Curran: Brady has "got a lot of peers this year"

robertweathers said:

As of mid-Nov statistically hes near the bottom in comp % and QB rating vs 5 rushers.

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He was at the top last year...how do you explain the last throw. No pressure, Brady throws off his back foot falling down. Strange stuff

Tom Brady has put up 10 points on three occasions this season. I'm pretty sure Belichick didn't build this defense thinking "Schitt, we need to hold teams to 9 points to win games on the road". There's only so much $ you can spend on a team, and Belichick probably thought Edelman, Gronkowski, his shiny first round running back, Burkhead, Hogan, etc could put up points consistently.
Consider this, through 14 games the New England Patriots and their quarterback who has all the answers to the test have failed to score more than 20 points FOUR times through 14 games. This is a historically bad number for Brady.
I went back through Brady's last 10 seasons (didn't include the Brisett shutout vs Buffalo) and the last time a Patriots team was held below 21 four times in the first 14 games was 2013, and before that it was the 2009 garbage team who failed to break 21 five times.
Everything is more difficult for this offense, and it starts with Brady. Brady has become an average quarterback before our eyes this season. His stats are middle of the road, his performances have been inconsistent.
Belichick was 100% right in trying to get rid of Brady - the coach is surgical in his dumping players a year early as opposed to a year late. I really hope Krafty Bob is enjoying the extra kisses from Brady this season; I hope it was worth it Bob...

Patriots offense is bad right now. I never thought the offense would be the problem, but here we are...

If you look at our skilled players, we should be spreading teams out. We did so before with lesser players. Edelman, White, Gordon, Hogan, Dorsett spread out is a lot better than so many previous teams we've had.

Prime Brady would be feasting with this group.

Brady has not been seeing the field very well this year.

Gronkowski123 said:

He was at the top last year...how do you explain the last throw. No pressure, Brady throws off his back foot falling down. Strange stuff

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I have no explanation.

Can someone explain why coaching and coaches decisions are not being criticized more

Poor personal decisions or bad game planning has been the worst I have seen from a Patriots coaching staff in a long time!

NO replacement for DA. No back up TE. Can someone tell me why White is not being used anymore?

There was an article (maybe onn this site) that went into the decline of QB's it used Favre and possibly Payaton manning. The crux of the piece was that the decline of qbs isn't physical at first, its cognitive, its a decline in the ability to make quick decsions. As Farve got older it took longer to decide who to throw to and hesitating, just a fraction of a second could throw a timing play off, that could explain some of his throws that are slightly off. Another factor could be that TB well aware that at his age taking a big hit could end his career, therefore rushes his throws.

stevedogc said:

Can someone explain why coaching and coaches decisions are not being criticized more

Poor personal decisions or bad game planning has been the worst I have seen from a Patriots coaching staff in a long time!

NO replacement for DA. No back up TE. Can someone tell me why White is not being used anymore?

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Huh? Josh is killed on a hourly basis here and BB/Judge were eviscerated for leaving Gronk out there vs MIA.

reflexblue said:

There was an article (maybe onn this site) that went into the decline of QB's it used Favre and possibly Payaton manning. The crux of teh piece was that the decline of qrs isn't physical at first, its cognitive, its quick decsion making. As Farve got older it took longer to decide who to throw to and hesitating just a fraction of a second could throw a timing play off, that could explain some of his throws that are slightly off. Another factor could be that TB is thinking about his age and doesn't want to get hit figuring taking a bigt hit and being injured hes more likely to get hurt and it will take longer to come back, so he rushes his throws.

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I think there is truth to this.

robertweathers said:

I do wonder on the Haden INT if the arm failed him. Does that go OOB 2 years ago?

When hes able to step up and have good mechanics he looks great.

When his footwork is off, shoulder flies out or is off balance is when he gets in trouble.

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That's why I think the arm has lost some zip. He can still zing it, but he has no margin for error and has to get everything right in order to do so. And overcompensating for a weaker arm can lead to overthrows and bad mechanics. We'll see, I guess. Also, at least to my eye, on many of the swing pass or passes to the flat, the balls don't seem to be getting there as quickly as they used to.

FCB02062 said:

Tom Brady has put up 10 points on three occasions this season. I'm pretty sure Belichick didn't build this defense thinking "Schitt, we need to hold teams to 9 points to win games on the road". There's only so much $ you can spend on a team, and Belichick probably thought Edelman, Gronkowski, his shiny first round running back, Burkhead, Hogan, etc could put up points consistently.
Consider this, through 14 games the New England Patriots and their quarterback who has all the answers to the test have failed to score more than 20 points FOUR times through 14 games. This is a historically bad number for Brady.
I went back through Brady's last 10 seasons (didn't include the Brisett shutout vs Buffalo) and the last time a Patriots team was held below 21 four times in the first 14 games was 2013, and before that it was the 2009 garbage team who failed to break 21 five times.
Everything is more difficult for this offense, and it starts with Brady. Brady has become an average quarterback before our eyes this season. His stats are middle of the road, his performances have been inconsistent.
Belichick was 100% right in trying to get rid of Brady - the coach is surgical in his dumping players a year early as opposed to a year late. I really hope Krafty Bob is enjoying the extra kisses from Brady this season; I hope it was worth it Bob...

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I don’t buy for a second that Bill tried to dump Brady. The Patriots would never get anything back for a 40+ year old QB that wouldn’t make a crowd of torches and pitchforks show up at Foxboro.

sb1 said:

I don’t buy for a second that Bill tried to dump Brady.

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You don't know that. All indications are they wanted to work out something with Jimmy. By default that means Bill would have the backup in place if either Tom crashed and burned or some team offered a king's ransom, send him on his way.

sb1 said:

The Patriots would never get anything back for a 40+ year old QB

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Sure they would

sb1 said:

that wouldn’t make a crowd of torches and pitchforks show up at Foxboro.

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Bob cares about that stuff. Bill does not.

QuantumMechanic said:

That's why I think the arm has lost some zip. He can still zing it, but he has no margin for error and has to get everything right in order to do so. And overcompensating for a weaker arm can lead to overthrows and bad mechanics. We'll see, I guess. Also, at least to my eye, many of the swing pass or passes to the flat balls don't seem to be getting there as quickly as they used to.

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After 14 games I think it's pretty clear Tom is not "Tom" anymore. Arm, footwork, decisions, OTAs.

The question is ...is he still good enough to lead the team to the SB.

I don't know anymore.

robertweathers said:

You don't know that. All indications are they wanted to work out something with Jimmy. By default that means Bill would have the backup in place if either Tom crashed and burned or some team offered a king's ransom, send him on his way.

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But I don’t think a team out there would give us a kings ransom and that’s what I meant when I said “get anything”. I think the market for a 40+ year old Brady is limited actually. No young rebuilding team would want him for obvious reasons. No contending team with a QB would want him again for obvious reasons. The only teams I could see wanting him are the Broncos who need a QB and are at the end of their window with Miller and defense or a team like the Jets or Jax who want to use him to sell tickets more than anything he can do on the field at this point. But none of them are all that desperate and I doubt the Pats would be inclined to help division and conference rivals anyway. And of course the Pats would need another QB to go with Jimmy.

I think the idea that they could ask for the moon for a 40+ year old Brady in a trade and get it is a fantasy. Imo. If they get “only” a third rounder (which to me is fair market) that would not go over well.

condon84 said:

If you look at our skilled players, we should be spreading teams out. We did so before with lesser players. Edelman, White, Gordon, Hogan, Dorsett spread out is a lot better than so many previous teams we've had.

Prime Brady would be feasting with this group.

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I disagree. Look back over some of our wins early in the year and we were having success running the ball and using play action off the run. We had a good drive running in the 1st half yesterday (stalled because of a hold) and then abandoned the run until close to the 4th. Running the ball also limits the pass rush.

At 41 let’s take some of the pressure off Brady and use the RB we spent a 1st rounder on. Michel ran well yesterday but only had 13 carries.

sb1 said:

But I don’t think a team out there would give us a kings ransom. I think the market for a 40+ year old Brady is limited actually. No young rebuilding team would want him for obvious reasons. No contending team with a QB would want him again for obvious reasons. The only teams I could see wanting him are the Broncos who need a QB and are at the end of their window with Miller and defense or a team like the Jets or Jax who want to use him to sell tickets more than anything he can do on the field at this point. But none of them are all that desperate and I doubt the Pats would be inclined to help division and conference rivals anyway. And of course the Pats would need another QB to go with Jimmy.

I think the idea that they could ask for the moon for a 40+ year old Brady in a trade and get it is a fantasy. Imo. If they get “only” a third rounder which to me is fair market that would not go over well.

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Agree. King's ransom...no. I do think a team that is the proverbial "one player away" with a ****ty Qb situation would give up a 3rd or maybe a conditional 2nd for Tom. Hes still very good and a very reasonable contract for a starting QB.

I don't think Bill cares what will/will not go over well.

robertweathers said:

After 14 games I think it's pretty clear Tom is not "Tom" anymore. Arm, footwork, decisions, OTAs.

The question is ...is he still good enough to lead the team to the SB.

I don't know anymore.

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Sure he could do it, he needs to be surrounded with a better cast and a much better defense. Remember when he started out he wasn'tasked to do much,except take care of the ball and not make any mistakes (theres a word that describes this, but i'm old and it just slipped my mind) and the team relied on the defense to win.

reflexblue said:

Sure he could do it, he needs to be surrounded with a better cast and a much better defense. Remember when he started out he wasn'tasked to do much,except take care of the ball and not make any mistakes (theres a word that describes this, but i'm old and it just slipped my mind) and the team relied on the defense to win.

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I believe you are looking for the word, 'caretaker'.

The problem I have is Tom is not making good decisions.

The brain fart vs MIA and the Haden INT were Bledsoe-esque.

reflexblue said:

Remember when he started out he wasn'tasked to do much,except take care of the ball and not make any mistakes (theres a word that describes this, but i'm old and it just slipped my mind) and the team relied on the defense to win.

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"game manager". But watch out, because that's a trigger word to lots of people here.