3 needs, all filled, and the whining continues

[captain stone]

Odd statement considering the unprecedented run on OTs this draft. That’s why I wanted Patrick Paul, a first round talent physically, athletically, and temperamentally, in the second round.

Receivers are easier to grab mid rounds.

I do love Ja’Lynn Polk. But a pick too early?

I would've been ok with Paul at #34, who was already my next-favorite LT besides Suamataia.

Here are the two main roads that Yesterday should've travelled:

- Paul / Suamataia at 37, then either Polk himself or his teammate McMillan, or Roman Wilson, at 68;

- Adonai Mitchell at 37, then Yale Left Tackle Kieran Amagadjie at 68.

 

[Bill Lee]

It's not the position people are complaining about. It's the possible "value" of these players or "possible" lack of motivation by Pats brass to move up to take higher rated players at both of those spots. We saw how the draft board fell and we know who those players were. Yes we have other holes as well but we should have tried harder to use our resources to get better value. I know we won't know until the season starts in what we have but I had other preferences, including moving up to take Payton Wilson. He's a big gamble but it's Brian Urlacher-lite payoff if he stays healthy.

Right, but the "value" that people are using to judge the draft is not factual, it's just a collated set of opinions formed by consensus.

People get sooooo butt-hurt because things don't go the way an opinion poll told them they were going to go.

People are so convinced they understand everything about the players based on those opinion polls but unlike the teams they've never had a 1:1 with the players, done deep dives with their coaches, have detailed knowledge of the team's current players in terms of performance, injuries, salary demands, etc.

Mock drafts are far from perfect, yet people treat them as if they are, and it's nonsense to me.

Hell, NFL front offices are far from perfect too, but they aren't picking from an opinion poll, they know they have to integrate a given player into their actual team and be able to make that work even when real-life players often have "complicated" personalities.

For many being able to vent based on stupid perceptions is a big part of being a sports fan, but for me, I give it a pass.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Odd statement considering the unprecedented run on OTs this draft. That’s why I wanted Patrick Paul, a first round talent physically, athletically, and temperamentally, in the second round.

Receivers are easier to grab mid rounds.

I do love Ja’Lynn Polk. But a pick too early?

Whys it odd? The OT run ended in rd 1 so that was irrelevant to pick 34. Paul is also a bit of a project and went towards the bottom of rd 2. This is where i mentioned we should have traded up from 68 for him, fisher, or suamataia. 34/37 was too early to start looking at that group so good to get the wr. But the front office was fine staying put for wallace. Wouldn’t have cost very much to go from 68 to the high 50s.

 

[sb1]

LSU.

Will Campbell. Will phucking Campbell.

Better than Alt. Right now.

Ready for Calvin Anderson or VLowe or Chuks Okorafor as your LT?

We’re still going to be in rebuilding mode for another season.

That last part is true no matter what we did. That’s the mess our former GM/HC created and it’s not that easy to fix.

 

[State]

The OT run ended in rd 1

???

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

???

The last ot taken in rd 1 was pick 29. No more tackles were taken until 55. Those are seperate ‘runs’

 

[Wozzy]

Just taking a prospect and uttering the words "the position is filled" doesn't make it so.

And I love the whole "these people are whining" takes, and... what else does this board exist for if not to provide our opinions about the Patriots?

Are we supposed to rubber stamp every move the new regime makes simply because BB is gone and he was a meanie? Or because they seem like really really nice guys and they deserve the benefit of the doubt... even though they took a WR with 4th round talent in the 2nd or reached for an OT in the 3rd who isn't better than Calvin Anderson if he's healthy because they screwed up by not taking one sooner?

Give me a break with the faux outrage... Drake Maye was a layup, every player taken afterwards fell with a thud.

 

[Uptown]

I would've been ok with Paul at #34 too.

Patrick Paul is overrated. He’s the guy who you think is gonna be great, but 2-4 years from now…average at best.

 

[Wozzy]

I would've been ok with Paul at #34 too.

They could have traded down to 37 like they did and taken him.

They could have traded down again and got more picks back and still taken him or settled on Kingsley Sumiataia....

Instead they took a WR comparable to Bourne, Osborn or a younger Juju.

 

[State]

The last ot taken in rd 1 was pick 29. No more tackles were taken until 55. Those are seperate ‘runs’

And then they starting rapidly falling off the board—well before our pick at 68.

So the run merely had a lull.

 

[upstater1]

It's not the position people are complaining about. It's the possible "value" of these players or "possible" lack of motivation by Pats brass to move up to take higher rated players at both of those spots. We saw how the draft board fell and we know who those players were. Yes we have other holes as well but we should have tried harder to use our resources to get better value. I know we won't know until the season starts in what we have but I had other preferences, including moving up to take Payton Wilson. He's a big gamble but it's Brian Urlacher-lite payoff if he stays healthy.

And let's face it, in this draft we were slated to get the 34th and 68th best player.

By comparison, consider that in many other years, the quality of player there would be equal to our first and second rounder since we were always drafting at the very end of rounds.

Essentially, these two were the equal of our premium picks from other years.

 

[Real fan 02]

Bottom line won't be known for months if not years, till we see if Maye was worth #3 or not.

Otherwise the story will be:

According to Breer, the Patriots rejected trade offers for #3 from the New York Giants and Minnesota Vikings. ​

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Breer: "“Earlier this week, Minnesota offered the Nos. 11 and 23 picks, and its 2025 first-rounder, with pick swaps favoring the Vikings as part of the proposal; and that offer ticked up with New England on the clock,”​

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If this is true, and I don't doubt it, then the Patriots whiffed on a chance for a major upgrade. Queue the second guessing, but with the Vikings picks the Patriots could have taken OT Fashanu and WR Brian Thomas/Xavier Worthy...or various other combinations including a QB....plus an extra first round next year. Yikes; that would have been an instant upgrade.​

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Drake Maye better be the Second Coming or else this pick will haunt them for years.​

Ref: Patriots rejected two major trade offers?

If Maye is a hit Wolf will be praised, if he is not he will be savaged.

Personally I'm really happy that they went with Maye at #3 regardless of how he works out because it was the right pick for this team at this time.

Hindsight as always will be 20/20.

Maye is seemingly a great kid, love his personality and his natural southern charm.. he feels so gronk-like in his nature. This pick feels like the real deal to me.. big, strong, athletic guy.

This is what the 2020s QBs need to have in order to lead a team. Love the Polk pick at WR also. I still believe a trade is brewing for a WR..

 

[Wozzy]

Patrick Paul is overrated. He’s the guy who you think is gonna be great, but 2-4 years from now…average at best.

Every draft pick comes with risk, they're all dice rolls... Patrick Paul is ridiculously athletic, a blue chip first round talent... which is exactly what you should be aspiring too in the second round. You want first round talent in the second round if it's still on the board.

Later on is when you draft culture guys, or "try hard" guys who get by on pluck and grit... in the first three rounds you draft absurd athletes who can raise the ceiling of your team.

The Pat's front office let the draft get away from them in the second round with a dud pick and never recovered. Other front offices ate their lunch. Needs aren't filled if the prospects you took aren't better than the options you already have on your roster.

 

[sb1]

No Polk is not the burner that we wanted but he is absolutely a major upgrade to the room. Have no problem with the pick.

The burners were there at 3 but we went QB. I’m fine with that too.

 

[BadMoFo]

I would've been ok with Paul at #34 too.

No you wouldn’t have. We all know regardless of who we drafted and where we drafted them, you would’ve found something wrong with it.

 

[VrabelJr]

We drafted a WR after a run on WRs happened right in front of us. We drafted an OT after a run on OTs. I’m sorry but this draft rhymes with all the other recent drafts that fans here hate.

There was so much value at defensive positions in the second. First round value. We decided to think short term instead of long term.
Let’s hope being a contrarian works out for us this time and Polk is our Deebo/Metcalf/Brown and everyone else got it wrong.

 

[Uptown]

Every draft pick comes with risk, they're all dice rolls... Patrick Paul is ridiculously athletic, a blue chip first round talent... which is exactly what you should be aspiring too in the second round. You want first round talent in the second round, if it's still on the board.

Later on is when you draft culture guys, or "try hard" guys who get by on pluck and grit... in the first three rounds you draft absurd athletes who can raise the ceiling of your team.

The Pat's front office let the draft get away from them in the second round with a dud pick and never recovered. Other front offices ate their lunch. Needs aren't filled if the prospects you took aren't better than the options you already have on your roster.

That’s my point. Wallace has very good size/athletic traits which is why Wolf and company see him as a potential LT. We don’t know yet, but yet people are complaining. If we do indeed hit on the pick, we got him at excellent value..

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

And then they starting rapidly falling off the board—well before our pick at 68.

So the run merely had a lull.

Trading up from 68 to late 50s wouldn’t have been hard if we really wanted any of those guys. Ot is a dire need so giving up a 5th rounder or whatever is an easy move to make. So they didn’t value those guys that much higher than wallace.

I guess we have different definition of a run. I always considered it when a string of the same position goes in high quantity closer together i.e 6 qbs in he top 12 or 4 cbs going consecutively at pick 40-44.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

We drafted a WR after a run on WRs happened right in front of us. We drafted an OT after a run on OTs. I’m sorry but this draft rhymes with all the other recent drafts that fans here hate.

Let’s hope being a contrarian works out for us this time and Polk is our Deebo/Metcalf/Brown and everyone else got it wrong.

There was so much value at defensive positions in the second. First round value. We decided to think short term instead of long term.

Yeah but we traded out of that wr run so we COULD have had one of those guys but clearly preferred polk over ladd. Right or wrong we’ll see but it wasn’t a forced pick. It also wouldn’t have cost much to trade up to 32 for legette if we really liked him. The panthers gave up virtually nothing to trade up from 33.

Wallace you may have a point and im on record saying we should have traded up into that 2nd OT run. Hope it doesn’t bite us in the end.

 

[Wozzy]

That’s my point. Wallace has very good size/athletic traits which is why Wolf and company see him as a potential LT. We don’t know yet, but yet people are complaining. If we do indeed hit on the pick, we got him at excellent value..

He doesn't have very good size/athletic traits... he has decent speed and vertical leap, beyond that he's not overly wide and his agility drills sucked.

A tackle can make up for shorter arms by being quick on his feet and mobile... which doesn't happen with bad agility drills. This was a desperation pick after they got caught napping on offensive tackle in the second round.