2022 PTP Draft Board / Pats Draft Talk

[jays52]

So you can't move either of them around the defensive rotation...got it.

I mean you certainly can. However that doesn’t address the core of the argument. Davis would be selected to clog the interior, occupy lineman, and push the line of scrimmage backwards. He would be asked to collapse the front of the pocket, cause pileups in zone runs, and free the linebackers to scrape and pursue. Wyatt would be attacking upfield and playing more of a one gap style. Which certainly has value but is not the team need. You could ask Wyatt to play a zero technique just like you could ask Davis to play a 3 or a 4i and penetrate. But that’s not asking the players to play in a manner that is towards their strengths and core competencies.

 

[PWRxWLF]

Reports I've read grade Jones out as ultimate an 'average starter'. I'd hope to do better with out first pick.

Naaahhh. No way will he be an average starter. All-Pro stud defender? Probably not, but I bet he’s gonna be one of the top NT’s by year 3. That’s the problem though. If you’re a team in the market for a true NT you have Davis, and you’ve got Jones, then a drop off. That might force you to draft the player earlier. I’ve seen him shooting up late first in a few mocks. I’d rather see him taken in the 2nd tbh. Guess it comes down to whether or not you see a player with untapped potential at a school that surrounded him with below avg. players or a guy that couldn’t cut it in the big leagues so he went to small schools where he did just enough to look aight. FWIW, he looked very comfortable against bigger program guys at the senior bowl. He was even voted by the Offensive Line group as the hardest DT to block. I think he could turn into a 3 down player in the pros. He may not give you the type of rush a guy like Barmore will, but he can definitely eat up blockers to make other guys jobs easier and he can definitely bull rush some.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Naaahhh. No way will he be an average starter. All-Pro stud defender? Probably not, but I bet he’s gonna be one of the top NT’s by year 3. That’s the problem though. If you’re a team in the market for a true NT you have Davis, and you’ve got Jones, then a drop off. That might force you to draft the player earlier. I’ve seen him shooting up late first in a few mocks. I’d rather see him taken in the 2nd tbh. Guess it comes down to whether or not you see a player with untapped potential at a school that surrounded him with below avg. players or a guy that couldn’t cut it in the big leagues so he went to small schools where he did just enough to look aight. FWIW, he looked very comfortable against bigger program guys at the senior bowl. He was even voted by the Offensive Line group as the hardest DT to block. I think he could turn into a 3 down player in the pros. He may not give you the type of rush a guy like Barmore will, but he can definitely eat up blockers to make other guys jobs easier and he can definitely bull rush some.

Great post. The question is only will he "turn into a 3 down player in the pros"? If yes, then we need him at 21. I think he will still be there, Barmore fell to the top of the 2nd round for similar reason.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

 

[DaBruinz]

They're both DTs in the same system...

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Saying that Wyatt and Davis were both DTs in the same system is like saying that the Camaro and the Corvette are both sports cars made by Chevy.
It says a whole lot of nothing. There are such vast differences between the two players. Davis is the prototypical NT that teams look to add to a 3-4 or 4-3 Over package. In the 4-3 Over packages, you have a NT that lines up at the 0-tech and an "Under-Tackle" who lines up in the 3-Tech.

Wyatt, on the other hand, is your prototypical 3/5 Tech DT/DE. Wyatt would be a duplication of what the Pats have in Barmore. Davis would be the NT to Barmore's UT and you'd have them both on the field on early downs that were obvious passing situations.

 

[DaBruinz]

So you can't move either of them around the defensive rotation...got it.

You COULD attempt to put Davis over a Guard in a 3/5 Tech with Wyatt over the Center, but you are playing them out of position. That's like asking Edelman to play TE and wondering why he got flattened by the DE lined up opposite him.

Barmore would be in Rotation with other 3/5 Tech guys. So would Wyatt. Neither would be lined up at 9-Tech, though. And you certainly wouldn't put Davis out at the 9-Tech.

What you're failing to comprehend is that you don't stay in a Heavy Run-Defense formation if they offense has put 5 wide on the field. You go lighter in the D-line and put more DB to compensate.

Not sure why you have think that just because someone is listed as a DT means they can line up at NT and be successful. If that was the case, then the Pats would never have had to draft Wilfork. Seymour would have been the NT and we'd never have looked back.

Hell, just go back and look at Seymour and Warren. BOTH were listed as DEs. They were very different players. Seymour was more a pass rusher while Warren was more of a run stopper.

 

[DaBruinz]

Reports I've read grade Jones out as ultimate an 'average starter'. I'd hope to do better with out first pick.

You have to take those reports with a grain of salt. The only thing that is more wrong than Mock Drafts is player "grades". You'll notice that no one ever goes back to put their "grades" against how players actually turned out.

I seem to remember that Brady's "grade" was that of a benchwarmer. Yes, that is the extreme, but it's proof of just how wrong those projections are usually.

 

[dliverey44]

I know it won't happen but I kinda want to see a draft of Jordan Davis in the 1st and Travis Jones in the 2nd. Rotating between a 3-4 and a 4-3 look with them on the field at the same time with Barrmore. Like I said, I know it won't happen and I was being a bit facetious but I kinda want to see it.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Peter Schrager 2022 NFL mock draft 1.0: Seahawks trade for QB; run on WRs in mid-teens

In his first mock of the 2022 NFL Draft, Peter Schrager sees the Seattle Seahawks trading back into Round 1 for a quarterback, as well as a run on receivers from picks 15 through 17.

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Peter Schrager has his mock out and is basing it on what he's hearing from his sources. FWIW he has NE taking Zion Johnson at 21.

Zion Johnson
Boston College · IOL · Senior
Johnson's stock began to soar at the combine, and I'm hearing he's interviewing incredibly well with teams. He can play center or guard and has a high football IQ. I think the Patriots can go a variety of ways (bold take!), but beefing up their offensive line and getting Mac Jones another protector up front makes sense.

 

[hornetfb85]

Peter Schrager 2022 NFL mock draft 1.0: Seahawks trade for QB; run on WRs in mid-teens

In his first mock of the 2022 NFL Draft, Peter Schrager sees the Seattle Seahawks trading back into Round 1 for a quarterback, as well as a run on receivers from picks 15 through 17.

www.nfl.com

Peter Schrager has his mock out and is basing it on what he's hearing from his sources. FWIW he has NE taking Zion Johnson at 21.

Zion Johnson
Boston College · IOL · Senior
Johnson's stock began to soar at the combine, and I'm hearing he's interviewing incredibly well with teams. He can play center or guard and has a high football IQ. I think the Patriots can go a variety of ways (bold take!), but beefing up their offensive line and getting Mac Jones another protector up front makes sense.

I am fine with Zion if we trade back to the late first/early 2nd range. Only OL I’m taking at 21 is Penning, and if he’s there I’m sprinting to make that pick. Truly believe he is gonna be a stud for years.

 

[Patsgofor4]

I am fine with Zion if we trade back to the late first/early 2nd range. Only OL I’m taking at 21 is Penning, and if he’s there I’m sprinting to make that pick. Truly believe he is gonna be a stud for years.

Doubtful that he makes it there. Many will go nuts if they pick Zion at 21 but the guy is an absolute stud. ZERO pressures in 2021 and only one sack allowed in 3 yrs at BC, playing both guard and tackle. One of the surest bets in round 1.

 

[zimmy]

Zion won't be there after the Cowboys at 24. I also slightly question the value of taking a guard in the first but Zion just screams perfect Patriot. I would be okay with it if we were able to get a corner/wide receiver in the 2nd/3rd. You can definitely imagine Zion has a much higher grade on their board than comparable players at 21 - it just then comes down to positional value.

My mind is also returning to last year when it was said we were really high on Vera-Tucker if Jones wasn't there at 15. He ended up going 14 to the Jets - so they will definitely be okay taking a guard at 21 if they were willing to do it last year at 15 in a loaded draft.

 

[chief1]

BCG, I noticed you do not have Metchie on your draft board. Why do you think he does not fit the Pats system?

 

[Jim Beankie]

Reports I've read grade Jones out as ultimate an 'average starter'. I'd hope to do better with out first pick.

Are we talking "Average Al" Horford type of average?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Doubtful that he makes it there. Many will go nuts if they pick Zion at 21 but the guy is an absolute stud. ZERO pressures in 2021 and only one sack allowed in 3 yrs at BC, playing both guard and tackle. One of the surest bets in round 1.

Some analysts have Kenyon Green ranked higher, but it looks like @BaconGrundleCandy has Zion as his number 1 IOL.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

BCG, I noticed you do not have Metchie on your draft board. Why do you think he does not fit the Pats system?

So I try to look at whole picture so to speak. Sure Metchie is a fit but we also have Bourne, & Meyers who are pretty similar - interchangeable. So I don't want to say he's redundant but you get the idea. I have a 3rd on Metchie I might put him on. That's another thing I'm trying to keep the board as close to a 100 prospects as possible. He's another 50/50 one I go back & forth on. There's about 10 of those guys I'm on the fence about for w/e reason. I know he's popular here.

 

[ashley]

Some Dax Hill love:

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Some Dax Hill love:

Thanks. I am on record - Dax Hill is the Pats first pick after trading down. Makes a lot of sense, need an outside CB which Hill can fill temporary as he learns the defense (like DMac did), and then move to FS to replace DMac. And with the extra pick(s) I hope we pick Chad Muma (4.6 40, only 240 lbs. but pressed 27 reps - ridiculous) and Travis Jones.

 

[captain stone]

Travis Jones was there, too. You like those three over him?

No disrespect to Jones; and he was indeed tempting here - in the same Moving the Change mock I've referenced, he was also taken in the first round after they chose CB Kyler Gordon for the Pats - but Booth, Karlaftis & to a lesser extent Raimann still provided a better match of talent & need than even an athletic 0/1-tech like Jones could (and which we absolutely Do need), especially at #21... Now if he's still there at 54...

For me, in this particular scenario, my choice - as of today, for now - would ultimately come down to Booth vs Karlafits...

 

[Grogan14]

Peter Schrager 2022 NFL mock draft 1.0: Seahawks trade for QB; run on WRs in mid-teens

In his first mock of the 2022 NFL Draft, Peter Schrager sees the Seattle Seahawks trading back into Round 1 for a quarterback, as well as a run on receivers from picks 15 through 17.

www.nfl.com

Peter Schrager has his mock out and is basing it on what he's hearing from his sources. FWIW he has NE taking Zion Johnson at 21.

Zion Johnson
Boston College · IOL · Senior
Johnson's stock began to soar at the combine, and I'm hearing he's interviewing incredibly well with teams. He can play center or guard and has a high football IQ. I think the Patriots can go a variety of ways (bold take!), but beefing up their offensive line and getting Mac Jones another protector up front makes sense.

Zion Johnson would be a great pick