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I can see the 49ers still end up 7-9 and win the division.I think the cowboys will still win a couple of more games.The vikings will play hard as well.
 
If you take a 50% likelyhood of half those teams NOT surpassing Raiders record (or tying wins and winning higher pick by virtue of weaker SOS), then you get 4 teams picking ahead.

Simple is generally good, but that may just simplify things a little too much. For the group you describe, looking at their remaining schedules it is pretty easy to see each of them getting to 6 wins. Even as suckish as Arizona has played, they have 5 winnable games on their schedule. And many of these teams play each other, so someone is going to get a win.

Within the group tied at 6 wins, the Raiders strength of schedule should have them picking at or near the front of the group. I think these factors make a more likely target in the 8-9 range. While it is only a couple of picks earlier, that could be the difference in getting one of the elite DEs, rush OLBs or CBs in this class.
 
The primary week 13 games of draft interest to Pats fans:
5-6 Oakland at 6-5 San Diego; Chargers favored by 12.5 to 13
1-10 Carolina at 5-6 Seattle; Seahawks favored by 5.5 to 6
4-7 Minnesota vs 2-9 Buffalo; Vikings favored by 5.5 to 6


And some other teams with records of interest to the draft:
2-9 Lions vs 8-3 Bears; Bears -5
2-9 Bengals vs 8-3 Saints; Saints -6.5
3-8 Broncos at 7-4 Chiefs; Chiefs -8.5
3-8 Cowboys at 6-5 Colts; Colts -5.5
3-8 Cardinals vs 5-6 Rams; Rams -3.5
4-7 49ers at 7-4 Packers; Packers -9.5
4-7 Browns at 6-5 Dolphins; Dolphins -4.5
5-6 Texans lost to the Eagles; are now 5-7
5-6 Redskins at 7-4 Giants; Giants -7
5-6 Titans vs 6-5 Jaguars; Titans -3


So in other words every NFL game with the exception of Atlanta at Tampa Bay and Pittsburgh at Baltimore will affect next week's draft pick tracking.
 
The primary week 13 games of draft interest to Pats fans:
5-6 Oakland at 6-5 San Diego; Chargers favored by 12.5 to 13
1-10 Carolina at 5-6 Seattle; Seahawks favored by 5.5 to 6
4-7 Minnesota vs 2-9 Buffalo; Vikings favored by 5.5 to 6


And some other teams with records of interest to the draft:
2-9 Lions vs 8-3 Bears; Bears -5
2-9 Bengals vs 8-3 Saints; Saints -6.5
3-8 Broncos at 7-4 Chiefs; Chiefs -8.5
3-8 Cowboys at 6-5 Colts; Colts -5.5
3-8 Cardinals vs 5-6 Rams; Rams -3.5
4-7 49ers at 7-4 Packers; Packers -9.5
4-7 Browns at 6-5 Dolphins; Dolphins -4.5
5-6 Texans lost to the Eagles; are now 5-7
5-6 Redskins at 7-4 Giants; Giants -7
5-6 Titans vs 6-5 Jaguars; Titans -3


So in other words every NFL game with the exception of Atlanta at Tampa Bay and Pittsburgh at Baltimore will affect next week's draft pick tracking.

Draft standings as of 12/4/2010:

2011 FIRST-ROUND DRAFT SELECTION ORDER



* Indicates a playoff team; draft order based as much as possible on playoff positioning.
Note: Opponents won-lost record is that of all 16 of a team's opponents this year.
F Indicates pick(s) to be decided by coin flip.


Team
W-L
Opp W-L %

1 Carolina 1-10 .580
2 Detroit 2-9 .557
3 Cincinnati 2-9 .585
4 Buffalo 2-9 .591
5 Arizona 3-8 .460
6/7F Denver 3-8 .523
6/7F Dallas 3-8 .523
8 San Francisco 4-7 .489
9 Minnesota 4-7 .528
10 Cleveland 4-7 .568
11/12F Seattle 5-6 .483
11/12F New England (from Oakland) 5-6 .483
13 Washington 5-6 .506
14 Tennessee 5-6 .517
15 Houston 5-6 .534
16 San Diego 6-5 .455
17 Indianapolis 6-5 .489
18 Miami 6-5 .528
19 Tampa Bay 7-4 .466
20 Green Bay 7-4 .506
*21 St. Louis 5-6 .438
*22 Jacksonville 6-5 .460
*23 Kansas City 7-4 .415
*24 New York Giants 7-4 .449
*25 Philadelphia 7-4 .483
*26/27F Chicago 8-3 .455
*26/27F New Orleans 8-3 .455
*28 Baltimore 8-3 .494
*29 Pittsburgh 8-3 .506
*30 New England 9-2 .506
*31 New York Jets 9-2 .483
*32 Atlanta 9-2 .483
 
Week 13 results:
Teams listed first in the top group, we wanted them to lose.
Teams listed first in the 2nd group, we wanted them to win.
Teams with a ?, it's a tough call who we wanted to win.
Teams with a ?, we got the outcome we were looking for.
Teams with an X, we did not get the result we wanted.


The primary week 13 games of draft interest to Pats fans:
X -- 5-6 Oakland at 6-5 San Diego --- Raiders won, 28-13
? -- 1-10 Carolina at 5-6 Seattle --- Panthers lost, 31-14
X -- 4-7 Minnesota vs 2-9 Buffalo --- Vikings won, 38-14


And some other teams with records of interest to the draft:
X -- 2-9 Lions vs 8-3 Bears --- Lions lost 24-20
X -- 2-9 Bengals vs 8-3 Saints --- Bengals lost 34-30
? -- 3-8 Broncos at 7-4 Chiefs --- Broncos lost 10-6
? -- 3-8 Cowboys at 6-5 Colts --- Cowboys won 38-35
? -- 3-8 Cardinals vs 5-6 Rams --- Cardinals lost 19-6
X -- 4-7 49ers at 7-4 Packers --- 49ers lost 34-16
? -- 4-7 Browns at 6-5 Dolphins --- Browns won 13-10
X -- 5-6 Texans at 7-4 Eagles --- Texans lost 34-24
X -- 5-6 Redskins at 7-4 Giants --- Redskins lost 31-7
? -- 5-6 Titans vs 6-5 Jaguars --- Titans lost 17-6


Some of those were a tough call as far as who we wanted to win, even though the team with the lower record lost because the team they were playing are close in record to the Raiders and Vikings. San Diego losing is another that could have a ? next to it as it helps keep the Chargers out of the playoffs, but I left it as an X since this is about draft tracking.



Here's the latest draft order after the win over the Jets:
1st Round from Oakland (6-6): #14 - #19 (#11 - #15 last week)
1st Round New England (10-2): #31 - #32 (#30 - #32 last week)
2nd Round from Carolina (1-11): #33 (#33 last week)
2nd Round New England (10-2): #63 - #64
3rd Round from Minnesota (5-7): #73 - #77 (#72 - #74 last week)
3rd Round New England (10-2): #95 - #96
4th Round New England (10-2): #127 - #128 or later depending on compensatory picks



Top Week 14 Games of Draft Pick Interest:
Pats at Bears
Raiders at Jaguars
Falcons at Panthers
Giants at Vikings



Current Draft Order with teams ranked in order of tiebreakers:
#1 ------- 1-11 --- Carolina Panthers
#2-#4 ---- 2-10 --- Lions, Bengals, Bills
#5-#6 ---- 3-9 ---- Cardinals, Broncos
#7-#8 ---- 4-8 ---- 49ers, Cowboys
#9-#13 --- 5-7 ---- Titans, Redskins, Texans, Vikings, Browns
#14-#19 -- 6-6 ---- Chargers, Raiders, Seahawks, Colts, Dolphins, Rams*
#20-#21 -- 7-5 ---- Bucs, Jaguars*
#22-#26 -- 8-4 ---- Packers, Chiefs, Giants, Ravens, Eagles
#27-#30 -- 9-3 ---- Saints, Bears, Jets, Steelers
#31-#32 -- 10-2 --- Falcons, Patriots

* - As of right now the Rams would win the NFCW, which would move them from #19 to #21, and the Jaguars would win the AFCS which would move them from #20 to #22. That in turn would move the Bucs from #20 to #19 and Green Bay from #22 to #20.
 
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The primary week 14 games of draft interest to Pats fans:
6-6 Oakland at 7-5 Jacksonville (-4 to 4½)
1-11 Carolina vs 10-2 Atlanta (-7 to 7½)
5-7 Minnesota vs 8-4 New York (-3)


And some other teams with records of interest to the draft:
2-10 Lions vs 8-4 Packers (-6½ to 7)
2-10 Bengals at 9-3 Steelers (-8½ to 9)
2-10 Bills vs 5-7 Browns (+ 1)
3-9 Cardinals vs 3-9 Broncos (-4 to 5)
4-8 49ers vs 6-6 Seahawks (+4½ to 5½)
4-8 Cowboys vs 8-4 Eagles (-3½)
5-7 Titans vs 6-6 Colts; Titans lose, fall to 5-8
5-7 Redskins vs 7-5 Bucs (-1½ to 3)
5-7 Texans vs 8-4 Ravens (-3)
6-6 Chargers vs 8-4 Chiefs (+6½ to 7)
6-6 Dolphins at 9-3 Jets (-5 to 6)
6-6 Rams at 9-3 Saints (-8½ to 9)
 
So it looks like CAR, CIN, DET, BUF, DEN, ARZ and TEN are lost causes. WAS is a possibility but their schedule isn't favorable. DAL, CLE, SF and HOU are the most likely teams to jump ahead of Oakland and help the Pats pick. With that in mind...

6-6 Oakland at 7-5 Jacksonville (-4 to 4½)
1-11 Carolina vs 10-2 Atlanta (-7 to 7½)
5-7 Minnesota vs 8-4 New York (-3)
2-10 Lions vs 8-4 Packers (-6½ to 7)
2-10 Bengals at 9-3 Steelers (-8½ to 9)
2-10 Bills vs 5-7 Browns (+ 1)
3-9 Cardinals vs 3-9 Broncos (-4 to 5)
4-8 49ers vs 6-6 Seahawks (+4½ to 5½)
4-8 Cowboys vs 8-4 Eagles (-3½)
5-7 Redskins vs 7-5 Bucs (-1½ to 3)
5-7 Texans vs 8-4 Ravens (-3)
6-6 Chargers vs 8-4 Chiefs (+6½ to 7)
6-6 Dolphins at 9-3 Jets (-5 to 6)
6-6 Rams at 9-3 Saints (-8½ to 9)

If everything breaks right, the Pats pick goes from #15 to #10 with DAL and SF only one game off the pace and DEN still in play. I'd be happy with even half that progress.
 
So it looks like CAR, CIN, DET, BUF, DEN, ARZ and TEN are lost causes. WAS is a possibility but their schedule isn't favorable. DAL, CLE, SF and HOU are the most likely teams to jump ahead of Oakland and help the Pats pick. With that in mind...


If everything breaks right, the Pats pick goes from #15 to #10 with DAL and SF only one game off the pace and DEN still in play. I'd be happy with even half that progress.
It's kind of strange, because at this point we've gone from wanting the Vikings to lose each week, to now wanting them to win and end up with a better record than the Raiders.

At this point I have faith in Buffalo finishing ahead of Carolina; at worst it's a one spot swap. I'd rather the Browns win and get ahead of Oakland.

Broncos - Cardinals is a tough call but because they have the same record; I'll give Denver a better chance of finishing ahead of Oakland, so go Denver.

SF - Seattle is another one that's tough to figure out who to root for, and who will finish the season well. I guess I'll roll the dice that Seattle will finish the season with a better record even with a loss, and a SF win will help them catch either the Vikings, and or the Raiders.
 
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Week 14 results:
Teams listed first in the top group, we wanted them to lose.
Teams listed first in the 2nd group, we wanted them to win.
Teams with a ?, it's a tough call who we wanted to win.
Teams with a ?, we got the outcome we were looking for.
Teams with an X, we did not get the result we wanted.


The primary week 14 games of draft interest to Pats fans:
? -- 6-6 Oakland at 7-5 Jacksonville: Raiders lose, 38-31
? -- 1-11 Carolina vs 10-2 Atlanta: Panthers lose, 31-10
? -- 5-7 Minnesota vs 8-4 New York: Vikings lose, 21-3


And some other teams with records of interest to the draft:
? -- 2-10 Lions vs 8-4 Packers: Lions win, 7-3
X -- 2-10 Bengals at 9-3 Steelers: Bengals lose, 23-7
? -- 2-10 Bills vs 5-7 Browns: Bills win, 13-6
? -- 3-9 Cardinals vs 3-9 Broncos: Cardinals win, 43-13
? -- 4-8 49ers vs 6-6 Seahawks: 49ers win, 40-21
X -- 4-8 Cowboys vs 8-4 Eagles: Cowboys lose, 30-27
X -- 5-7 Titans vs 6-6 Colts: Titans lose, 30-28
X -- 5-7 Redskins vs 7-5 Bucs: Redskins lose, 17-16
X -- 5-7 Texans vs 8-4 Ravens: Texans lose, 34-28
? -- 6-6 Chargers vs 8-4 Chiefs: Chargers win, 31-0
? -- 6-6 Dolphins at 9-3 Jets: Dolphins win, 10-6
X -- 6-6 Rams at 9-3 Saints: Rams lose, 31-13

Overall it was a very good week: all three teams with draft picks the Pats own lost, and plenty of other games went the Pats way as well - and that's without even taking into consideration the Pats 36-7 win at Chicago.

Some of the games it was tough to figure out if they went the Pats way or not. The Bills win distances them from Carolina, but a Browns win would have tied them with Minnesota an put them within one game of Oakland. The 49ers win ties them with the Vikings at 5-8 and are now within one of the Raiders, but Seattle's loss leaves them tied with the Raiders at 6-7.



Here's the latest draft order after the win over the Bears:
1st Round from Oakland (6-7): #14 - #15 (#14 - #19 last week)
1st Round New England (11-2): #31 - #32 (#31 - #32 last week)
2nd Round from Carolina (1-12): #33 (#33 last week)
2nd Round New England (11-2): #63 - #64
3rd Round from Minnesota (5-8): #72 - #77 (#73 - #77 last week)
3rd Round New England (11-2): #95 - #96
4th Round New England (11-2): #127 - #128 or later depending on compensatory picks

If you want to start looking at tiebreakers then the Raiders pick is #14 and the Vikings pick would be #76.



Current Draft Order with teams ranked in order of tiebreakers:
#1 ------- 1-12 --- Carolina Panthers
#2 ------- 2-11 --- Cincinnati Bengals
#3-#5 --- 3-10 --- Broncos, Lions, Bills
#6-#7 ---- 4-9 --- Cardinals, Cowboys
#8-#13 --- 5-8 --- 49ers, Titans, Redskins, Texans, Vikings, Browns
#14-#15 -- 6-7 --- Rams*, Raiders, Seahawks
#17-#19 -- 7-6 --- Chargers, Colts, Dolphins
#20-#23 -- 8-5 --- Chiefs*, Jaguars*, Bucs, Packers
#24-#28 -- 9-6 --- Giants, Bears, Jets, Eagles, Ravens
#29-#30 -- 10-3 -- Saints, Steelers
#31-#32 -- 11-2 -- Falcons, Patriots

Teams with an asterisk are currently leading their division.
Playoff teams pick later than non-playoff teams regardless of record.
- Rams would move from #14 to #21
- Chiefs would move from #20 to #22
- Jaguars would move from # 21 to #23
- Raiders, Seahawks, Chargers, Colts and Dolphins would move up one
- Bucs and Packers would move up three spots



Primary Week 15 games of interest:
3-10 Broncos at 6-7 Raiders
4-9 Cardinals at 1-12 Panthers
9-4 Bears at(?) 5-8 Vikings

Secondary games of interest:
8-5 Chiefs at 6-7 Rams
6-7 Seahawks vs 11-2 Falcons
5-8 49ers at 7-6 Chargers (Thursday)
8-5 Jaguars at 7-6 Colts
3-10 Bills at 7-6 Dolphins
5-8 Browns at 2-11 Bengals
5-8 Texans at 5-8 Titans
5-8 Redskins at 4-9 Cowboys

Minimal effect on draft order:
8-5 Packers at 11-2 Patriots
3-10 Lions at 8-5 Bucs
9-4 Eagles at 9-4 Giants
10-3 Saints at 9-4 Ravens
 
Tim Tebow didn't make my world a better place.
Thanks for losing to the Raiders, Tebow.

Seattle and St Louis managed to lose, while Oakland won. Triple whammy.

...or just that much closer to the pick they will trade down to in the end anyway...
 
Right now, assuming the Pats get # 17 from the Raiders, 33 from the Panthers and #76 from the Vikings, and send #108 to Seattle for Branch, the Patriots will have about 2600 draft pick trade value points in the draft. That places them as the equivilant of the team picking either 3rd or 4th in every round, assuming no picks were traded away.

The other way of looking at it is the Patriots have roughly two drafts --- their assigned draft of a potential Super Bowl appearing team, and then a second draft of a just missed the last wildcard team.

These views are fairly robust to the downside, even if the Raiders win out, KC and SD **** the bed. The upside is limited but real if the Raiders lose out.
 
Right now, assuming the Pats get # 17 from the Raiders, 33 from the Panthers and #76 from the Vikings, and send #108 to Seattle for Branch, the Patriots will have about 2600 draft pick trade value points in the draft. That places them as the equivilant of the team picking either 3rd or 4th in every round, assuming no picks were traded away.

The other way of looking at it is the Patriots have roughly two drafts --- their assigned draft of a potential Super Bowl appearing team, and then a second draft of a just missed the last wildcard team.

These views are fairly robust to the downside, even if the Raiders win out, KC and SD **** the bed. The upside is limited but real if the Raiders lose out.
Great point; that's a very interesting perspective, I hadn't even considered thinking about it that way.



Week 15 results:
Teams listed first in the top group, we wanted them to lose.
Teams listed first in the 2nd group, we wanted them to win.
Teams with a ?, it's a tough call who we wanted to win.
Teams with a ?, we got the outcome we were looking for.
Teams with an X, we did not get the result we wanted.

The primary week 15 games of draft interest to Pats fans:
X -- 6-7 Raiders vs 3-10 Broncos: Raiders 39, Broncos 20
X -- 1-12 Panthers vs 4-9 Cardinals: Panthers 19, Cardinals 20
? -- 5-8 Vikings vs 9-4 Bears: Bears 40, Vikings 14

Secondary week 15 games of draft interest to Pats fans:
? -- 8-5 Chiefs at 6-7 Rams: Chiefs 27, Rams 13
X -- 6-7 Seahawks vs 11-2 Falcons: Falcons 34, Seahawks 18
? -- 5-8 49ers at 7-6 Chargers: Chargers 34, 49ers 7
? -- 7-6 Colts vs 8-5 Jaguars: Colts 34, Jaguars 24
? -- 3-10 Bills at 7-6 Dolphins: Bills 17, Dolphins 14
? -- 5-8 Browns at 2-11 Bengals: Bengals 19, Browns 17
? -- 5-8 Texans at 5-8 Titans: Titans 31, Texans 17
? -- 5-8 Redskins at 4-9 Cowboys: Cowboys 33, Redskins 30


Here's the latest draft order after the win over the Packers:
1st Round from Oakland (7-7): #15 - #16 (#14 - #15 last week)
1st Round New England (12-2): #31 - #32 (#31 - #32 last week)
2nd Round from Carolina (2-12): #33 (#33 last week)
2nd Round New England (12-2): #63 - #64
3rd Round from Minnesota (5-9): #71 - #76 (#72 - #77 last week)
3rd Round New England (12-2): #95 - #96
4th Round New England (12-2): #127 - #128 or later depending on compensatory picks

If you want to start looking at tiebreakers then the Raiders pick is #15 (#14 last week) and the Vikings pick would be #74 or #75 (#76 last week) according to Great Blue North.

Current Draft Order with teams ranked in order of tiebreakers (per GBN):
#1 ------- 2-12 --- Carolina Panthers
#2-#3 --- 3-11 --- Broncos, Bengals
#4-#6 --- 4-10 --- Cardinals, Lions, Bills
#7-#12 --- 5-9 --- 49ers, Cowboys, Redskins, Texans, Vikings, Browns
#13-#14 -- 6-8 --- Seahawks, Titans
#15-#16 -- 7-7 --- Raiders, Dolphins
#17-#20 -- 8-6 --- Chargers, Jaguars, Bucs, Packers (out of playoffs)
#21 ------- 6-8 --- Rams (NFCW division winner)
#22 ------- 8-6 --- Colts (in playoffs)
#23-#24 -- 9-5 --- Chiefs, Giants
#25-#30 -- 10-4 -- Saints, Bears, Eagles, Jets, Ravens, Steelers
#31-#32 -- 12-2 -- Falcons, Patriots


Primary Week 16 games of draft interest:
7-7 Raiders vs 8-6 Colts
2-12 Panthers at 10-4 Steelers
5-9 Vikings at 10-4 Eagles

Secondary Week 16 games of draft interest to Oakland pick:
7-7 Dolphins vs 4-10 Lions
6-8 Seahawks at 8-6 Bucs
6-8 Titans at 9-5 Chiefs
6-8 Rams vs 5-9 49ers

Secondary Week 16 games of draft interest to Carolina pick:
3-11 Broncos vs 5-9 Texans
3-11 Bengals vs 8-6 Chargers

Secondary Week 16 games of draft interest to Minnesota pick:
5-9 49ers at 6-8 Rams
5-9 Cowboys at 4-10 Cardinals
5-9 Redskins at 8-6 Jaguars
5-9 Texans at 3-11 Broncos
5-9 Browns vs 10-4 Ravens
4-10 Lions at 7-7 Dolphins
 
JMT...thanls for all the work you put into the summaries...it's greatl appreciated!
 
Right now, assuming the Pats get # 17 from the Raiders, 33 from the Panthers and #76 from the Vikings, and send #108 to Seattle for Branch, the Patriots will have about 2600 draft pick trade value points in the draft. That places them as the equivilant of the team picking either 3rd or 4th in every round, assuming no picks were traded away.

The other way of looking at it is the Patriots have roughly two drafts --- their assigned draft of a potential Super Bowl appearing team, and then a second draft of a just missed the last wildcard team.

These views are fairly robust to the downside, even if the Raiders win out, KC and SD **** the bed. The upside is limited but real if the Raiders lose out.


Just an FYI , the 4th round pick owed to Seattle will be the highest of the 4th round picks that the Pats have.. That will probably be Denver's and probably be closer to #100 than #110.. Other than that, you're dead on..
 
Oakland still looks like #15.

It would be nice to see Tennessee, Seattle, and Washington win.

Next week:

Oakland at tough KC. Potential second-round playoff seeding on the line for KC.

Tennessee at Indy. That doesn't look good. Unless they stick with tradition and rest the team, playoff implications be damned.

St Louise at Seattle. I suppose one of them has to win and collect the brass ring. Hope it's Seattle.

Giants at Washington. Blame the punter.
 
Oakland still looks like #15.

It would be nice to see Tennessee, Seattle, and Washington win.

Next week:

Oakland at tough KC. Potential second-round playoff seeding on the line for KC.

Tennessee at Indy. That doesn't look good. Unless they stick with tradition and rest the team, playoff implications be damned.

St Louise at Seattle. I suppose one of them has to win and collect the brass ring. Hope it's Seattle.

Giants at Washington. Blame the punter.

Oakland pick is still 15th. I was hoping some of those gutless teams having poor seasons wouldn't quit. Like Dallas and Houston. But, oh well. San Diego really screwed this pick up. Not only did they lose to the Raiders twice. They lost today. Making next weeks KC
against Oakland meaningless for the Chiefs. Only way the can get a bye is if Pittsburgh and Baltimore both lose. Even then. Not sure they would win the tiebreaker. With Cassel 2 weeks removed from an appendectomy, I don't see him playing much. Oakland will beat KC now. The highest we could pick will be 18th. An Oakland win and a loss by SD and Jax moves the Oakland pick behind them. Not bad. But, a 5-11 Oakland team would have been picking 6th. Maybe even lower if one of the 4 win teams win next week. Denver, Buffalo or Cincy. I hope the Chargers are forced to keep Norv as their coach forever.
 
i'll take 15 would have preffered 10... oh well looking forward to seeing what we do with it
 
So what's our tally now?

17, 28, 33, 56, 76, 84

or something like that?
 
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