PostGame Thread 2024 OFFICIAL POSTGAME: Pats lose to the Jags 32-16, fall to 1-6

[slash83]

Offer the most $ and they will.

That didn’t work either unfortunately.

 

[A.C Vegas]

Let’s try to sign them before we accept that BS.

and if they can't are you just going to claim that Kraft is cheap?

 

[JohnJH]

This HC and GM are getting 2 years. Talk of firing is just talk, not going to happen. They need a full 2 years to say they have their guys and their system in place. Kraft isn't changing after year 1.
We still play 1-win Titans and Rams, so #1 pick is not guaranteed, especially with Maye starting.
Unfortunately, no top QB's this year, not sure you are getting much for #1 if you get it.
IF you get #1, and the trades are crap you have to take Hunter, you need a lot and he's 2 players in 1! He also seems to be a generational athletic talent; you don't pass them up. You need elite stars, it's a relatively weak draft. Will see how the players rank end of year and maybe things change but take the guaranteed superstar when you can.

If you cannot stop the run when you know they are running, you are screwed. I have no idea how coaching fixes that. This is basic.
Bentley and Barmore can help fix that in 2025 but see no hope in 2024. It's embarrassing to be that bad against the run.

If we don't come out of next off season with a solid and long term answer at LT, RT, and Center, Hunter (although highly talented), is not going to help Drake Maye have a long and successful career (because Maye will get killed and be done).

 

[A.C Vegas]

Offer the most $ and they will.

You do know this is not Madden and people might want something other then money right

 

[JohnJH]

The QB had plenty of time to throw today with the backup to the backup at tackle.

I do agree we need a LT but at this point, we need a top WR even more.

We need a LT, RT, and Center more than a #1 WR.

 

[ZoisKing]

Wtf has happened to the running game, a rookie QB is your leading rusher in his damn two first starts? Imagine what kind of play action damage Maye could do if he had one!

Need a line to run behind.

Our rush offense is as good as the offensive line.

I hope we get a couple big additions in the draft.

 

[Pape]

If you get, you get it.

ftfy

 

[JohnJH]

Didn’t like the pick at all.

Braelon Allen would have been of more use, both this season and seasons to come and we could of had him in the 4th Round.

 

[ZoisKing]

You do know this is not Madden and people might want something other then money right

The Pats need to make quality move after quality move and show growth or the FAs we want wont want to be here.

 

[ZoisKing]

We need a LT, RT, and Center more than a #1 WR.

I agree, but a legit 1st option is a definite need.

 

[A.C Vegas]

The Pats need to make quality move after quality move and show growth or the FAs we want wont want to be here.

Exactly. they have a good QB in place the WR have a lot of potential. The D does need some work but has alos been hurt by injury and stupidity

 

[Toofy]

I want mayo to grow a pair and use this season to weed out malcontent and also Instill some pride in the team .

At this point his approach of saying everything to media is really not working and he can't be oblivious to game plans or either offense or defense performance. Needs to be more involved on in time coaching. If he is a project manager, needs to be fired . Will not command the respect of the team .

 

[upstater1]

We need a LT, RT, and Center more than a #1 WR.

RT and Center have basically taken care of themselves.

If we can't find an RT from Onwenu, Wallace, Lowe or Jacobs, we're already wrecked.

Jake Andrews and Ben Brown (who has some sand in the trunk) should suffice.

 

[stcjones]

The thing that mostly concerned me about the coaching is that we went to small ball, runs, screens, WR screens, TE screens, when we were hurting the Jags downfield.

How did we hurt them? Who cares... they are the weakest DBs in the entire NFL. And we decided to not pick on them for half the game.

Maye was more than capable of taking advantage of them.

What was AVP thinking? He refused to attack the weakest DBs in the league. When we attacked them, we only had success.

Well said…..AVP is not the guy….neither is Mayo nor the DC. Majority of the failures with this team starts with these 3 inept coaches. Brady and Bill had several seasons with WORSE WR and TE than they have now…..and we rarely have had a great OL here….but they made it work…these coaches don’t have what it takes

 

[stcjones]

That has been my vote as HC since last year, but he seems love being the Vikings DC

He wouldn’t be my first choice…

 

[PatsFan2]

Ben Johnson or Bobby Slowik in 2025 RK would be a fool to pass on either.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

I'm sorry but there is less than a zero percent chance of that happening. Kraft isn't going to sell over a couple of losing seasons, especially after the franchise was it's most relevant the last 20 years while Kraft was owner. Kraft already has his successor.

I didn’t say over a couple of losing seasons.

Kraft also isn't the one who owns all those Kraft brand products. Totally different. Not that anyone would stop buying those over a football team if he did.

If people thought the way you suggested, we'd see owners selling every single year. The last three sales were basically forced due to scandals and inheritance issues.

It's just not happening. This is taking being upset at the team and fantasizing some extreme unrealistic scenerio. No owner has ever sold because the team had some bad years. And some owners have had decades of being dirt awful and still kept the team. Fan satisfaction is not a requirement to own an NFL team.

I'm sorry but there is less than a zero percent chance of that happening. Kraft isn't going to sell over a couple of losing seasons, especially after the franchise was it's most relevant the last 20 years while Kraft was owner. Kraft already has his successor.

I’m losing interest because you keep misrepresenting my position and then arguing against a position I haven’t taken. I have been talking about selling as a possibility as the losing seasons keep piling on during this transformation from NFL elite to laughingstock. He has made stupid decisions since BB left and I have to assume he will continue. I have not said he’ll sell after “a few losing seasons”, that’s your invention.

Kraft also isn't the one who owns all those Kraft brand products. Totally different. Not that anyone would stop buying those over a football team if he did.

Yes, ViperGTS pointed that out.

If people thought the way you suggested, we'd see owners selling every single year. The last three sales were basically forced due to scandals and inheritance issues.

People don’t think that way? And you know this because there are few owner sales? That’s quite the leap. Sales are tough pull off. You’re right that some owners won’t sell, even when their entire fan base loathes them. But I don’t think Kraft is one of them. He cares about his legacy, and if he and Jonathan can’t right the ship in the next 5 years I bet he sells.

It's just not happening. This is taking being upset at the team and fantasizing some extreme unrealistic scenerio. No owner has ever sold because the team had some bad years. And some owners have had decades of being dirt awful and still kept the team. Fan satisfaction is not a requirement to own an NFL team.

Again, the straw man: “had some bad years.” Dealt with that above.

I don’t think Kraft is interested in running a sustained, losing operation that he can’t figure out how to fix, especially when there’s the family businesses to fall back on.

It’s not unreasonable to wonder if there’s a Kraft family exit in the nearish future, especially since their idiotic decisions post-BB led to this. But it’s one thing to say that you don’t think it would happen, but it’s another thing to be so dismissive and accuse people of engaging in fantasy. Honestly, I think you are the one who’s having the overreaction.

There have only been about 40 ownership changes in the NFL since its inception. I think trying to infer patterns from those sales given the small quantity is absurd. Each one has to be considered a unique event. The Kraft situation is unique.

 

[stcjones]

Grasp AVP's playbook by Week 7? Easily.

Tell me about the incredibly deep play book you have witnessed? Remember that Brissett was signed because he knew the playbook coming in. Does the play calling look more limited since Maye started? Run between the tackles on 1st down, run again on 2nd down, and a shot gun pass on 3rd down. There is no play action, no presnap motion, nearly no RB or TE screens, rarely a WR screen, really nothing new. The playbook is so predictable every defense tries to jump the Pats snap count.

Well in fairness Brissett played lights out with all the knowledge of that voluminous playbook that the offensive mastermind AVP created….great downfield throws, limited the predictable runs up the middle especially on first down…..yeah Brissett sure was tearing it up!!! But no…..we have to start the rookie and all hell broke loose!

 

[Santi]

So your argument is Maye shouldn’t be playing because he will make mistakes and learn from them?
Maye has already made a half dozen throws Mac Jones either didn’t process enough to make, was afraid to, or didn’t have the arm to.

If you think Mac Jones as a rookie ever looked as good as Maye already has, I’m sorry but you dint know what you are looking at.

No my argument in April was that we should take fields as starting QB and take MHJ in the draft.

I have no problem with Maye starting given the situation we’re in. What I wanted for us to not be in the situation of needing to start him. They are completely different things, if you search my posts I was calling for Maye to start the last couple weeks as well.

Now, do I think he was that impressive today? No but people get really upset about that by the looks of it, everyone is desperate for him to be a huge hit and jumping the gun.

As for your comments about Mac, I’m talking about the general opinion of him in his first year so you can take your judgement to the entire patsnation who rated him. However, I will go for it and say no I don’t think Maye has actually done anything better than season 1 Mac yet. I expect he’ll turn out better but go have a field day with that comment.

If it helps I also think Caleb Williams is being massively overrated so far. People are so desperate to hype up QB’s as the next Brady/mahomes it’s honestly hilarious.

 

[PatsFan2]

The thing that mostly concerned me about the coaching is that we went to small ball, runs, screens, WR screens, TE screens, when we were hurting the Jags downfield.

How did we hurt them? Who cares... they are the weakest DBs in the entire NFL. And we decided to not pick on them for half the game.

Maye was more than capable of taking advantage of them.

What was AVP thinking? He refused to attack the weakest DBs in the league. When we attacked them, we only had success.

AVP with his highschool predictable Offense will be the First to Go!!