2014 Pats Salary Cap Breakdown

[ATippett56]

Where is the $4,160,574 carryover from being under the cap in 2013? I can't find it on the page. I'm I going blind?

Use this link instead:

https://www.nflplayers.com/reports/RunPublicReport.aspx?report=top51

 

[JackBauer]

Wendell should be re-signed at the right price, but that shouldn't inhibit the team from looking for a C/RG in the draft.

 

[Miguel]

Where is the $4,160,574 carryover from being under the cap in 2013? I can't find it on the page. I'm I going blind?

I have made it easier to find.

NFL CAP of $126,300,000 + Total adjustments of $1,045,649 + 2013 carryover of $4,024,801= 2014 adjusted cap number of 131,370,450

 

[Miguel]

Wendell should be re-signed at the right price

What is the right price?

 

[JackBauer]

What is the right price?

What's the starting price for a backup center?

I would consider retaining Wendell as a starting center, but only if they significantly upgrade at RG.

 

[Miguel]

What's the starting price for a backup center?

Using 2014 NFL Depth Charts By Position | Ourlads.com and
» Over the Cap- Top NFL Contracts: Center
» Over the Cap- Top NFL Contracts: Center

If a backup in 2013, Wendell would have been the center with the 3rd highest cap number for a backup. Most, if not all, backup centers that are signed for the 2014 season are in their rookie deals. I could only find one backup center signed for the 2014 that has a cap figure over a million dollars

 

[javajunky]

I have made it easier to find.

NFL CAP of $126,300,000 + Total adjustments of $1,045,649 + 2013 carryover of $4,024,801= 2014 adjusted cap number of 131,370,450

Thank you. It' an awesome site Miguel

 

[mgteich]

Sure, we should get rid of Wendell, who Dante is fine with, in order to start a rookie.

There are always alternatives, such as the 2014 NFL Draft.

 

[JoeSixPat]

TALIB
Of course, we want to bring Talib back. The question is whether we will be willing to pay what another team is willing to pays.

Does Talib have an agreement with the Patriots that they won't franchise him?

While I agree that's not the optimum way to go, is there any reason they couldn't/wouldn't do that as they tagged and paid Welker at what would be about the same amount?

That could be an "incentive" for Talib to sign a more reasonable 2-3 year contract and still be viable for free agency again at age 30.

And while Talib has been well behaved with the Patriots, the question of whether the Patriots (given the Hernandez issue) or any other team is going to want to sign him to a big, long term contract, at least without some major "character" clauses in the contract.

Between the tag threat and a desire to show continued good production and behavior, maybe he'll be more reasonable, or just agree to play at the cap level if the Patriots so desired.

 

[Miguel]

Does Talib have an agreement with the Patriots that they won't franchise him?

No, they do not. I have seen projections that the 2014 franchise tag for a CB will be $11.256 million.

 

[mgteich]

Did you have a "reasonable" $8M a year in mind?

Otherwise, why wouldn't Talib simply sign a franchise tag for $11M. As you say, he's then be on the market again in 2015.

I think that Talib would be fine with signing a contract for $11M.

While I agree that's not the optimum way to go, is there any reason they couldn't/wouldn't do that as they tagged and paid Welker at what would be about the same amount?

That could be an "incentive" for Talib to sign a more reasonable 2-3 year contract and still be viable for free agency again at age 30.

 

[supafly]

Does Talib have an agreement with the Patriots that they won't franchise him?

No, they do not. I have seen projections that the 2014 franchise tag for a CB will be $11.256 million.

There's an "agreement" between Bill Belichick and....himself that he can't franchise Talib based on the fact that he isn't going to shell out an 11.3 million dollar cap hit

A smaller or mid sized pact in terms of number of years with a cap hit 40-50% of that number, sure; but a one year guaranteed deal at an 11.3 million dollar cap hit? Good lord, absolutely not! Talib historically misses about 20% or more of every season throughout his first 6 yrs as it is, not to mention the fact that it's horrible value.

Talib is good, and I hope we keep him, but I would think that something in the range of Leigh Bodden's old pact (4/22 with 10 guaranteed) would be very appropriate due to where the market is at for cornerbacks. Anything more than about 6, with an absolute ceiling at 6.5m per season AAV will force us to bow out of the race in my opinion, and for good reason.

 

[Miguel]

Note these projected franchise figures: cornerbacks $11.256 million,defensive ends $12.475 million, defensive tackles $9.182 million, linebacker $10.895 million, offensive line $11.126 million, kickers $3.383 million, quarterbacks $16.086 million, running backs $9.074 million, safeties $8.021 million, tight end $6.709 million and wide receivers $11.539 million.

 

[JoeSixPat]

No, they do not. I have seen projections that the 2014 franchise tag for a CB will be $11.256 million.

Since taking on a $11 million cap hit is as doable as paying Welker what they paid him on a 1 year deal, perhaps it's possible Belichick may only need the threat to get Talib to go along with a more realistic 3 year deal, no?

Corners of his caliber are tough to find - but a short term deal may even be preferable for an organization recently burned by long term contracts on guys with character issues.

Again, I'd prefer to keep Talib, at a cap hit much lower than $11 million, but I'm also not holding my breath expecting Belichick to go crazy, spend all of that elsewhere and bring in tons of veteran receivers as he did in 2007 (though it's worthwhile to point out that even then, he didn't really expend a ton of money, and gave up a 4th and 2nd rounder for Moss and Welker - neither of whom came with any guarantees anyways)

So overall, while I'm sure Belichick would love to spend it elsewhere, what he really wants/craves is to get the considerable number of excellent guys already signed back and in good health for 2014 - I don't see a huge need to spend huge amounts in long term contracts - thus expending $11 million to extend Talib for another year doesn't strike me as the worst idea

 

[supafly]

Did you have a "reasonable" $8M a year in mind?

Otherwise, why wouldn't Talib simply sign a franchise tag for $11M. As you say, he's then be on the market again in 2015.

I think that Talib would be fine with signing a contract for $11M.

Personally, if the market continues to stay as is, I believe that Talib will be forced to sign for around 6m AAV one way or another.

While he's certainly good, there is a chronic injury history to be concerned about, and it doesn't seem to be going away based on the fact that he's now suffered the past 3 yrs in a row.

We see all of these crazy numbers thrown around every year, but in many cases they end up being much lower. I have a feeling that Talib is looking at 4/25 in a fair and reasonable situation, at least as it pertains to the N.England Patriots anyway.

 

[supafly]

Since taking on a $11 million cap hit is as doable as paying Welker what they paid him on a 1 year deal, perhaps it's possible Belichick may only need the threat to get Talib to go along with a more realistic 3 year deal, no?

I wouldn't think that a one year guarantee of 11.3 million would be much of a "threat," especially in the case of Talib; would you, Joe Six Pat?

We're talking about a guy who resigned last year to a one year deal at 4.95m (before his 500k incentive or bonus), so why wouldn't he do the same thing at more than double the money?

 

[Miguel]

Since taking on a $11 million cap hit is as doable as paying Welker what they paid him on a 1 year deal, perhaps it's possible Belichick may only need the threat to get Talib to go along with a more realistic 3 year deal, no?

The deadline to place a franchise tag is before free agency starts.

 

[mgteich]

One open question is whether Talib would give an preferential treatment to the patriots. I suspect not.

I suspect that someone acceptable to Talib will offer more than what the patriots consider fair and reasonable.

Personally, if the market continues to stay as is, I believe that Talib will be forced to sign for around 6m AAV one way or another.

While he's certainly good, there is a chronic injury history to be concerned about, and it doesn't seem to be going away based on the fact that he's now suffered the past 3 yrs in a row.

We see all of these crazy numbers thrown around every year, but in many cases they end up being much lower. I have a feeling that Talib is looking at 4/25 in a fair and reasonable situation, at least as it pertains to the N.England Patriots anyway.

 

[supafly]

One open question is whether Talib would give an preferential treatment to the patriots. I suspect not.

I suspect that someone acceptable to Talib will offer more than what the patriots consider fair and reasonable.

That is a concern that I shared right along with you last year, and on a lesser scale this year too. BUT...I think that Belichick has done a fairly good job of making Talib feel "wanted" here. The idea of Belichick personally calling Talib to have a private conversation about his probowl selection and to give him the good news has to point to something somewhat positive in my opinion.

It would seem that Talib may have changed his attitude a bit in the past year or so. Now whether or not that translates into him accepting something that Belichick would consider fair/reasonable remains to be seen. My point is simply that I think that some progress has been made in terms of Talib appreciating his position here in more of a team setting, along with Belichick also making him feel as though he's a mentor to the younger guys, a leader, openly praising him in the media a couple of times, and overall attempting to reel him into buying into the idea that the team generally wants him to stay.

As we know, that doesn't always equate to a player staying when the compensation is too far off---but I have to admit that I was pleased to hear of Belichick personally calling him to discuss his probowl nod a few weeks ago. I get the feeling that Talib may be a bit on the selfish "me first" side, but it's possible that Belichick and the team setting may have narrowed that gap down a bit. Only time will tell of course, and I certainly don't mean to insinuate that this will be the end all/be all in determining whether he stays, because obviously it will only have a smaller part.

I'm still seeing Belichick have no problem with something in the range of Bodden in 2009, with maybe a small increase. That could easily be 4/25 or so, and I think that will be enough for him to stay. Anything higher may point to his departure, as I agree with you that I don't think we're going to go too high. I do think that Belichick likes what he can do with the defense a lot more with a guy like Talib in there though. Either way, I expect us to be fine, even if that means targeting another free agent and/or drafting at CB again.

 

[JoeSixPat]

I wouldn't think that a one year guarantee of 11.3 million would be much of a "threat," especially in the case of Talib; would you, Joe Six Pat?

We're talking about a guy who resigned last year to a one year deal at 4.95m (before his 500k incentive or bonus), so why wouldn't he do the same thing at more than double the money?

True - but he still had a LOT to show going into this season, and he agreed to that so he would have a chance to show what he could do to cash in for free agency - and I'd say he's done a good showing teams he's among the top CBs potentially available in FA.

What is the estimate of what Talib would be looking for in terms of guaranteed money on his next contract? Certainly well north of $11 million I'd think.

The whole point of the tag is that it's a double edged sword. Teams have to pay a premium for one of the top players at his position when teams are unwilling to make a long commitment in terms of dollars and years to a player. I'd say Talib falls into that category.

Talib can maximize his guaranteed dollars beyond the one year franchise amount by agreeing to a more reasonable long term contract if the Patriots are prepared to use the tag on him.