2025 NFL Immediate Re-Drafts

[bakes781]

Just based on BPA for @One-If-By-Sea lol

4) Mason Graham DT
38) Luther Burden WR
69) Shavon Revel CB
95) Xavier Watts S
106) Deone Walker DT
137) Joshua Farmer DT
146) Bradyn Swinson EDGE
182) Jaylen Reed S
220) Damien Martinez RB
251) Luke Lachey TE
257) Logan Brown OL

 

[bakes781]

Now what I would've done. Of course hindsite being 20/20


4) Armand Membou OT
38) Aireontae Ersery OT
69) Kyle Williams WR
95) Xavier Watts S
106) Kyle Kennard EDGE
137) Joshua Farmer DT
146) Marcus Mbow G
182) Kobe King LB
220) Damien Martinez RB
251) CJ Dippre TE
257) Logan Brown OL

 

[WaterfallJumper]

No ones cares. The point is you getting attention. Thats all.

I mean this diplomatically, but why even post at all in that case? Just move on if this thread isn't your thing.

The rest of us are here to discuss and enjoy football now that we're past The draft and into the doldrums of the season. We like to see how we stack up against professionals.

We've done a redraft thread for decades, so it's part of the established patsfans culture by this point. I'd recommend you mute the thread if it's not your cup of tea.

 

[imahobgoblin]

I mean this diplomatically, but why even post at all in that case? Just move on if this thread isn't your thing.

The rest of us are here to discuss and enjoy football now that we're past The draft and into the doldrums of the season. We like to see how we stack up against professionals.

We've done a redraft thread for decades, so it's part of the established patsfans culture by this point. I'd recommend you mute the thread if it's not your cup of tea.

Or you can mute me if you don't like what I post. Amazing how you don't follow your own advice. I have been on this forum longer than you will ever know. I know its culture. lol.


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[Grogan14]

Who would you have rather picked with NE's picks that they used?

I'll share my meaningless re-draft now:
1) Will Campbell, OT, LSU
2) Luther Burden, WR, Mizzou
3) Trevor Eteinne, RB, UGA
3) Gunnar Helm, TE, Texas
4) Jack Sawyer, DE, Ohio State
4) Mitchell Evans, TE, ND
5) Denzel Burke, CB, Ohio State
6) Andres Borregales, K, Miami
7) Xavier Restrepo, WR, Miami
7) Hollin Pierce, OT, Rutgers

UDFAs: Will Rogers, QB, Washington; Hank Bachmeier, QB, Wake Forest; Jordan Waters, RB, NC State; Julian Fleming, WR Penn State; Eli Pancol, WR Duke; Chris Tyree, WR Virginia; Jordan Moore, WR, Duke; Dante Cephas, WR, Kansas State; Desmond Watson, DT Florida; Johnny Walker Jr., DE, Missouri; Justin White, CB, Davenport; Kevin Knowles II, FS, FSU

What do we think? Yay or nay? better or worse than Elliot Wolf?

i wanted tommy mellott in the 6th badly
I think he will be a star.
Upgrading the rb position was a critical priority.

 

[Rdforty2]

Who would you have rather picked with NE's picks that they used?

I'll share my meaningless re-draft now:
1) Will Campbell, OT, LSU
2) Luther Burden, WR, Mizzou
3) Trevor Eteinne, RB, UGA
3) Gunnar Helm, TE, Texas
4) Jack Sawyer, DE, Ohio State
4) Mitchell Evans, TE, ND
5) Denzel Burke, CB, Ohio State
6) Andres Borregales, K, Miami
7) Xavier Restrepo, WR, Miami
7) Hollin Pierce, OT, Rutgers

UDFAs: Will Rogers, QB, Washington; Hank Bachmeier, QB, Wake Forest; Jordan Waters, RB, NC State; Julian Fleming, WR Penn State; Eli Pancol, WR Duke; Chris Tyree, WR Virginia; Jordan Moore, WR, Duke; Dante Cephas, WR, Kansas State; Desmond Watson, DT Florida; Johnny Walker Jr., DE, Missouri; Justin White, CB, Davenport; Kevin Knowles II, FS, FSU

What do we think? Yay or nay? better or worse than Elliot Wolf?

I like how the draft played out in real life better. That tells you just how impressive our draft actually was.

I'm a big Burden guy. But I'd MUCH rather have Henderson/Williams than Burden/Etienne.

I'd equally rather have Wilson, Woodson, Farmer, and Swinson than the next 4 you have. And we actually acquired an extra '26 pick along with it. Not only do i like the talent better, the positions addressed are better.

I never understood the obsession with addressing TE with mid round picks, let alone using 2 to address it. We have 2 capable veterans and a developmental guy who's every bit the athlete Harold Fannin is, who was a high 3. And the veterans aren't so old that they are on their last legs. We could always extend Henry even longer and have a rookie as a backup in a year or two. It's not a dire upgrade.

 

[Brotherblues]

Nitpicking of course but the two things I could not have brought myself to do:

Passing on Ezeriuaku at 38.
Passing on Noel at 77.

 

[manxman2601]

Nitpicking of course but the two things I could not have brought myself to do:

Passing on Ezeriuaku at 38.
Passing on Noel at 77.

Ezeiruaku was a tough one but I'm fine with how things ended up adding Swinson. Jaylin Noel v Kyle Williams will be an interesting watch in the future but I think Williams being an outside receiver vs Noel being a slot was the deciding factor there. Anyway, Noel will never get to play now we have the beast that is Efton Chism

 

[mayoclinic]

Assuming Will Campbell works out, I don't see how anyone could have done much better.

Biggest inflection point was at 4. To OT, or not to OT? Without a trade back partner, really tough. OT sets up the rest of the draft to not reach. I would probably have gone with either Josh Simmons (depending on medicals; that he went 32 suggests there were concerns) or Jalen Walker. But then I have to try to trade up for Simmons, and miss out on a bounty of good value picks.

I might have taken Mason Taylor or Elijah Arroyo over Henderson at 38, and Jaylin Noel over Williams at 69, but can't argue against what the team chose.

So really my only redraft would be at 220 and below, which is really nit-picking:

220. OT Logan Brown or RB Damien Martinez

251. Logan Brown (if not at 220) or CBs Zy Alexander or Cobee Bryant

I'm VERY happy the Dolphins traded up for Jonah Savaiinaea, if reports are true. I had a 3rd round grade on him, like Jared Wilson at C more, not even counting the trade-backs and value.

 

[mayoclinic]

I've been trying to come up with some "chess" simulations that I think were "better" - at least for my assessment - than what they Pats did, and I can't really come up with one. I can come up with some that I would have been happy with, but none that I like as much.

The key factors of this draft were (1) the Pats boxed themselves into a corner at the LT position, (2) there was no trade-down market at #4, (3) it as the deepest draft in over a decade, and (4) it was thin at the top.

If the Pats go LT at #4, then it frees up the rest of the draft to find values. We can all say we preferred a small trade-down, but there was none to be had. Campbell has questions, and we might have preferred Membou/Simmons/Banks, but they all had questions, too.

If you go with someone other than LT at #4, such as Jeanty/Walker/Warren, then you are boxed into a corner to trade up for a LT. Even assuming you could pull such a trade off, it would deplete your draft capital and prevent you from moving around to pick up values. You couldn't predict Wilson, Farmer and Swinson falling to 95, 137 and 146, but given how deep this draft was I think you could reliably predict that some good players would fall.

So if I try:

4. Jalon Walker, LB/EDGE. A defensive chess piece, I had him a tier above Campbell.

Trade 38 + 69 to move up for Simmons or Conerly. Not sure this would work - the Rams got a 2026 1st for moving from 26 to 46 (they gave up a bit more, but not much). And if it didn't, the Pats would have a huge hole at LT, and would be boxed in to reaching for Ersery or Trapilo. But I'll assume it for this exercise.

Then I get 2 players in my top tier, and I'm doing cartwheels. But now we've lost the chance to weaponize the offense with Henderson and Williams.

By luck Jaylin Noel is available at 77, so I grab him. But now I've lost out on Jared Wilson, #146, and a 2026 4th round pick (Chicago's).

Assume day 3 plays out as previously, except we miss out on Bradyn Swinson because we no longer have #146.

So I end up with:

4. Jalen Walker LB/EDGE
24-31 (depending on trade oartner): Josh Simmons, OT
77. Jaylin Noel, WR
106. Craig Woodson, S
137. Joshua Farmer, DT

I would have been ecstatic with that draft. But I can't say I like it better than what we actually got. It's riskier, and boxed us in more. We got a stud in Walker, but missed out on Henderson, Wilson and Swinson. We got 5 quality players instead of 7, plus some 2026 capital.

I can't honestly say it's as good.

Substitute Jeanty (Henderson may end up being as valuable for us, at cheaper cost, and possibly as longer shelf life since he would be used more strategically) or Warren, and I end up in a similar spot. Jeanty/Noel or Warren/Noel would be great, but not necessarily better than Henderson/Williams, and we would miss out on Wilson, Swinson, and a 2026 4th.

Mason Graham at 4? Then we take Swinson over Farmer at 137 and end up with Graham, Simmons, Noel, Woodson and Swinson. Great draft. But better than what we got? Nope.

I wasn't a T-Mac fan, but if if I were, run the simulation. McMillan at 4, trade up for Simmons/Conerly. Then you can trade back from 77, but you miss out on Henderson. So is McMillan better than Henderson + Williams? Not for me.

So the most I can do is minor quibbles over specific position/area picks:

- Campbell vs. Membou at 4
- Henderson vs. a TE like Taylor/Arroyo or a WR like Burden at 38.
- Williams vs. Noel at 69
- Xavier Watts at 95, then hope Jared Wilson falls to 106 or try to trade up for him

Not sure that any of those alternatives are clearly better than what the team did. And I'll take Henderson 38/Swinson 146 over Ezeiruaku/Green 38/Jaylen Blue any day.

If the Pats had gotten a stop-gap at LT in FA, or if a trade-down had been available (e.g., 4 to NO for 9 and 40) then the game would have been different. But given the parameters, I can't figure out a better outcome. And given how hard it is to adjust to the draft playing out in real time, that underscores to me just how impressive an effort this was.

 

[mayoclinic]

The Pats traded back from 77 to 85 + 146 right after Dallas took CB Shavon Revel. I would love to know if they were targeting Revel at 77. I had a 2nd round grade on Revel, he might have gone 1st if not for injury, and a ling-term combo of Gonzalez + Revel would have been awesome. But Wilson + Swinson + 2026 4th > Revel.

That was the fun thing about this draft, there were so many good players. At 75 and below I would have been happy with any of:

76. Shavon Revel, CB
78.Jordan Burch, DL
79. Jaylin Noel, WR
81. Dylan Fairchild, IOL
85. Nohl Williams, CB
89. Wyatt Milum, IOL
90. Josiah Stewart, EDGE
96. Xavier Watts, S
99. Charles Grant, OT
101. Sai'vion Jones, DL
109. Deone Walker, DT
111. Ty Robinson DL
123. Jack Sawyer, EDGE
125. Kyle Krnnard, EDGE
134. Que Robinson, EDGE
143. Jordan Phillips, DT
154. Marcus Mbow, IOL
156. Jeffrey Bassa, LB

 

[State]

4. Ashton Jeanty, hall of fame RB? Prolly
38. Mason Taylor, the TE future
69. Wyatt Milum, Will Campbell with even shorter arms
95. Charles Grant, former wrestler with ideal LT measurements. Just needs Doug Marrone
106. Jack Sawyer, doppelgänger for Vrabel
*No trade to move up for Joshua Farmer*
144. Bradyn Swinson, edge athlete
146. Marcus Mbou, conversion to center
182. Chase Lundt, RT of future
228. Maddux Trajillo, K with a big, big leg
238. Ricky White, special teams ace and undervalued WR

 

[captain stone]

This one's gonna be a bit different; let's see if anyone can follow along...

1/4 - Banks

2/38 - Henderson, once Higgins was gone. Also considered Burden & Mason Taylor...

3/69 - Noel. Not convinced that Williams is the automatically superior Outside prospect.

3/95 - Xavier the Riot Watts. That he's > Woodson is inarguable.

4/106 - Jalen Royals. This WR problem gets fixed This Weekend. No more ****ing around.

Now here comes the different...

5/140 - Swinson. Need for DE help > need for more 3-Tech help.

5/166 - CB Zah Downgoes Frazier. Not making the same mistake from 3 years ago.

5/171 - DT JJ Pegues. Only dude in the draft who can help our short-yardage formations on Both sides of the LOS.

6/192 - RT Cam Williams. He'll never be a Left Tackle in the NFL, but we have one of those now; so he'll be our Right Tackle of the Future after our new Moses shows him The Way.

7/217 - Damien the Next Omen Martinez. Backup/understudy/competition/replacement for The Fumbler. Also considered LT Jack Nelson...

7/220 - S/LB Hunter Wohler. Backup/understudy/competition/replacement for Uncle Dugg/Marty McPoo...

7/238 - C Seth McLaughlin for a medical red-shirt year.

7/257 - The ****ing kicker as Mister Irrelevant - how ****ing appropriate - mostly to appease the louder-screeching of the special olympian Arbella customers. Myself, I'd rather spend the pick on a surprising faller such as DE Jared Ivey, CB Zy Alexander, OT Logan Brown, or one of our QB's former UNC teammates such as C/FB Willie Lampkin, DE Kaimon Islands Rucker or Slot CB Alijah that shameless Huzzie...

 

[Huckleberry1]

Who would you have rather picked with NE's picks that they used?

I'll share my meaningless re-draft now:
1) Will Campbell, OT, LSU
2) Luther Burden, WR, Mizzou
3) Trevor Eteinne, RB, UGA
3) Gunnar Helm, TE, Texas
4) Jack Sawyer, DE, Ohio State
4) Mitchell Evans, TE, ND
5) Denzel Burke, CB, Ohio State
6) Andres Borregales, K, Miami
7) Xavier Restrepo, WR, Miami
7) Hollin Pierce, OT, Rutgers

UDFAs: Will Rogers, QB, Washington; Hank Bachmeier, QB, Wake Forest; Jordan Waters, RB, NC State; Julian Fleming, WR Penn State; Eli Pancol, WR Duke; Chris Tyree, WR Virginia; Jordan Moore, WR, Duke; Dante Cephas, WR, Kansas State; Desmond Watson, DT Florida; Johnny Walker Jr., DE, Missouri; Justin White, CB, Davenport; Kevin Knowles II, FS, FSU

What do we think? Yay or nay? better or worse than Elliot Wolf?

Nay. I would take their actual draft over every one of those picks, with the biggest difference the Henderson/ Burden choice. Burden is the opposite of everything they are looking for in a player.

 

[Huckleberry1]

The main thing is I either would have traded the 106 pick into next year or trades down.

Woodson isn't as bad as some reaches we've had. But that was probably a round early. I'd rather just have the 3rd next year or 2 later picks to get Mbow at guard and a future pick OR if no future pick Mbow at guard and Sawyer DE.

As for the the 7th round picks outside of kicker? Logan Brown - OT AND Cobee Bryant - DB

Get a LS in free agency.

That’s probably because Woodson wasn’t a reach at all, and was more of a steal than anything else.

 

[Huckleberry1]

One of those drafts where a redraft is almost unnecessary? They hit pretty much every area of need and just about every name was identified/recognized pre draft, including the udfa’s. A very rewarding draft for many of us. Woke up this morning still smiling, realizing it wasn’t just a dream.

Couldn’t agree more. I’m like Manx, I was bummed they didn’t get Horton or Hawes, but couldn’t come up with a way to get them and still get guys like Farmer and Swinson. Best draft I have seen in a long long time. Guys like Henderson, Farmer , Swinson, and Woodson were steals imo.

 

[mayoclinic]

This one's gonna be a bit different; let's see if anyone can follow along...

1/4 - Banks

2/38 - Henderson, once Higgins was gone. Also considered Burden & Mason Taylor...

3/69 - Noel. Not convinced that Williams is the automatically superior Outside prospect.

3/95 - Xavier the Riot Watts. That he's > Woodson is inarguable.

4/106 - Jalen Royals. This WR problem gets fixed This Weekend. No more ****ing around.

Now here comes the different...

5/140 - Swinson. Need for DE help > need for more 3-Tech help.

5/166 - CB Zah Downgoes Frazier. Not making the same mistake from 3 years ago.

5/171 - DT JJ Pegues. Only dude in the draft who can help our short-yardage formations on Both sides of the LOS.

6/192 - RT Cam Williams. He'll never be a Left Tackle in the NFL, but he'll be our Right Tackle of the Future after our new Moses shows him The Way.

7/217 - Damien the Next Omen Martinez. Backup/understudy/competition/replacement for The Fumbler. Also considered LT Jack Nelson...

7/220 - S/LB Hunter Wohler. Backup/understudy/competition/replacement for Uncle Dugg/Marty McPoo...

7/238 - C Seth McLaughlin for a medical red-shirt year.

7/257 - The ****ing kicker as Mister Irrelevant - how ****ing appropriate - mostly to appease the louder-screeching of the special olympian Arbella customers. Myself, I'd rather spend the pick on a surprising faller such as DE Jared Ivey, CB Zy Alexander, OT Logan Brown, or one of our QB's former UNC teammates such as C/FB Willie Lampkin, DE Kaimon Islands Rucker or Slot CB Alijah that Huzzie...

That you actually agree with 1 of the actual picks is remarkable, and shows just how good the draft was.

Seriously, your picks are good and well thought out, as I would expect from you.

This draft had so many good players, through to the 150-200 range. We couldn't get them all. I would have been thrilled with any of Mason Taylor, Elijah Arroyo, Shavon Revel, Xavier Watts, Deone Walker, Jordan Phillips, Jeffrey Bassa, Zah Frazier, Damien Martinez, Zy Alexander, Logan Brown, Cameron Williams. All great prospects and solid value picks.

Whether they would be better than what we got is a question that will take a few years to answer.

 

[State]

Not so immediate. But the news the Texans offered 58, 79, and a 2026 third-rounder for 38 inspired me to do this.

Because of the opportunity to draft Darius Alexander, there was no need to trade up for Joshua Farmer.

Otherwise, the trades are the same.

4 TE Tyler Warren. Serious Gronk vibes as both a devastating blocker and favorite Drake Maye receiver. With a little Jules’ passing thrown in.

#58 DT Darius Alexander. 3 tech budding superstar. Dominated at the Senior Bowl. If he had played at a bigger program than Toledo, he’s taken in the first round.

69 VERY polished pass rusher Princely Umanmielen. Just too good to pass up. A first-round talent.

#79 OT/OG Wyatt Milum, Logan Mankins Part II? The dude absolutely dominated in 2024 at LT at WVU like nobody’s business—even more than Will Campbell did at LSU. (Campbell had a great 2023 season but regressed in 2024. Put in the tape of his game against Arkansas’ Landon Jackson, now with the Bills. Not great.) Milum can fill in at LT at the pro level, notwithstanding his really short arms. But they don’t matter, do they? Tough, nasty, technically proficient. Longer arms and he is drafted MUCH earlier.

95 LT Charles Grant. Unlike Caedan Wallace last year, this is not a reach for an OT in the third round. Grant has the traits to be a quality starting LT. May take some time. Patience required.

106 same, safety Craig Woodson.

*144 nickel DB Mac McWilliams, a true athlete and tough guy to compete with Marcus Jones.

146 RB Jaydon Blue. Home run hitter as both a runner and a receiver with little wear and tear.

182 same, clutch kicker in the sun Andres Borregales. Can he do it in the snow?

220 QB Quinn Ewers. QBs, even backups, matter. But, alas, now the Phins have an effective replacement when or if Tua goes down.

*238 highly productive WR and ST ace Ricky White III. His poor 40 at the Combine (4.62) is not a reflection of his legit 4.4 speed. He was Kyle Williams’ teammate in 2022 at UNLV. Had equal or better production. Can stop on a dime.

251 (undrafted) OT Hollin Pierce. Can move him to RT to be Moses Morgan’s understudy. A better prospect than the guy the patriots drafted from Missouri, Marcus Bryant. Thought seriously about Logan Brown here, who shockingly wasn’t drafted. But Pierce isn’t a punk. That counts.

257 Mr Irrelevant. (undrafted) center Seth McLaughlin. Achilles tendon, anyone?

# trade back with the Texans from 38. Third-rounder also in 2026

*No trade up to 137 for Joshua Farmer

NB Peter Bowden, the best long snapper coming out of college last year (Wisconsin), wasn’t drafted and currently plays for the Michigan Panthers. Rarely do they need to be drafted.

 

[captain stone]

Not so immediate. But the news the Texans offered 58, 79, and a 2026 third-rounder for 38 inspired me to do this.

Because of the opportunity to draft Darius Alexander, there was no need to trade up for Joshua Farmer.

Otherwise, the trades are the same.

4 TE Tyler Warren. Serious Gronk vibes as both a devastating blocker and favorite Drake Maye receiver. With a little Jules’ passing thrown in.

#58 DT Darius Alexander. 3 tech budding superstar. Dominated at the Senior Bowl. If he had played at a bigger program than Toledo, he’s taken in the first round.

69 VERY polished pass rusher Princely Umanmielen. Just too good to pass up. A first-round talent.

#79 OT/OG Wyatt Milum, Logan Mankins Part II? The dude absolutely dominated in 2024 at LT at WVU like nobody’s business—even more than Will Campbell did at LSU. (Campbell had a great 2023 season but regressed in 2024. Put in the tape of his game against Arkansas’ Landon Jackson, now with the Bills. Not great.) Milum can fill in at LT at the pro level, notwithstanding his really short arms. But they don’t matter, do they? Tough, nasty, technically proficient. Longer arms and he is drafted MUCH earlier.

95 LT Charles Grant. Unlike Caedan Wallace last year, this is not a reach for an OT in the third round. Grant has the traits to be a quality starting LT. May take some time. Patience required.

106 same, safety Craig Woodson.

*144 nickel DB Mac McWilliams, a true athlete and tough guy to compete with Marcus Jones.

146 RB Jaydon Blue. Home run hitter as both a runner and a receiver with little wear and tear.

182 same, clutch kicker in the sun Andres Borregales. Can he do it in the snow?

220 QB Quinn Ewers. QBs, even backups, matter. But, alas, now the Phins have an effective replacement when or if Tua goes down.

*238 highly productive WR and ST ace Ricky White III. His poor 40 at the Combine (4.62) is not a reflection of his legit 4.4 speed. He was Kyle Williams’ teammate in 2022 at UNLV. Had equal or better production. Can stop on a dime.

251 (undrafted) OT Hollin Pierce. Can move him to RT to be Moses Morgan’s understudy. A better prospect than the guy the patriots drafted from Missouri, Marcus Bryant. Thought seriously about Logan Brown here, who shockingly wasn’t drafted. But Pierce isn’t a punk. That counts.

257 Mr Irrelevant. (undrafted) center Seth McLaughlin. Achilles tendon, anyone?

# trade back with the Texans from 38. Third-rounder also in 2026

*No trade up to 137 for Joshua Farmer

NB Peter Bowden, the best long snapper coming out of college last year (Wisconsin), wasn’t drafted and currently plays for the Michigan Panthers. Rarely do they need to be drafted.

Except for Grant, McLaughlin & maybe Warren, I’m not a big fan of any of the other picks, Especially at #s 79 & 182.

 

[manxman2601]

This is my ‘the one that got away’. I’m not sure how we’d have got him because I really liked our day 3 picks in Farmer, Woodson and Swinson but Horton was my one big regret in terms of value. Glad he’s looking good in camp.