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If Travon Walker makes it past first dozen picks I doubt he gets past Philly, unless they love Karlaftis and/or Ojabo more.
 
There shouldn't even BE a conversation on drafting a receiver in ANY of the first 3 rounds. The NCAA puts out 15-20 good WR prospects every single year while there are 5-8 IDL good prospects, When it's a numbers game you should always go with the "unicorn", and NOT the buffalo herd.

I think a discussion on a CB or IDLman is legitimate. But if we get to a situation where Davis or Wyatt is there at 21 and there are a couple of really good CB prospect too, I'd have to go with the IDLman. I want to trade down (I think there is a LOT of value potentially in the 2nd round of this draft) but I'd be hard pressed not to pull the trigger on Davis or Wyatt if they dropped to 21

In my ideal draft Davis is gone before 21 (not getting past the Chargers) we move down somewhere in the 30's and pick up another 2 and 3. And with the 2 seconds we wind up with Travis Jones and one of the top 6-8 CB's. Then add a speed LB and a WR or OLman in the 3rd and we are off to a great start in this draft.
After his combine performance Davis is probably a top 5 pick. Also Treylon Burke is not getting past10
 
If Travon Walker makes it past first dozen picks I doubt he gets past Philly, unless they love Karlaftis and/or Ojabo more.
This is my thinking or what I hope happens. I think they'll fall in love with McDuffie and Stingley and they need help in the secondary too. So yea, im hoping they like a few guys just a little more.
 
After his combine performance Davis is probably a top 5 pick. Also Treylon Burke is not getting past10
I think it's possible he goes closer to RD2 than top ten. Then again this is a weird class. Are you a chance on Williams early? Is someone going to make Olave a top 20 pick? Burks won't go top ten though.

I think a lot teams thought this after Burks ran and tested.
 

I still can't get over the Jordan Davis 40. It's not human. If this 20yd split is accurate (currently unofficial), that means he was averaging 20.66mph for that segment. That's about the fastest I've gone not in track spikes... and I'm under half his weight.
 
This has my comp for Stingley as well






he ain't going to Seattle


 
Burks ran a 4.55, only had a 33 vert and reportedly did not look great during the on-field drills. He is not a sure thing, at all, for the top 10.
Yeah, I read something where he was considered one of the big losers on the day.
 
I still can't get over the Jordan Davis 40. It's not human. If this 20yd split is accurate (currently unofficial), that means he was averaging 20.66mph for that segment. That's about the fastest I've gone not in track spikes... and I'm under half his weight.
He's the clear winner this week by far. Happy for him. He worked his butt off. NFL Draft Board is notorious conservative and gave him a 3rd RD grade last year and I would have agreed. He just hit lightening in a bottle this year. Good for him.

His vert at 32 for 341 is nuts. 10 yard split is crazy too. What a dude.

I've brought this up a few times but he's as good if not a better person. Teams will love him.
 
He's the clear winner this week by far. Happy for him. He worked his butt off. NFL Draft Board is notorious conservative and gave him a 3rd RD grade last year and I would have agreed. He just hit lightening in a bottle this year. Good for him.

His vert at 32 for 341 is nuts. 10 yard split is crazy too. What a dude.

I've brought this up a few times but he's as good if not a better person. Teams will love him.
I've been hoping for him to be on the Pats after watching the first Georgia game then listening to his interview right after. Totally love the kid. Physical beast, seems so decent and smart....

I want the Pats to trade down and collect picks - strategically seems smart from what I've read from you and others. But if they traded UP for Davis, I'd be doing a happy dance.
 
Cornerback / Saf

Boundary - CB1

Andrew Booth - is one of my favorites in the class. Super aggressive in run support. Attacks. Divebombs like a missile blowing up screens & plays behind the los. Physical taking on blocks. Isn't happy to win a stand still battle. Athlete with a lots of attitude. Long arms. Great feet. 6'/200 with pretty decent hips, decent cod. One of the better prospects at playing the ball. Doesn't freak out, stays claim & usually always times it up right. Isn't twitchy or a true burner but more than enough speed. Efficient quick clean feet, smooth coming out his breaks. A bit inconsistent at the top. Some great reps in press that woe you lots of "wow" plays all around.




Trent McDuffie - is another one I love. Some of the plays he makes are unbelievable. High IQ, high effort prospect that makes plays all over field in different areas. 24/7 effort. One of the better guys at playing both man & zone. C1, C3, obviously experience in Cloud. Very adapt, can adjust in difficult situations. Tough run defender that comes correct when blitzing the QB. All the UW DB's are tough & expected to contribute in run support. Esp outside runs, flat area. Plus tackling ability some of the best in the class. I remember always being impressed with Myles Bryant in that area. They had some ridiculous prospects over the last few years. Duffy is a bit of a water bug out there very light on his feet & nimble. Short area quickness & lateral ability stand out in man along with his tracking ability. I think McDuffie is plug n play. Maybe never elite but really F'n good! I also think he could be money in the slot on 3rd downs.





Kaiir Elam - has some potential to be a steal imo esp if he drops out the 1st RD. Prototype size 6'2/195 with what looks to be 32" arms? Length shows up in press. In zone taking up space. Deflecting passes. Elam is a former 3 sport athlete with NFL bloodlines (father & uncle) & all that shows up. Top tier instincts, ball skills & IQ. Plus in press coverage. Hands are a bit inconsistent but when on & touches you it's usually a W for him. Some of the smoothest hips & cod in the class. Half turn is effortless in zone. He's got several pro ready skills with tons of traits.



Other names to know ...
Cam Taylor-Britt - if we're heading to more zone he might be in our future. More productive when his eyes are on the play. Smooth half turn & transitions. Tough, physical prospect with plus ball skills & route recognition. Great knack for timing up a rec & always plays through the ball. He's probably struggle against quicker twitcher WR's in the league but he's a good athlete with good foot speed. Instincts & route recognition in zone standout. Closes in on underneath routes like a boss. Comes with full force in run support or snuffing out a WR. He's got leadership qualities & brings energy to the field. Tough in press but feet fall flat on occasion. Good hand placement & strength. Low pedal. Stays square. Football player through & through. Played QB in HS. Versatility in the secondary to contribute in several areas.

Roger McCreary - has PTP written on him. So much of this position comes down to testing - if you can't run & stay with WR's, you can't play. McCreary looks sufficient in that area & should test well. Love his competitive & mental toughness. He's consistently gone up against the best in the country & performed very well. Very patient prospect that trust his technique & instincts. Doesn't panic or lose his **** if he's beat. Loves mixing it up with the best of 'em. Really good at using the sidelines to his advantage, same for red zone. Very aware of the situation, where he is. Down & distance. Very good in man & zone.


Coby Bryant - bro played in the league for a few years. Another possibility if we're moving to more zone. Very comfortable in C3 playing a 1/3. Position & angles are always sound throughout the route. Plays a little deep at times. Spacing is good for the most part though especially on underneath, routes in the flat. Tracking & ball skills are legit, he's a playmaker with the ball in the air. Tackling technique could improve, want to is there. Has the right attitude & work ethic you want. 45 INT/PD, 4 FF. Team captain.


More names ...
Derion Kendrick, Martin Emerson, Alontae Taylor & Tariq Woolen

Slot
Daxton Hill - versatility, smarts, leadership qualities - just the way he carries himself reminds me of DMC. Slot, outside, single high, hybrid backer, man-zone. He's effective almost everywhere. Great athlete with NFL speed / closing speed, COD & quickness in a small area. He's like a QB on defense - talks & sets up his guys pre-snap. Plus route recognition with sharp eyes reading the QB. Impact in run support. Can blitz off the edge.

Kyler Gordon - I'll include him here bc of his versatility & ability to play in the slot. Quite the athlete & will test well in most areas, it shows up on tape. 6'/200 tough, wants to get involved in run support & isn't afraid to get dirty. His demeanor, short area agility, tackling ability & IQ seem like a prefect fit in the slot. Aggressive with good size & strength. Enough of a size advantage there but also the athletic ability to hang with quicker players. Has enough length just has to learn how to use it in press. He's a year or two away imo. Has to gain more experience in man & work on his patience.

Other names to know ...
Marcus Jones - one of the more quicker DB's in the class. Very good return abilities. He's a playmaker with the ball in his hands. Quick efficient clean footwork. Has played everywhere in the secondary but he's a slot-only prospect next level bc of his lack of size/height. Over aggressive at times but can handle man coverage, option routes in the MOF but his lack height will come into play at times. He's an athlete that can move, turn, run with most.

Jalen Pitre - versatile prospect that has played as a hybrid backer / star position. Very good athlete that can handle multiple duties / positions bc of athletic makeup. Although he is better the closer he is to the los. Can sink & explode out of his breaks. Really good COD. Plus ball skills that knows what he's doing when the ball is in the air. Really puts in the work getting to the QB when blitzing. Very good in run support - takes proper angles & flys to the ball. Fearless but needs better tackling technique. Looks like he could handle covering TE.

More names ...
Kerby Joesph


Saf
Jaquan Brisker - best Saf in the class after Hamilton. Dynamic skill set that allows him to make an impact everywhere from the back end to behind the los. Day 1 box defender that can erase the shallow zone one minute & fire through an OL to pressure the QB next. Physical knows how to use his hands, which gaps to attack. Has some range & can make an impact deep but you'll have to live with some limitations (disguising him back there will be limited) VG tracking ability. He's very good at reading the QB's eyes but always not afraid to peel off to make a play.

Greg Eisworth - very smart player that's like an extra coach out there. Fearless in run support that sniffs out screens, stretch plays, misdirection & motion. SS/Box/Overhang player that can make a QB pay if he's sloppy. Could & should probably bulk up a little. Always chirping & talking to his teammates. Definitely an option for 3 Saf looks. Really good route recognition in the short/intermediate parts of field. Team captain.

Lewis Cine - smart player that shuts down the MOF, flat area, underneath zone. Click n close ability with little hesitation. Plus instincts, sharp eyes & anticipation. Everything registers quick from mental to physical. Good tracking ability & can mirror steps with some WR's. Big leader on UG defense.

More names ...
Bryan Cook


Kerby Joesph coming in proper


 
Working with da God Chuck Smith
 
I liked Kyler Gordon on film but his times are disappointing if they hold up.
 
I liked Kyler Gordon on film but his times are disappointing if they hold up.
A little bit considering the expectations. He was on the freak list earlier in the year.

I'll say this. I care about pure speed at DB the most. A decent deal more than WR/RB or anything else. You have to be able to run there. There's no hiding you.

WR's have tempo, double moves, others blocking or interrupting routes and a lot more on their side. Same with RB. They have the OL and others to help create space.

Just think that's the one spot where it matters most. Agility > 40 for OL, RB, Rush
 
I don't think LB times are very important since diagnosing plays, motor, hitting hard, mean so much more than 40 times. That being said, while it is still very impressive for a 235 pound LB like Devin Lloyd to run a 4.65 40, it's not as impressive as Troy Anderson 4.45 at 240 or Leo Chenal's 4.55 at 250. There is going to be some LB talent available in the 2nd round if we don't grab Lloyd in the first.

Tariq Woolen was flying for his 40 time at CB. He's super tall at 6'5". Love to see him spend a year with Devin McCourty at free safety.

At CB, Kaiir Elam impressed, Sauce Gardner and McDuffie too. McCerary and Gordon may fall into the 3rd round.
 
Either way if NEP want a true nose we have two of them with good-great tape. Both not only met thresholds but surpassed them by miles. Both have some they can move in short areas. Push a pile and decrease a pocket. 325+ with length. Handle doubles and clog up the A gap / los.


C)trade back to 26-32 ish ... Trying to look for possible partners here. We have Josh in LV, Arizona, Dallas, Buffalo, Tenn, TB, GB, Mia, KC, Bengals & Det.

Immediately Detroit jumps out. They have 32, 34 & 66. They're in need of talent and relevance. 34 & 66 for 21 would be extremely hard to turn down. 34, 54, 66 & 85 give us four top 100 picks and 126. That gets me excited thinking about what I could do with that.

We could also swap with TB at 27 and pick up a 3rd maybe a 6th or 7th.

Cinci at 31 and their 2nd at 63.

Assuming DB's test well ... J Johnson, Davis, McDuffie, Booth, Walker, Elam, Hill, Brisker, Zion, Wyatt, Gordon are all possible choices between 21-32 imo. Maybe one or two more but this is the core group imo.

Plan C is The Way.

It's the Only Way.

For this team, at this time, we need Quantity over Quality... Far too many holes to fill, and too few draft picks with which to fill them, and with no help whatsoever coming from the veteran free agent marketplace...
 
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Numbers, shmumbers. Would anyone now pick Dontari Poe over Ngata? Not me.

But if you were one of the 31 teams who didn't draft Ngata 6 years earlier then you would've had to have strongly considered Poe too...
 
@manxman2601 gives us your thoughts old timer. You're like the mayor around here. About time to check in and give the people what they want.

@Off The Grid it's been long enough buddy. How about you really get back in the game. The people miss reading 4,000 words they don't understand describing draft prospects.

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what are you hoping for, for the first 2 picks?? Names or position.

@mayoclinic are you still with us? You we're pretty good at this, better than most. Probably more likely Putin post his top 50 but it would be much appreciated.

@Ian who are some other old timers I can bother that are still alive? Any check in recently that you've noticed?
 
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