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  1. sb1

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    Can't wait till the refs throw flags to benefit the league's favorite QBs and award them the ball on this play.
     
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    They are destroying the game.

    Successful onside kicks are one of the most exciting plays in football.
     
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    A QB can make a 4th and 15 occasionally. A great QB with the game on the line will make a 4th and 15 more than occasionally. How often were teams successful on onside kicks? A team has the KC Chiefs down with less than a minute to go. But Mahomes has a 4th and 15th to keep possession?
     
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    It looks like someone could get a touchdown off of this play too. The defense has to defend the whole field like a regular play. It seems like they should make it like a long 2 pt. conversion try from the 15 yd. line so the defense has less field to cover. If the offense converts the "try" they get the ball on their own 40 yd. line. This proposal being considered is very favorable to the offense as written.
     
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    People will hate, but I think it's a great idea for both competition and safety reasons.
     
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    They really aren't. Since the kickoff rules have become stricter, practically all elements of skill have been removed from the onside kick process. If you like watching people get lucky at dice rolls go to the casino.
     
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    Can you imagine the collective rage if the patriots make the playoffs by converting a 4th and 15? The rule wouldn't last a year.
     
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    Teams will design penalty drawing plays and this will be ridiculous. It's that or they will call it as though it's a hail mary and that's just as stupid.
     
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    I’m praying this nonsense fails, but I have little hope it will. Why not just adjust the rules for onside kicks to increase the likelihood they succeed? Maybe allow teams to declare they’re doing an onside kick and allow them to again re-stack one side like the old days only without the running start.

    I’ve been watching football for a long time, and I can’t ever remember a player getting hurt on an onside kick even under the old rules.
     
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    BB will know more about the rule than the league including the officials. He most likely has strategies for offense and defense.
     
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    Not happening this year.
     
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    QBs are already the most overpowered player in sports. This only adds to the importance of the QB position and benefits high powered passing attacks. Why not have the conversion be the trailing team challenging the leading team to convert a 4th and 1? Give the trailing team's defense a chance to make a play.
     
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    Better idea, since this is all about giving the losing team a better chance to win. In the 4th quarter, the "winning" team can only play with 10 on defense. So if a team scores to take the lead, they would then play with 10 on defense. Continues until the game ends
     
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    Just spitballing here. There's 5 seconds left in the game, you score a touchdown and are up by 4. You've got a monster punter with toms of hang time. You don't want to kick off and defend all those laterals. Can you take the 4th and 15 and punt? Maybe I missed it, but it doesn't seem that is prevented. You force the other team to fair catch it at their 30 with no chance of the laterals. I'm not sure the clock would be running but you've got the other team backed up, and now you've got your defense on the field, ready to go, (without hopefully your tight end on the field playing defense).

    I realize this is all kind of preposterous (I'm still isolating at home and bored). But is it against the rules?
     
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    To me, the problem here is that this only provides a better option for getting the ball back when trailing. That has never been a problem for me, I WANT it to be hard to get the ball back, otherwise you're rewarding the losing team in a way.

    This proposal only makes sense in the context of eliminating the kickoff entirely. I'm not advocating for that (put down your pitchforks), but in that scenario you would need some way for the losing team to have a chance to keep going, and this would provide that. But with regular kickoffs, there's no reason to add this IMO.
     
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    It doesn't sound like you can punt, as the whole risk/reward side of it is based on giving your opponent the ball deep in your territory if you fail to convert. I'm guessing you choose to attempt the 4th and 15, or you kick.
     
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    Lol...is there any other play in professional sports where teams are limited in how many times they can use them? This is the dumbest proposal yet, which is saying a lot.
     
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    Or we could just give everyone a participation trophy and not declare a winner
     
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    I agree with what the intent of the rule is, but reading through the language there is absolutely nothing preventing a team from punting. Who better than Bill to exploit a loophole? I agree this is kind of silly but there's a big difference between the intent of a rule and the actual language of the rule.
     
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    People will "hate", because it sucks from start to finish.
     
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