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My positive spin on Wheatly is that he seems to have been a very good kick returner in college. And I did say that a guy who can make an impact on special teams is worth a 3rd rounder. So it's not that huge of a reach at the tail end of day 1.

One of the fastest players in college football, Wheatley's sudden burst and running stride has also brought him success as a kickoff returner. His 937 yards on kickoff returns rank fifth on the school's all-time record list and his 506 yards on those returns in 2007 marked the eighth time in Colorado annals that a player amassed more than 500 yards on kickoff returns in a season, and he still has six games in his final campaign to improve those totals.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/terrence-wheatley?id=328
 
This should make you feel better. Frankly, for a team who cares nothing about size in its cornerbacks, Wheatley is the prototype.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/terrence-wheatley?id=328
That does sound positive, but I read on another thread here that he was the 19th ranked corner on some draft sites. THAT reminds me of Bethel Johnson. But definitely, that analysis is positive, especially since many of his weaknesses seem to have already been addressed or be addressable (strength, but frame can carry more weight), etc.
 
Attention all "Patriots don't draft for need, they draft for 'value'" screamers:

Everybody and his mother penciled in the Pats for a CB an ILB based on need. They took a CB and an ILB.

Just coincidence, I guess.

Attention all you people who think that the Pats don't draft for value. NEED is part of the value equation. Listen to the damn coach for a change.

So, its not a coincidence. Its part of the whole equation for the evaluations of the players.
 
Hobbs' size had NOTHING to do with that last touchdown. So I guess you think we should have drafted a 15 foot corner with 10 foot long arms who could have reached Burress from five yards away and on his knees

Some size ala DRC would be great.
 
I'd say this is more of a reach than Branch according to most of the ratings I've seen. This one is more like Bethel (who?) Johnson, another second round head-scratcher.

According to the rankings I remember, Branch was a 5th round projection, Johnson a 4th. Anyways they were both mid-round projections, but Deion Branch was the much smaller player.

Anyways it doesn't matter what the scouting services say, it all depends on if the Pats think another team will take their player.

Logan Mankins was considered a 3rd round guard, but we took him at 32 because the 49ers had him all but picked at 33. Instead they had to mollify themselves with David Bass, another guard who is an inferior player.

Another example was Hobbs. Most ratings had him in the 5th too due to shortness, but we took him in 3rd before Denver could, and they ended up picking CB Domonique Foxworth (who isn't a bad player, really).
 
Hobbs' size had NOTHING to do with that last touchdown. So I guess you think we should have drafted a 15 foot corner with 10 foot long arms who could have reached Burress from five yards away and on his knees

LOL. No one with any understanding of the game blames Hobbs for that play. Unfortunately, many here don't understand the game.
 
errence Wheatley (CB)

  • Height:
    5'9"
  • Weight:
    178
  • College:
    Colorado
  • Conference:
    Big 12
  • Hometown:
    Richardson, TX
  • High School:
    Plano East
  • View Draft Page >>




In 2007, Wheatley garnered preseason All-American second-team (Scout.com, The NFL Draft Report) honors. He was on the Jim Thorpe Award (nation's top defensive back) Watch List and also received All-Big Twelve first-team preseason accolades. He shifted to the demanding left cornerback position, making 17 tackles (14 solo) with eight pass deflections and two interceptions. He caused a fumble and gained 506 yards on 19 kickoff returns (26.6-yard average).

Through 37 games at Colorado, Wheatley started 25 contests. He participated in 1,933 defensive plays, recording 142 tackles (111 solo) with 1 1/2 sacks for minus-5 yards, 6 1/2 stops for losses for 13 yards and five quarterback pressures. He recovered two fumbles and caused three others. He also deflected 27 passes (tied for ninth in Colorado history). He ranks tied for sixth in school history with 11 interceptions for 124 yards in returns (11.3 avg) and his two touchdowns rank second on the Colorado all-time record list. He ranks fifth in school history with 937 yards on 38 kickoff returns (24.66 avg). He also added 18 hits on the special-teams coverage units.

Career Notes Wheatley's 937 yards on kickoff returns rank fifth in school history behind Ben Kelly (1,798 yards, 1997-99), M.J. Nelson (1,198 yards, 1986-89), Walter Stanley (1,172 yards, 1980-81) and Bill Symons (1,051 yards, 1962-64)...His 506 yards on kickoff returns in 2007 marked the eighth time in school history that a player gained over 500 yards in that category in a season...His 11 interceptions tied Steve Rosga (1992-96) and Ben Kelly (1997-99) for sixth on Colorado's all-time list, topped only by John Stearns (16, 1970-72), Chris Hudson (15, 1991-94), **** Anderson (14, 1965-67), Tim James (13, 1987-90) and Deon Figures (12, 1988-92)...Wheatley returned two of interceptions for touchdowns during his career, one shy of the school record of three scores by Victor Scott (1980-83)... His five interceptions in 2006 rank behind **** Anderson (seven in 1967), Cullen Bryant (seven in 1972), Tim James (six in 1990) and Deon Figures (six in 1992) on the school's season-record list...Ranks ninth in Colorado annals with 27 pass deflections.


Analysis

Analysis Positives: Has a lean, but defined frame that can carry at least another 10 pounds of bulk with no loss in quickness...Shows good thickness in his thighs and calves and a toned upper-body torso with surprising power for a player his size...Builds to top speed in a hurry and shows explosive acceleration throughout his running stride...Has the closing burst to instantly make plays in front of him...His second gear is evident by the way he simply races past opponents on kickoff returns...Has very loose hips to redirect and is fluid changing direction...Never takes false steps in transition and shows very good balance on the move...Fearless in run support, closing on the play and pursuing the ballcarriers with good form to push the running game back inside from the perimeter...Has a keen understanding of the playbook, but will still spend time dissecting plays to discover ways to improve his technique...With his wrist surgeries behind him, he is showing much better power behind his tackling form (see 2007 Colorado State and Oklahoma games), doing a good job of wrapping and driving with his strong legs to rock the opponent back... Has made good strides in run support, knowing how to keep his pads low and attack the outside leg to impede the running back's forward progress...Hard worker in the training room who also puts in extra hours studying game films...Type of athlete that performs best against top-level competition, as he loves the challenge...Dependable field leader who will spend extra time mentoring the younger players (has a bit of Troy Vincent in him, as he tries to understand the assignments of every position)...Could possibly make a good coaching candidate one day due to his grasp of the playbook...Quick to read and react to the ball in flight and shows good confidence in his hand extension and timing on his leaps to get to the ball at its high point...Has the loose hips to quickly get back into the action on the rare times he over-pursues...Has the hand placement and mirror ability to stay tight on the receiver during deep routes...Has an explosive closing burst, doing a good job of keeping the action in front of him...Even with his timed speed, he does not get overconfident and give his opponent a large cushion, preferring to stay tight on his man throughout the route's progression...Demonstrates the body control to accelerate and adjust to the ball in flight...Can play off the ball, knowing he has the timed speed to close on the play...Maintains good relationship with the receiver and when he does eye the backfield, he is smart enough not to bite on play action...Has excellent range to make plays across the field...Very aggressive when combating for jump balls and will not hesitate to sacrifice his body and extend for the ball in a crowd...Shows good patience returning kickoffs, but is sudden when he spots the crease...Catches the ball naturally with his hands with the ability to secure the ball outside his frame...Lowers his pads and hits the opponent with a thud...More of a low-cut tackler, but has good wrap-up form.

Negatives: Will need to add more bulk to his frame to compete at the next level...Is fully recovered now, but has had several surgeries that eventually led to a fusion in his right wrist...Has a good understanding of the playbook, but just gets by academically (will not have a problem grasping the mental aspect of the game)...Plays with good field vision, but did lose focus at times as a junior (showed marked improvement in maintaining concentration as a senior)...Does not need to throttle down coming out of his breaks, but will round his cuts at times and needs to be more crisp when planting and driving...Generally gets good position to make the wrap tackle, but when he takes a side, he lacks the raw power to latch on and drag his opponent down.

Compares To: ELLIS HOBBS-New England...Like Hobbs, Wheatley is a solid shutdown cornerback, thanks to outstanding timed speed and a good understanding of route progression. He is fully recovered from wrist problems that hampered him earlier in his career and showed much better tackling form and power behind his hits as a senior. He has excellent timing and leaping ability competing for the ball in flight and brings added value as a kickoff returner. He makes good adjustments on the move and is an efficient cut tackler who knows how to lower and drive with his shoulder to take the blockers out of action. He will need to continue adding bulk to his frame, but that should not impact his exceptional acceleration. Like Hobbs, he is smart enough to play a variety of roles in the secondary and his versatility will be a plus earlier in his pro career.

Injury Report 2003: Underwent right wrist surgery in March to repair a dislocation.

2004: Bothered by hamstring and groin pulls in August camp...Had a second surgical procedure on his right wrist in February.

2005: Sat out the season after undergoing a third surgery on his right wrist in August.

2006: Broke the metal plate in his wrist vs. Arizona State (9/16), but continued to play, opting for surgery in November at the end of the regular season...Missed action at the end of the Iowa State clash (11/11) due to a concussion.

2007: Left the Florida State game (9/15) with two minutes remaining due to a knee sprain.

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And the CURSE of Bethel Johnson continues!!! Yaay another 5'9 midget to pair with our current 5'9 midget. Hobbs and Wheatly = Victimized in the Redzone!

You and this fictitious curse you keep bantering on about.

While I am just as surprised as the next person regarding the pick, to say that the Pats screwed it up is pretty friggin arrogant on your part. Especially when the kid hasn't played a down.

As for the Pats being "victimized in the Red Zone, nothing like over-reacting.
 
Every year (it seems) as I watch the draft, I am initially disappointed and confused because we don't usually pick any of the guys the "experts" have higher rated. But I usually feel a lot better a few days later and when you look back at our drafting record from the perspective of several years later, we certainly do pretty well.

So I guess I'm going to do the same thing again this year...
 
My positive spin on Wheatly is that he seems to have been a very good kick returner in college. And I did say that a guy who can make an impact on special teams is worth a 3rd rounder. So it's not that huge of a reach at the tail end of day 1.

One of the fastest players in college football, Wheatley's sudden burst and running stride has also brought him success as a kickoff returner. His 937 yards on kickoff returns rank fifth on the school's all-time record list and his 506 yards on those returns in 2007 marked the eighth time in Colorado annals that a player amassed more than 500 yards on kickoff returns in a season, and he still has six games in his final campaign to improve those totals.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/terrence-wheatley?id=328

I noticed you didn't acknowledge my post. I said he was an excellent cover CB and would be our primary KO returner. So you decided to do some research rather than trust someone's opinion? A 5'9" midget huh? Another Bethel Johnson?
 
You and this fictitious curse you keep bantering on about.

While I am just as surprised as the next person regarding the pick, to say that the Pats screwed it up is pretty friggin arrogant on your part. Especially when the kid hasn't played a down.

As for the Pats being "victimized in the Red Zone, nothing like over-reacting.

Unless Jerod Mayo is going to play CB, I don't see Hobbs or Wheatley stopping Buress in the endzone. But I'm sure because they are Patriots now, height magically doesn't matter.
 
Yes King from Penn State. He was the #52 player on Gosselin's board and the #8 corner (Godrey at #10), so Kiper and Gosselin agreed. Gosselin had Wheatley as the #15 corner.

I think we just picked a kick returner and dime back. I still expect Shepherd or Law to be added to Hobbs and Bryant.


King? The guy from Penn St.?
 
I can usually understand why so many people are negative about the Pats drafts, but for the life of me I don't understand where the negativity for these two picks is coming from.

Before the draft the consensus was LB and CB were the needs. So they take:

A young, versatile, ILB, who the FO clearly loves.
A corner/KR who the FO clearly feels is a better choice than King, Thomas, Smith, etc.
A high 3rd round pick, for a low 5th round pick.
 
I feel alot better about the pick after viewing his 3 cone and 40 time. Also the mention of his good cover skills is an added bonus. If Randal Gay can come in and be a solid contributor to this team, what is going to stop Wheatley from doing the same?

Did this cat field alot of punts?
 
Attention all you people who think that the Pats don't draft for value. NEED is part of the value equation. Listen to the damn coach for a change.

So, its not a coincidence. Its part of the whole equation for the evaluations of the players.

:yeahthat::eat3:
 
I noticed you didn't acknowledge my post. I said he was an excellent cover CB and would be our primary KO returner. So you decided to do some research rather than trust someone's opinion? A 5'9" midget huh? Another Bethel Johnson?

What I'm not allowed to do research on a Pats pick? It seems a logical enough thing to do. Like I said, with that added dimension Wheatley gives to the return game, this pick looks better than at 1st blush. I do wish he were a couple of inches taller, but that won't matter when returning kicks.
 
I feel alot better about the pick after viewing his 3 cone and 40 time. Also the mention of his good cover skills is an added bonus. If Randal Gay can come in and be a solid contributor to this team, what is going to stop Wheatley from doing the same?

Did this cat field alot of punts?

Yeah, cover skills are an added bonus to good combine numbers..................................................................................
 
Unless Jerod Mayo is going to play CB, I don't see Hobbs or Wheatley stopping Buress in the endzone. But I'm sure because they are Patriots now, height magically doesn't matter.

Course you don't because you don't understand that they can OUT-LEAP Burress in the Endzone. And, well, that means that, when one isn't playing with a torn GROIN, he's able to make the pick.

But, hey, you keep going on about the size of Wheatley and Hobbs. Forget about the fact that many of the best CBs are in the 5'9-5'11 range and not in the 6'1-6'3 range.
 
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