Ozymandias
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Since we obviously have folks that honestly believe that the Broncos have apparently the most prolific offense in the league's history, thought the topic deserves it's own thread for comedic purpoes, as it gave me a good laugh in the MNF thread.
Seemingly every season when any offense starts hot people immediately say it's as good as '07's team. For example, the 2011 Packers comparison was clear indication that a lot people on this board don't actually watch real football games and instead live in a fantasy football land where beating up on bottom feeders makes you the best ever apparently.
Why do I bring up the '11 Packers? Simply because, they, like the Broncos, benefited from a pathetically weak schedule and beat up on all of those scrub teams, but were destroyed when they actually went up against a legit defense. I don't even see the '13 Broncos being better than the '11 Packers on offense either, never mind the Patriots '07 squad.
But, I digress. So... let's break it down by virtue of the Tale of the Tape:
QB - Tom Brady was in his prime at this point and had the best season ever by a QB in any type of elements by any metric. Manning is 37 and his arm strength looks Chad Pennington-esque and we aren't even in the latter portion of the season yet. When the temperature starts to drop his play will along with it. Want proof of that? Refer to the AFCDG against the Ravens, where Manning could barely throw a ball beyond the sticks. Or did you block that out of your memory because it debunks your weak point?
Advantage: Patriots
RB - Sammy Morris (pre-injury), Kevin Faulk, and Maroney while nothing special are about the same as what the Broncos got. Moreno has been solid so far this season, but he has been a flop, near bust level. Ball is unproven and couldn't separate himself from the likes of Ronnie Hillman, who is a undersized turnover-prone RB.
Advantage: Patriots (slight)
WR - Don't I really need to go over this? Moss, at the tail end of his prime, was still the NFL's most dangerous deep threat and easily the best offensive weapon that season. Welker was 6 years younger, and had more speed and quickness than he does now, and was a lot more sure-handed. He's on the decline now in Denver. His skills are diminishing and his hands failing him more and more with each passing game. While Thomas is a good player, he doesn't compare to Moss in any way. Decker is arguably better than Gaffney and/or Stallworth.
Advantage: Patriots
TE - Julius Thomas, Jacob Tamme, Joel Dreessen and Virgil Green as a unit are better than Benjamin Watson, Kyle Brady, and David Thomas
Advantage: Broncos
OL - Ryan Clady is on IR and out for the year. Even before that the Patriots OLine still had the edge.
Advantage: Patriots
Schedule - In 2007, the Patriots had the 3rd hardest schedule, playing teams who had a .535 Winning %. They went undefeated against that schedule en route to scoring the most points ever.
Prior to the start of the 2013 season the least difficult schedule of 2013 was:
1. Denver Broncos (.430)
That was largely attributable to their weak divisional and inter-divisional match-ups. Three weeks into the season, they still have the fourth easiest schedule from here on out (the Patriots have the second hardest for anyone who cares, by the way). Playing against scrub divisions like the AFCW (sans the Chiefs) and the NFCE will make a lot of offenses look good. As does beating on bottom feeders like the Giants and the Raiders.
Padding the stats against horrendous teams doesn't suddenly make you the best offense ever. Please, stop spewing this nonsense every time you see an offense that scores a lot points.
Verdict: 2007 Patriots >>> 2013 Broncos
Now, let's hear these irrelevant arguments anointing them the best ever when they haven't done anything or beaten anyone of note. Go!
Seemingly every season when any offense starts hot people immediately say it's as good as '07's team. For example, the 2011 Packers comparison was clear indication that a lot people on this board don't actually watch real football games and instead live in a fantasy football land where beating up on bottom feeders makes you the best ever apparently.
Why do I bring up the '11 Packers? Simply because, they, like the Broncos, benefited from a pathetically weak schedule and beat up on all of those scrub teams, but were destroyed when they actually went up against a legit defense. I don't even see the '13 Broncos being better than the '11 Packers on offense either, never mind the Patriots '07 squad.
But, I digress. So... let's break it down by virtue of the Tale of the Tape:
QB - Tom Brady was in his prime at this point and had the best season ever by a QB in any type of elements by any metric. Manning is 37 and his arm strength looks Chad Pennington-esque and we aren't even in the latter portion of the season yet. When the temperature starts to drop his play will along with it. Want proof of that? Refer to the AFCDG against the Ravens, where Manning could barely throw a ball beyond the sticks. Or did you block that out of your memory because it debunks your weak point?
Advantage: Patriots
RB - Sammy Morris (pre-injury), Kevin Faulk, and Maroney while nothing special are about the same as what the Broncos got. Moreno has been solid so far this season, but he has been a flop, near bust level. Ball is unproven and couldn't separate himself from the likes of Ronnie Hillman, who is a undersized turnover-prone RB.
Advantage: Patriots (slight)
WR - Don't I really need to go over this? Moss, at the tail end of his prime, was still the NFL's most dangerous deep threat and easily the best offensive weapon that season. Welker was 6 years younger, and had more speed and quickness than he does now, and was a lot more sure-handed. He's on the decline now in Denver. His skills are diminishing and his hands failing him more and more with each passing game. While Thomas is a good player, he doesn't compare to Moss in any way. Decker is arguably better than Gaffney and/or Stallworth.
Advantage: Patriots
TE - Julius Thomas, Jacob Tamme, Joel Dreessen and Virgil Green as a unit are better than Benjamin Watson, Kyle Brady, and David Thomas
Advantage: Broncos
OL - Ryan Clady is on IR and out for the year. Even before that the Patriots OLine still had the edge.
Advantage: Patriots
Schedule - In 2007, the Patriots had the 3rd hardest schedule, playing teams who had a .535 Winning %. They went undefeated against that schedule en route to scoring the most points ever.
Prior to the start of the 2013 season the least difficult schedule of 2013 was:
1. Denver Broncos (.430)
That was largely attributable to their weak divisional and inter-divisional match-ups. Three weeks into the season, they still have the fourth easiest schedule from here on out (the Patriots have the second hardest for anyone who cares, by the way). Playing against scrub divisions like the AFCW (sans the Chiefs) and the NFCE will make a lot of offenses look good. As does beating on bottom feeders like the Giants and the Raiders.
Padding the stats against horrendous teams doesn't suddenly make you the best offense ever. Please, stop spewing this nonsense every time you see an offense that scores a lot points.
Verdict: 2007 Patriots >>> 2013 Broncos
Now, let's hear these irrelevant arguments anointing them the best ever when they haven't done anything or beaten anyone of note. Go!