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I know everyone will hate this but I am posting it anyway;

Overall pretty uninspiring group to date. Have they bettered the team yet...absoluely not, they are treading water or sinking.


Picking at 31 and at bottom of each round with Elliot Wolf in charge...do not expect any game changers.
Eagles are not trading AJ Brown even after June 1, for price patriots are willing to pay
They will not win double digit games this year.



KJ Britt- C- ...not even a JAG
Mike Brown- C-/D+ Vrabel loves to sign his old JAG buddies from tennesee
Kevin Byard- B, he is an old man but maybe they can squeeze one more solid year out of him, another Vrabel buddy from Titans
Romeo Doubs- B, definitely has upside but he is not an X receiver they need desperately, Diggs is still better
Reggie Gilliam- A-, best signing to date, they need solid backfield blockers desperately
Julian Hill B- wants to be best TE blocker in NFL at 245 pounds, I doubt it
James Hudson F WTF, bottom of the barrel
Dremont Jones B+ solid signing, good player,
Niko Lalos F definition of disposable camp body
Jesse Luketa C- nothing to write home about
Alijah Vera Tucker C+ injury waiting to happen
Kindle Vildor C another Vrabel Titans buddy....he is a mediocre JAG

Meaningful losses in FA

Chaisson, Lowe as backup T, Tavai and Tonga, Diggs
 
 
Byard > Hawkins
Vera Tucker/Wilson > Wilson/Bradbury
Jones > Chaisson
Hill > Hooper
Gilliam >>>Westover
Doubs and Diggs is tougher, except Doubs is much younger so giving him the edge.

Good offseason. Upgrades to a Super Bowl team.
 
I know everyone will hate this but I am posting it anyway;

Overall pretty uninspiring group to date. Have they bettered the team yet...absoluely not, they are treading water or sinking.


Picking at 31 and at bottom of each round with Elliot Wolf in charge...do not expect any game changers.
Eagles are not trading AJ Brown even after June 1, for price patriots are willing to pay
They will not win double digit games this year.



KJ Britt- C- ...not even a JAG
Mike Brown- C-/D+ Vrabel loves to sign his old JAG buddies from tennesee
Kevin Byard- B, he is an old man but maybe they can squeeze one more solid year out of him, another Vrabel buddy from Titans
Romeo Doubs- B, definitely has upside but he is not an X receiver they need desperately, Diggs is still better
Reggie Gilliam- A-, best signing to date, they need solid backfield blockers desperately
Julian Hill B- wants to be best TE blocker in NFL at 245 pounds, I doubt it
James Hudson F WTF, bottom of the barrel
Dremont Jones B+ solid signing, good player,
Niko Lalos F definition of disposable camp body
Jesse Luketa C- nothing to write home about
Alijah Vera Tucker C+ injury waiting to happen
Kindle Vildor C another Vrabel Titans buddy....he is a mediocre JAG

Meaningful losses in FA

Chaisson, Lowe as backup T, Tavai and Tonga, Diggs

You're posting it because you want to get reactions. Not have an ACTUAL conversation. That's what TROLLS. do.

You're the typical Whining Karen. You post stupid garbage like "the team won't win double digit games", post other stupid s**t and then throw a fit when people disagree with you.

What's hilarious is that you mention Vildor having a tie to Vrabel but completely ignore that Vildor was CUT by Vrabel after 5 games in 2023. While Vildor is a JAG, he had a significantly better year than Alex Austin. So he's an upgrade.

What's pathetic is you giving the signing of Lalos an F because he's a long snapper. Forget the fact that the Pats need to have a 2nd long snapper for mini-camps and heading into TC, but having someone they can sign in the event of an injury is also big.
 
Sam be a man not a whining Troll and do what you promised when you made the bet. Leave, join the jets or some other poor teams board.
You lost a bet, now see it through. But you are not man enough are you Sam?.
 
Have they bettered the team yet...absoluely not, they are treading water or sinking.

Actually they have upgraded at several positions. Their pass rush should be better than it was and their running game has a chance to be much better than it was. It wasn't all that last year.

Grading depth FA signings that have no chance to make the top of the depth chart (like Hudson) is like grading low risk 7th round draft picks. I mean... on what basis do you grade guys like that.

Niko Lalos F definition of disposable camp body
1 year $1M for a converted long snapper. You're not likely signing an all pro if you're paying someone that amount. Definition of low risk high reward.

Meaningful losses in FA
Chaisson, Lowe as backup T, Tavai and Tonga, Diggs
I will miss Diggs but let's be real he didn't make an impact in the playoffs.

3/21 and $14M guaranteed is a big overpay for the Chiefs for a run stuffer like Tonga. They need pass rushers and he isn't one. In fact I predict he will disappoint there.

They will not win double digit games this year.

If they don't it won't be because of their FA class.
 
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Sam is going to get his usual resistance, but it's not out of the realm of possibility the Pats slide in 2026 with a tougher schedule. Also, Brady has said along the lines that whatever you did last season, doesn't mean you'll do it again next season. Nothing is guaranteed.

And we seemed to block out that the Pats faced a brutal schedule in 2002 being one of the many reasons they barely won 9 games missing the playoffs.

FA was a little out of their control and I don't blame them for not signing players to the contracts they received. Pats need to hit on some upcoming draft picks.
 
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Still too early to grade this offseason until after the draft and post June 1 to see how the AJ Brown situation pans out.

So far its been a strong offseason IMO.
 
Sam is going to get his usual resistance, but it's not out of the realm of possibility the Pats slide in 2026 with a tougher schedule. Also, Brady has said along the lines that whatever you did last season, doesn't mean you'll do it again next season. Nothing is guaranteed.

And we seemed to block out that the Pats faced a brutal schedule in 2002 being one of the many reasons they barely won 9 games missing the playoffs.

Pats need to hit on some upcoming draft picks.
Their run defense was really bad in 2002 but I actually think Brady was noticeably a better QB in 02 than he was the prior chamnpionship season.

I like what they've done so far. It feels like Vrabel understands they can't just run it back and they've got to get better. With that said if they are reasonably healthy but still faceplant to say 6 wins - tough schedule or not a ton of questions will and should be asked including about the QB and coaching staff.
 
Their run defense was really bad in 2002 but I actually think Brady was noticeably a better QB in 02 than he was the prior chamnpionship season.

I like what they've done so far. It feels like Vrabel understands they can't just run it back and they've got to get better. With that said if they are reasonably healthy but still faceplant to say 6 wins - tough schedule or not a ton of questions will and should be asked including about the QB and coaching staff.
Most thought the Pats were better when they drafted Daniel Graham and Deion Branch, signed Victor Green, Cam Cleeland, Christian Fauria and.....Donald Hayes. Their defense overall was really bad defending both the run and pass. Brady was clearly a better passer, but wasn't that guy that could consistently put up 25+ points per game which was needed because the defense was so bad.
 
I know everyone will hate this but I am posting it anyway;

Overall pretty uninspiring group to date. Have they bettered the team yet...absoluely not, they are treading water or sinking.


Picking at 31 and at bottom of each round with Elliot Wolf in charge...do not expect any game changers.
Eagles are not trading AJ Brown even after June 1, for price patriots are willing to pay
They will not win double digit games this year.



KJ Britt- C- ...not even a JAG
Mike Brown- C-/D+ Vrabel loves to sign his old JAG buddies from tennesee
Kevin Byard- B, he is an old man but maybe they can squeeze one more solid year out of him, another Vrabel buddy from Titans
Romeo Doubs- B, definitely has upside but he is not an X receiver they need desperately, Diggs is still better
Reggie Gilliam- A-, best signing to date, they need solid backfield blockers desperately
Julian Hill B- wants to be best TE blocker in NFL at 245 pounds, I doubt it
James Hudson F WTF, bottom of the barrel
Dremont Jones B+ solid signing, good player,
Niko Lalos F definition of disposable camp body
Jesse Luketa C- nothing to write home about
Alijah Vera Tucker C+ injury waiting to happen
Kindle Vildor C another Vrabel Titans buddy....he is a mediocre JAG

Meaningful losses in FA

Chaisson, Lowe as backup T, Tavai and Tonga, Diggs
I think you over rate the existing Pats players.

Tavai is not a meaningful loss. Tavai might be signed by another team at the minimum for his ST play.

Lowe and Tonga are just above JAG level. Lots of guys can replace them.

Chaisson hurts a bit.

Diggs is a meaningful loss.
 
I know everyone will hate this but I am posting it anyway;

Overall pretty uninspiring group to date. Have they bettered the team yet...absoluely not, they are treading water or sinking.


Picking at 31 and at bottom of each round with Elliot Wolf in charge...do not expect any game changers.
Eagles are not trading AJ Brown even after June 1, for price patriots are willing to pay
They will not win double digit games this year.



KJ Britt- C- ...not even a JAG
Mike Brown- C-/D+ Vrabel loves to sign his old JAG buddies from tennesee
Kevin Byard- B, he is an old man but maybe they can squeeze one more solid year out of him, another Vrabel buddy from Titans
Romeo Doubs- B, definitely has upside but he is not an X receiver they need desperately, Diggs is still better
Reggie Gilliam- A-, best signing to date, they need solid backfield blockers desperately
Julian Hill B- wants to be best TE blocker in NFL at 245 pounds, I doubt it
James Hudson F WTF, bottom of the barrel
Dremont Jones B+ solid signing, good player,
Niko Lalos F definition of disposable camp body
Jesse Luketa C- nothing to write home about
Alijah Vera Tucker C+ injury waiting to happen
Kindle Vildor C another Vrabel Titans buddy....he is a mediocre JAG

Meaningful losses in FA

Chaisson, Lowe as backup T, Tavai and Tonga, Diggs
You forgot to mention they have the 2025 Coach of the year, a top 5 QB and MVP runner up &all pro at QB...

If we still had Bailey Zappe or mac Jones at QB then you'd have a point..

However Vrabel has to build a 90 man roster to enter camp with..there is NO way anyone can determine anything at this point.

Chaisson... signed another mercenary prove it contract 1 year 12m in Washington..

Tonga.. had a deal in place but it feel apart just like his play down the stretch.. good for him in KC.. farmer will take his snaps...

Lowe.. probably played is best ball of his career while Campbell was out and signed a deal in SF.. good for him he's a great person.

Diggs.. has multiple off the field legal issues that factored in as well as his unwilling to restructure.. it's all good it was always a one year deal anyway..

Tavai a depth veteran as well as Gibbens not significant losses..
 
I think you over rate the existing Pats players.

Tavai is not a meaningful loss. Tavai might be signed by another team at the minimum for his ST play.

Lowe and Tonga are just above JAG level. Lots of guys can replace them.

Chaisson hurts a bit.

Diggs is a meaningful loss.
I'd had like to retain Chaisson.. not sure what happened when he and the the team both wanted a deal to work out.. especially with the uncertainty of Landy..

Really hoping we can get hit on at least 2 edge rushers in the draft..
 
Can we rename this "Off-Season Game Day Thread"?

Agree with One-If-By-Sea a lot. Here are my perspectives...

With the much cried-about ("bemoaned" is too mild) conversation about having a "true number 1" receiver:
  • I'm sorry, that is what Diggs was. He's just not a top-5 receiver. He's what many teams have, the statistically most productive guy, just not a guy that must be accounted for every game.
  • I agree we need the WR corps to be at a similar or higher level. It does not have to all be in the person of one fantasy-football "get."
  • Yes, FA is a piece, yes drafting is a piece, but yes, developing within the system is a piece (Kyle Williams outside, F-Ton in the slot). Some guys have shown they're reliable but not world-beaters (e.g., Douglas, Boutte.) I still like Mack Hollins to surprise to the upside at his advanced age because he has crazy eyes but also for football reasons. Worst case, he's a tall, often open target w/a large catch radius who seems to have a vice grip on the ball in space and is a warrior in deep crossing routes. If D DM M is "made into Captain Checkdown," that's fine if "check down" can be to Hollins because your "True Number 1" can't get open for the home run.
  • D DM M threw for 4500+ yards then, yes, got "exposed" in the elements against 3 of the 5 best defenses in football. So cry me a river that the strength of schedule is higher... they're not all top-5 defenses. Many of last year's defenses, by the way, were well above the league average. People act like we're desperate to get a fantasy football star -- we're not. Lots of ways to maintain excellence, despite more opponents with slightly better records on average. Losing in the SB is not quite the guarantee of reversal that the OP seems to assume.
I can't stress this enough: if they sign a fantasy football "get," good on 'em. I will cheer with everybody else if AJ Brown ends up in Foxborough. But improvement will come from:
  • Replacement-as-available in plug n play free agency, e.g. Romeo Doubs -- sorry folks, this might be all that we get in FA, per this GDT jeremiad. that is okay.
  • Development of receivers who we've had in-house, per above
  • Further development of Maye - yes he could un-learn what he's great at (whoopsie!), but usually development does eventually result in better play. The process will continue of learning what constitutes a good choice, what constitutes a bad habit, etc. We're trying to break him of having to save the day with his legs after pissing away time playing patty cake with the ball, etc. Brady didn't have the wheels so he had to use his mind; unfortunately, the reverse dynamic - not locking in on the mental side of the game because his legs could always save him - is costing Maye. The good news is that this should be fixable, at least in large part.
  • Improved play on the O-Line through development, especially the rookie side. I think Campbell just couldn't get all the way back after injury and could not really fathom how long the NFL year is. Let's hope to see a strong sophomore bounce. AVT (see below) could be his linemate at L Guard thereby providing complementary help while Campbell develops (but does he have truly violent hands?)
  • Any bounce that the O-line gets through AVT/Gilliam acquisitions. If he's in a mood to make his mark in NE, there is plenty of room for him to make huge contributions on the left side of the OL (whether pass or run blocking). The FB acquisition (Reggie Gilliam) can similarly shore up weaknesses in either pass or run.
Rumor has it that the Patriots also can stop other teams from scoring, to achieve the task of scoring more than the other guys.
  • Please, somebody, show your ignorance by insisting our secondary in 2026 will be "meh." Best in the league, hands down.
  • Yes, it's rough if your pass rush isn't strong. That's a huge draft target. Gee we'll really have a tough time picking up edge help in this draft unless it's totally stacked at edge... OH THAT'S RIGHT. Seriously, I don't want to overplay the certainty of any pick when you start at 31, but it seems like we can shore up edge & run defense with confidence with the quality the secondary enjoys.
I don't know, this is already a long post. If I'm a Polyanna, I'd still rather be a fool who believes what's right in front of him even though it might go wrong, than always root for failure, but that's just me.
 
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