Too bad, letting Welker go to their chief competition for the AFC was as stupid as it gets.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I agree that letting Welker go was a huge mistake.

But what might make it worse is that now we go drafting for needs and not the best talent available, in looking for a slot. One has to think Robert Woods out of USC is almost a gimmie.

And what rubs salt into the wound is the pick, first in the second, two years ago of Ras-I Dowling, when we had been without Randy Moss for a bit and desperately needed a deep threat.

The Ravens a little later in that round nabbed Torrey Smith.

I just hope we can reload at the WR position and Dowling comes back and stays healthy a whole season--he's got elite size and first-round talent. The knock has always been his health, which is why Welker's replacement has a ton of pressure on him to stay healthy.

He hasn't shown the durability of Welker.

Why do you think they'll replace Welker in the draft, when they already signed Amendola?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Don't like it? Too bad, letting Welker go to their chief competition for the AFC was as stupid as it gets.

What is your recommendation? Franchise him at $11.4m and trade him when the market showed he should have only received $6m.

It would not surprise me to learn that after they franchised him last year and you had 21 different WRs in camp, they quietly shopped him for picks for which they could use this year.

 

[BSR]

Sure it does.

Disagree. Saying you don't have trust in your coach means that you must not think he is very good. Why would you ever hire a person if you don't trust them to do it well?

You are basically trying to change IBBIT to something else.

 

[BSR]

Don't like it? Too bad, letting Welker go to their chief competition for the AFC was as stupid as it gets.

Really? Not as stupid as signing him to a "hometown discount" of 5years/$40million/$20m guaranteed.

Now THAT would have been stupid as I am sure we can all agree.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Really? Not as stupid as signing him to a "hometown discount" of 5years/$40million/$20m guaranteed.

Now THAT would have been stupid as I am sure we can all agree.

Really? If he was only worth 6 million why did they give him 9.5 for 1 year?

Welker's production earned him a contract in that range, especially when guys who couldn't carry his jock were getting much more than that and still are. And I was far from alone in calling for 8 million a year and still feel they should have done it.

And yes, allowing him to go to Denver when they could have had him back with Amendola for another million a year is ******ed, and everyone is going to agree with that if the Broncos take out the Patriots in next year's play-offs, which is a distinct possibility.

I would never expect oll of you who trashed him to get that but then again I really don't expect you guysto get much anyways.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Really? If he was only worth 6 million why did they give him 9.5 for 1 year?

Welker's production earned him a contract in that range, especially when guys who couldn't carry his jock were getting much more than that and still are. And I was far from alone in calling for 8 million a year and still feel they should have done it.

And yes, allowing him to go to Denver when they could have had him back with Amendola for another million a year is ******ed, and everyone is going to agree with that if the Broncos take out the Patriots in next year's play-offs, which is a distinct possibility.

I would never expect oll of you who trashed him to get that but then again I really don't expect you guysto get much anyways.

Offense is changing ... if you don't like it nobody cares ... the goal is rings ... not stats.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Disagree. Saying you don't have trust in your coach means that you must not think he is very good. Why would you ever hire a person if you don't trust them to do it well?

You are basically trying to change IBBIT to something else.

Complete crap, IBBWT, as a mantra is stupid if it means he is all knowing and above making any mistakes or criticism. I am seriously pissed about the way he handled Welker and believe he screwed it up badly and for no reason but I would still maintain that he is the GOAT and that there isn't anybody else I would choose over him. I have had many arguments with the draft know it alls*who trash his drafting, and have even called for him to be replaced in that regard, because while he has weaknesses in drafting at WR and DB he still does well enough to keep them at the top of the heap while rebuilding his entire team. Belichick is great but he isn't perfect, and he had flaws, his ego being one of them.