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Patriots' Kaczur arrested for illegal possession of painkillers

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I understand that drugs are sold at schools, what I am getting at is that we're not seeing a drug dealer pull up in his drugmobile hoping to get kids hooked. Kids start out normally out of curiousity and peer pressure. Someone they know has weed, coke or whatever. They ask them if they want to try it, and either they do or don't. If they try it, either they continue using it or they don't. Then the cycle continues.

I can't say this any more clearly: you're wrong. Not about how some kids start/experiment, but about dealers not taking a physically active role in getting kids hooked on their product.
 
If you're caught speeding, you're a criminal.

If you're caught jaywalking, you're a criminal.

If you're caught littering, you're a criminal.

If you're caught getting or giving oral in a few select states, you're a criminal.

This is fun.

Still, better than a criminal or druggie.
 
I can't say this any more clearly: you're wrong. Not about how some kids start/experiment, but about dealers not taking a physically active role in getting kids hooked on their product.

Maybe you're better off getting the kids home schooled. That way if they screw up, there's only one person to blame.
 
If you're caught speeding, you're a criminal.

If you're caught jaywalking, you're a criminal.

If you're caught littering, you're a criminal.

If you're caught getting or giving oral in a few select states, you're a criminal.

This is fun.

Not all violations/infractions are crimes.
 
If a druggie is caught with drugs, he becomes a criminal. If he's caught under the influence, he becomes a criminal. If he's caught robbing or stealing, he becomes a criminal. If he's caught ****ting in public, he becomes a criminal. Actually, if he's using illegal drugs obtained through illegal means than he's a criminal.

So, yes, I'm better than a druggie, but equal to law-abiding druggies.

No, you're more law-abiding than criminals, but not better.

do you understand what it means to consider yourself "better-than" anyone?

Yes, I'd rather hang out with you than a criminal, but I don't view you as better. Nor do I view myself as better.

I did a lot of illegal things when I was an active addict, but I've always been a good man. When i got sober, I was a sick man trying to get well, not bad man trying to get good.

I became friends with a man who killed someone in a drunken fight. He spent 17 years in Walpole. He never even remembered the fight. he woke in jail wondering what he had done this time. Imagine being killing someone in a blackout and waking up to that reality.

After knowing him for 8 years sober, I realized he was never an evil man. He was certainly as tough as they come, but not a "bad" man at all.
 
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I understand that drugs are sold at schools, what I am getting at is that we're not seeing a drug dealer pull up in his drugmobile hoping to get kids hooked. Kids start out normally out of curiousity and peer pressure. Someone they know has weed, coke or whatever. They ask them if they want to try it, and either they do or don't. If they try it, either they continue using it or they don't. Then the cycle continues.

Dude, you are wrong. In case you missed my last post on the other screen...

http://www.10news.com/news/13360601/detail.html
Experts said dealers are being forced to get creative because teen drug use is on the decline.

"They need to find new customers, and they're trying to drum up business," said Bylsma.

And dealers know they've got to hook customers while they're young.

"If they reach the age of 21 and they haven't begun to use, then their chances of them using are very, very small," said Bylsma.
 
Maybe you're better off getting the kids home schooled. That way if they screw up, there's only one person to blame.

Now that is something I can agree with you about and something that is happening more and more every year.
 
Not anymore. Those laws are unconstitutional.

Right. Before 2003? Criminal. After 2003? Not criminal.

That begs the question: What will some people say if/when drugs are decriminalized?
 
So by your line of thinking, McDpnald's is at fault for people getting fat and Phillip Morris is at fault for people getting addicted to cigarettes? Wrong. Fat people made the conscious decision to pick up a cheeseburger and smokers (including myself) made the conscious decision to get a pack of cigarettes. Advertisement can only do so much without human judgemental error.

You do realize that both of your statements are false, yes?

1) Phillip Morris IS at fault for getting people addicted to cigarettes because they falsely advertised and kept the incredients from people. It turns out that they purposely put things into it that make people crave them. Things like chocolate. It also turns out they put things like formaldehyde into them. Why do you think they've had to pay out billions in damages.

2) Fat IS addicting. McDonald's, for years, purposely refused to disclose how much fat content was in their burgers.

While you made the concious decsion to start smoking, your body is now addicted to it and its extremely difficult to stop because of the things that Phillip Morris and others have put into the cigarettes.
 
Maybe you're better off getting the kids home schooled. That way if they screw up, there's only one person to blame.

Maybe you're better off not ever being responsible for a child.
 
You do realize that both of your statements are false, yes?

1) Phillip Morris IS at fault for getting people addicted to cigarettes because they falsely advertised and kept the incredients from people. It turns out that they purposely put things into it that make people crave them. Things like chocolate. It also turns out they put things like formaldehyde into them. Why do you think they've had to pay out billions in damages.

2) Fat IS addicting. McDonald's, for years, purposely refused to disclose how much fat content was in their burgers.

While you made the concious decsion to start smoking, your body is now addicted to it and its extremely difficult to stop because of the things that Phillip Morris and others have put into the cigarettes.

I guess you & I agree on a lot of things too. I already wrote almost exactly what you wrote in #1, but I guess Kontra doesn't want to debate me.
 
Dude, you are wrong. In case you missed my last post on the other screen...

http://www.10news.com/news/13360601/detail.html

You proved a point, and only because that was the angle TV station took. Grab a cookie.

Another, more accurate take on this story.

Bitter fight over sweet pot treats
Drug agents fear candies appeal to kids -- medical marijuana users insist they're legal
Henry K. Lee, Chronicle Staff Writer

Saturday, March 18, 2006

They had colorful labels and names such as Trippy, Stoney Rancher, Toka-Cola, Pot Tart and Budtella.

To federal drug agents, they were dangerous marijuana-laced concoctions that could fall into the hands of children. But to sick patients who rely on cannabis to ease their symptoms, they were just tasty ways to get their medicine -- and legal under California law.

Federal agents who converged on several of what they called "marijuana candy factories" in the East Bay on Thursday seized hundreds of sodas and candies laced with marijuana in what they said was the largest bust of its kind on the West Coast.

Authorities say the drug is illegal no matter what form it takes, especially marijuana candy products that mimic mainstream candies and are attractive to youths.

But angry medical-marijuana patients said Friday that investigators are blowing smoke and that the raids in Oakland and Emeryville on Thursday are just the latest proof that federal investigators are running roughshod over local and state laws that allow for medicinal cannabis use.

In 1996, California voters approved Proposition 215, which allows the use of marijuana for medical purposes with a doctor's recommendation. Despite the law, authorities -- from the California Highway Patrol to the Drug Enforcement Administration -- have pounced on local marijuana-growing operations in the Bay Area, including locations in San Francisco and Sonoma County in December.

The candy-factory raids are the latest crackdown.

"I think the government is once again trying to create terror through our community," said Angel Raich, 40, of Oakland, who uses the drug to treat pain, nausea and seizures associated with a brain tumor and a wasting syndrome. "I do know for a fact that medical-cannabis candy and those kinds of products are in the dispensaries, and patients do use them."

Rick Steeb, 55, of San Jose, who uses marijuana to treat the pain from glaucoma, said he's "never seen (the candy) outside the dispensaries. It's not like they were being sold in convenience stores."

But Special Agent Casey McEnry, spokeswoman for the DEA, the agency that conducted this week's raids, said Friday that marijuana "is a violation of federal law in this form and in the smoked form. Even though there may be claims that these weren't meant for kids, the packaging may suggest otherwise."

The alleged ringleader, Kenneth Affolter, 39, of Lafayette, six other men and five women appeared Friday before U.S. Magistrate Bernard Zimmerman in San Francisco and were ordered held without bail pending a hearing next week.

Affolter, whose nickname is "Kena," operated Beyond Bomb, a manufacturer of the marijuana treats, from adjoining warehouses at 1055 and 1071 Yerba Buena Ave. and 3960 Adeline St. in Emeryville, DEA Special Agent William Armstrong wrote in an affidavit unsealed Friday.

Investigators learned that a $3,913 PG&E balance for a month's period covered all three locations and was billed to Affolter, Armstrong wrote.

Affolter is listed as president of Clear Soap, which is under suspension for failing to pay state taxes, DEA Special Agent Jason Chin wrote in an affidavit. Affolter told Oakland police officers who responded to a silent alarm at one of the Yerba Buena warehouses last month that "he made soaps and candles," agents wrote.

Marijuana candies have been around for at least five years, cannabis users say. But raids of these products only began recently.

In May, police seized Beyond Bomb products from Compassionate Caregivers, a medical-marijuana dispensary in Los Angeles. In July, DEA agents seized Beyond Bomb candies from a San Lorenzo home.

Oakland's Compassionate Caregivers Club at 1740 Telegraph Ave., which Affolter used as a marijuana-cultivation site, was also searched as part of this week's raids, which netted up to 5,000 marijuana plants and $150,000 in cash, authorities said.

At the Telegraph Avenue site, agents found more than 100 marijuana plants, authorities said. Growers there wore identical gray, short-sleeve collared shirts and white lab coats, Armstrong wrote.

Employees also meticulously tracked their work hours on time cards, affidavits said.

Affolter's attorney, Robert Byers of Oakland, said Friday that it was unfair for authorities to claim that children could end up eating Beyond Bomb's creations.

"They know it's not marketed for kids," Byers said. "They're only seen in the context of people who use medical marijuana. A sweet, nice-tasting product is certainly going to benefit them."

Officer, the drug dealer who handed me these treats and sodas didn't tell me they had marijuana in them. Really, I couldn't tell.






 
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Again, what YOU experienced using OxyContin may not be what Kaczur experienced. Due to the differences in body chemistry, size and weight. So, NO, you do not have enough Pathos on the subject to speak out about it.
-Kaczur and myself took the same drug. The difference is that I made the decision not to seek it out and he did not.

There is no "vendetta" against you. You aren't worth the time or the effort to have a "vendetta". I disagree with you when you talk out your arse. As I do with others who talk out their arses.
-If this was true than you have many, many vendettas against yourself.

I live down the street from an elementary school. Its about 300 ft from my front door. I can count on one hand the number of times there has been a police officer on this street during school. One of the times was because I filed a complaint with the school about parents driving the wrong way on the street.
-You are aware that every elementary school in the nation has their own resource officers, correct?

Yes. And its a stupid thread. Especially since it was just a yes or no question that was asked and its not really a yes or no answer.
-I'm laughing at how you basically just admitted that your statement was completely assanine.

I admitted to not knowing the injury. Yet, you sit there and act all high and mighty like there is no injury he could have had that could have caused him enough pain where he'd seek out some heavy pain killers without notifying the team.
-Every injury is serious enough to where the player in question should notify the team. The fact that he didn't notify the team is one of the reasons why I have a problem with this entire situation.
 
I guess you & I agree on a lot of things too. I already wrote almost exactly what you wrote in #1, but I guess Kontra doesn't want to debate me.

Either that or I'm at work and am only typing on one arm. Believe me, your tear jerking arguments don't scare me.

1. I never said the drug dealer wasn't at fault. You guys are the one's pointing the finger saying it was 100% his fault when Kaczur came to him in the first place. So when I say Phillip Morris and McDonald's are not 100% to blame that's what I mean.

2. Phillip Morris did put addictive ingredients into cigs but they didn't put a gun to my head and force me to buy their product. I made the conscious decision to do it on my own which is why I blame my addiction on myself and not Phillip Morris.

3. So because McDonald's didn't disclose their ingredients, they are 100% at fault for people being fat? Wrong. Fat people are at fault for it because they'd rather pay $5 for crap than get off their fat asses and shop for groceries and work out. Oh, and saying McDonald's is addictive is just icing on the cake. I don't even have to bury you here... you're doing it for me.
 
This thread is being hijacked with personal barbs (not attacks, yet) back and forth. Lets get back on subject or maybe the thread will be closed.
 
This thread is being hijacked with personal barbs (not attacks, yet) back and forth. Lets get back on subject or maybe the thread will be closed.

You really should have chimed in with this when MoLewis wished futher harm on my shoulder and called me a "tough guy" all because I dared to disagree with him. I might have launched a few of these but only because it was in response to people taking jabs at me.
 
This thread is being hijacked with personal barbs (not attacks, yet) back and forth. Lets get back on subject or maybe the thread will be closed.


Don't worry, Kontra and I won this one. Shut it down.
 
Actually, you should leave it open. This thread has gotten more action than Fixit's mom on a Saturday night.




Easy there, tiger. I'm just joking with you.
 
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