How much longer in the Brady era?

[jeffbiologist]

Take away Moss' numbers and Brady's are good but pedestrian in comparison. Now I know it wasnt all Moss either, its the cross-rift(like in cards)between he and Welker that spread the D so much, and the line blocked well enough....for a QB NOT AS GOOD as Brady could have succeeded(though not to HIS level for sure). I will put his season in the Kurt Warner catagory where the offense was set up to smoke teams and just needed a catalyst. With Warner, you note that Faulk won MVP the next year. Maybe Moss will get his due this year? He is the one that changes the field for Brady to throw, and with a season like he had not to get 1 vote is a disservice to all diva WRs,lol.

 

[ScottieC]

Take away Moss' numbers and Brady's are good but pedestrian in comparison. Now I know it wasnt all Moss either, its the cross-rift(like in cards)between he and Welker that spread the D so much, and the line blocked well enough....for a QB NOT AS GOOD as Brady could have succeeded(though not to HIS level for sure). I will put his season in the Kurt Warner catagory where the offense was set up to smoke teams and just needed a catalyst. With Warner, you note that Faulk won MVP the next year. Maybe Moss will get his due this year? He is the one that changes the field for Brady to throw, and with a season like he had not to get 1 vote is a disservice to all diva WRs,lol.

Kurt Warner catagory? Ok, I'm out of this one - I don't have it in me.

 

[Raffy15]

Take away Moss' numbers and Brady's are good but pedestrian in comparison. Now I know it wasnt all Moss either, its the cross-rift(like in cards)between he and Welker that spread the D so much, and the line blocked well enough....for a QB NOT AS GOOD as Brady could have succeeded(though not to HIS level for sure). I will put his season in the Kurt Warner catagory where the offense was set up to smoke teams and just needed a catalyst. With Warner, you note that Faulk won MVP the next year. Maybe Moss will get his due this year? He is the one that changes the field for Brady to throw, and with a season like he had not to get 1 vote is a disservice to all diva WRs,lol.

you do realize that brady is the player in football right? 24 tds and 12 picks with caldwell and gaffney? thats insane!

 

[Deus Irae]

Take away Moss' numbers and Brady's are good but pedestrian in comparison. Now I know it wasnt all Moss either, its the cross-rift(like in cards)between he and Welker that spread the D so much, and the line blocked well enough....for a QB NOT AS GOOD as Brady could have succeeded(though not to HIS level for sure). I will put his season in the Kurt Warner catagory where the offense was set up to smoke teams and just needed a catalyst. With Warner, you note that Faulk won MVP the next year. Maybe Moss will get his due this year? He is the one that changes the field for Brady to throw, and with a season like he had not to get 1 vote is a disservice to all diva WRs,lol.

Kurt Warner was the best quarterback in the game at the time. His timing on his passes was tremendous, and his accuracy was a thing of beauty. The hand injury he suffered robbed him of some of that and made him a lesser quarterback. However, even today, he can still play the game. He's a 2 time MVP for a reason, and it's not just because of Marshall Faulk.

 

[Drewwho]

Take away Moss' numbers and Brady's are good but pedestrian in comparison. Now I know it wasnt all Moss either, its the cross-rift(like in cards)between he and Welker that spread the D so much, and the line blocked well enough....for a QB NOT AS GOOD as Brady could have succeeded(though not to HIS level for sure). I will put his season in the Kurt Warner catagory where the offense was set up to smoke teams and just needed a catalyst. With Warner, you note that Faulk won MVP the next year. Maybe Moss will get his due this year? He is the one that changes the field for Brady to throw, and with a season like he had not to get 1 vote is a disservice to all diva WRs,lol.

7 years as a starter and he brought the team to 5 AFC Championship games, 4 Superbowls and 3 Championships. Yeah, he is pretty average!

 

[Raffy15]

Kurt Warner was the best quarterback in the game at the time. His timing on his passes was tremendous, and his accuracy was a thing of beauty. The hand injury he suffered robbed him of some of that and made him a lesser quarterback. However, even today, he can still play the game. He's a 2 time MVP for a reason, and it's not just because of Marshall Faulk.

i totally agree. the guy was a top 3 player in the nfl at the time and was on his way to the hall of fame.

 

[Leave No Doubt]

this is a tough thread for me to read. it brings back the last two years, when TB was, as he remains today, at the peak of his talent.

in one of those years, the pats' Front Office, for whatever reasons that we can debate forever, stripped him of his best weapons and he still almost got it done, with the team running out of steam in the second half of that game in indy we all want to forget. last year, he had the weapons but, for reasons that have been debated for hundreds of hours out here, it didn't happen in Arizona.

that's easily two more rings he might have had with just a few things breaking differently, some in his control, many not. but the nfl is a tough place to win and every season has its "woulda, shoulda, coulda" teams. The mountain that will loom before the pats and 31 other teams next week is an incredibly difficult one to climb, as BB points out every year at just about this time.

I don't know what the next three or four years of his career at the peak of his powers will bring, but, personally, I don't ask anything else of him. he's brought it all and he's given it all. another trophy would be incredibly satisfying, but Tom Brady has nothing else to prove.

Well said.

* I hope he stays around until he's groomed his successor or re-signs in a Vinnie Testeverde/ Doug Flutie type role...comes into the game for just one huge final play like Flutie's drop kick or some career record breaker... he'll retire a Patriot too

 

[jeffbiologist]

Hey, I never said the 2001 Kurt Warner was average, far from it. He was compared to Dan Marino for good reason, but if you ask BB or any coach who they chose to gameplan against it was Faulk. I love Warner, he had 2 bad years and got bumped around ALOT the next 3....and I love him outplaying the 1st rd pretty boy!
But if you are talking NUMBERS...Tom hasnt done it 2 years in a row yet. He certainly has every chance to do it now, and his dad even said he had a better year in 06.....My point wasnt ever to diss Tom, it was to make the arguement that Moss deserved ALOT more credit than he got--or is getting.
Realize this one thing though....of all the dynasties there have ever been in the NFL......NOT ONE EVER LOST A SUPER BOWL. We have a ways to go now to re-earn our dynasty status......

 

[Raffy15]

Hey, I never said the 2001 Kurt Warner was average, far from it. He was compared to Dan Marino for good reason, but if you ask BB or any coach who they chose to gameplan against it was Faulk. I love Warner, he had 2 bad years and got bumped around ALOT the next 3....and I love him outplaying the 1st rd pretty boy!
But if you are talking NUMBERS...Tom hasnt done it 2 years in a row yet. He certainly has every chance to do it now, and his dad even said he had a better year in 06.....My point wasnt ever to diss Tom, it was to make the arguement that Moss deserved ALOT more credit than he got--or is getting.
Realize this one thing though....of all the dynasties there have ever been in the NFL......NOT ONE EVER LOST A SUPER BOWL. We have a ways to go now to re-earn our dynasty status......

so you admit that tom is the best player in the nfl?

 

[Raffy15]

Well said.

* I hope he stays around until he's groomed his successor or re-signs in a Vinnie Testeverde/ Doug Flutie type role...comes into the game for just one huge final play like Flutie's drop kick or some career record breaker... he'll retire a Patriot too

that would be humiliating to tom though. backing up? no way, i would rather see him go out starting.

 

[jeffbiologist]

so you admit that tom is the best player in the nfl?

He was last year....but again past performance doesnt mean much in the NFL. If I told you how Warner would fall from grace like this in 2001 you would call me all kinds of names but it happened. Lets hope there is no superbowl hangover, we dont lose players to injury or suspension, and the players do something that they havent in 4 years........4 years........

 

[jmt57]

He(Brady) will be the first to agree, the QB gets too much blame when they lose and too much credit when they win. He didnt somehow take a strange steroid that lept him past Peyton in TD tosses......it was his teammates, on this I bet we agree. I mean his own DAD said his 06 season was better than his 07. Not meant as sacreledge(sp?)but knowing this I dont know why Moss didnt get a single vote for MVP, that kinda shocks me. What does a guy gotta do?? He made the offense so completely different than the year before...

The QB indeed usually gets too much credit and too much blame, but even a salesman who could sell freezers to eskimos would have trouble selling the public on Randy Moss, Brett Favre, or whomever else as the 2007 MVP over Brady, just as they would have had just as difficult a time of selling Brady as the MVP for the 2006 season.

The best performance I ever had as an account manager was the quarter after my territory was split due to growth, the company was on a profit margin rather than revenue directive, and my biggest customer was maxed out on their credit line. I managed to get more business out of more accounts that had never done much of anything with my company. Do you think I won any awards or bonuses for that performance? No, in fact, it I finished below quota and had one one of my worst paydays - I could barely pay my bills. It's not always fair, but that's the way it is, in sports and in life.

NFL football is the ultimate team game yet we focus on individual performances and awards. Regardless of the various sources for where the credit lies, you can't take away from Brady's part in the team's success.