I already love Jacas

[Huckleberry1]

Not yet... not yet. Can he cover in the passing game? Have you guys seen it? Don't annoint...

He's not going to be a guy who drops into coverage very often, he's a run defender and edge rushers.

 

[Thelonious]

We shall see. His record for honesty, it seems, may not be stellar.

 

[n1997y]

We shall see. His record for honesty, it seems, may not be stellar.

When was he dishonest?

Do you really consider not saying anything when you are not obligated to say anything as being dishonest?

 

[Huckleberry1]

We shall see. His record for honesty, it seems, may not be stellar.

This is 100% ********.

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

Remember when Keion White made that mean face on draft night? This board went wild and thought he was going to throw T's out of the club.

Really hoped he would not play how he did but....that's the draft i guess...

 

[SlowGettingUp]

That knee injury is unfortunately likely to be a long-term issue - the doc here thinks it's 50:50 if he makes it to a second contract.

In depth conversations with former NFL doctor, David Chao - The Boston Globe

Ben Volin breaks down the Patriot injuries with Dr. David Chao.

www.bostonglobe.com

 

[Salsalife]

....why would and edge rusher's ability to 'cover in the passing game' matter in the slightest?

Who again picks up the back on passing plays, the linebacker right? Ok please read..
Yes, an outside linebacker (OLB) often picks up a running back on passing plays, but it depends entirely on the defensive scheme, the side of the field they play on, and where the back runs. [1]

Scheme and Alignment Rules

• • 4-3 Defense (Weak-side "Will" Backer): The Will linebacker is fast and frequently responsible for covering a running back who leaks out to their side of the field or goes out on a route. [1]
  • 4-3 Defense (Strong-side "Sam" Backer): The Sam linebacker usually matches up with a tight end, leaving the back-field coverage to middle or weak-side linebackers, though they may pick up a back if the tight end stays to block. [1, 2]
  • 3-4 Defense: Outside linebackers in a 3-4 scheme act primarily as edge pass rushers. They rarely cover running backs unless running a zone-blitz drop; coverage on backs usually falls to the inside linebackers.

 

[Salsalife]

He's not going to be a guy who drops into coverage very often, he's a run defender and edge rushers.

McGinest did? Belichick said he ain't playing if he can't cover a back? I'm sure you can ask Vrabel what he thinks.

 

[TheRainMaker]

McGinest did? Belichick said he ain't playing if he can't cover a back? I'm sure you can ask Vrabel what he thinks.

And it's not a good idea. The Pats LB's have been awful in coverage dating all the way back to the Parcells days. Patricia was getting desperate and put Trey Flowers on an island at times in coverage in Detroit. That was tough to watch. Chandler Jones switched to OLB in Arizona, but they didn't get cute and let him pin his ears back and focus on getting to the QB. Jacas needs to just strictly be a pass rusher - especially given his knee situation. The last thing I want to see is him back peddling or moving east-west on a ball carrier and his knee gets caught in the dirt.

 

[mikey m]

McGinest did? Belichick said he ain't playing if he can't cover a back? I'm sure you can ask Vrabel what he thinks.

Amazes me how many here can't move on from how this team operated 10-20 years ago.

We have to fill McGinest Elephant role!!!
OMG Drake needs a Wes Welker clone on the field!! Cut Pop get Chis in there!!!

Newsflash, it's a different league and we're a different team. There's not going to be 1:1 comparisons all over the field.

 

[Salsalife]

And it's not a good idea. The Pats LB's have been awful in coverage dating all the way back to the Parcells days. Patricia was getting desperate and put Trey Flowers on an island at times in coverage in Detroit. That was tough to watch. Chandler Jones switched to OLB in Arizona, but they didn't get cute and let him pin his ears back and focus on getting to the QB. Jacas needs to just strictly be a pass rusher - especially given his knee situation. The last thing I want to see is him back peddling or moving east-west on a ball carrier and his knee gets caught in the dirt.

Well I'd shame for that weakness for sure when he's in the game. B.T.W, Vrabel covered backs also.
Yes, as a versatile linebacker during his playing days and a defensive-minded head coach, Mike Vrabel has frequently dealt with covering running backs out of the backfield. As a former Pro Bowl linebacker who played both inside and outside for the New England Patriots and other teams, matching up against and containing pass-catching running backs in space and man-to-man coverage was a core part of his defensive responsibilities.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Well I'd shame for that weakness for sure when he's in the game. B.T.W, Vrabel covered backs also.
Yes, as a versatile linebacker during his playing days and a defensive-minded head coach, Mike Vrabel has frequently dealt with covering running backs out of the backfield. As a former Pro Bowl linebacker who played both inside and outside for the New England Patriots and other teams, matching up against and containing pass-catching running backs in space and man-to-man coverage was a core part of his defensive responsibilities.

Vrabel and McGinest were awesome edge setters, but coverage was a glaring weakness. They really struggled badly against TE's or got caught in open space.

 

[Mack Herron]

That knee injury is unfortunately likely to be a long-term issue - the doc here thinks it's 50:50 if he makes it to a second contract.

In depth conversations with former NFL doctor, David Chao - The Boston Globe

Ben Volin breaks down the Patriot injuries with Dr. David Chao.

www.bostonglobe.com

Can you summarize what is behind the paywall? Diagnosis?

 

[mikey m]

Can you summarize what is behind the paywall? Diagnosis?

If you want to go down the AI rabbit hole with me..

 

[patchick]

Well I'd shame for that weakness for sure when he's in the game. B.T.W, Vrabel covered backs also.
Yes, as a versatile linebacker during his playing days and a defensive-minded head coach, Mike Vrabel has frequently dealt with covering running backs out of the backfield. As a former Pro Bowl linebacker who played both inside and outside for the New England Patriots and other teams, matching up against and containing pass-catching running backs in space and man-to-man coverage was a core part of his defensive responsibilities.

Sure, but that was in a two-gap 3-4. Isn't an edge defender less likely to have coverage responsibilities in the current defense?

Also, please give your AI the credit it deserves.

 

[Salsalife]

Vrabel and McGinest were awesome edge setters, but coverage was a glaring weakness. They really struggled badly against TE's or got caught in open space.

We struggled also big time...In Super Bowl LX, Seattle running back Kenneth Walker III made a big impact through the air, highlighted by a sharp catch-and-run of 20 yards from quarterback Sam Darnold against the New England Patriots defense. Walker totaled 161 yards on his way to winning the Super Bowl MVP award. Just saying....

 

[Salsalife]

Sure, but that was in a two-gap 3-4. Isn't an edge defender less likely to have coverage responsibilities in the current defense?

Also, please give your AI the credit it deserves.

The future is full of fun facts.

 

[Ring 6]

Who again picks up the back on passing plays, the linebacker right? Ok please read..
Yes, an outside linebacker (OLB) often picks up a running back on passing plays, but it depends entirely on the defensive scheme, the side of the field they play on, and where the back runs. [1]

Scheme and Alignment Rules

• • 4-3 Defense (Weak-side "Will" Backer): The Will linebacker is fast and frequently responsible for covering a running back who leaks out to their side of the field or goes out on a route. [1]
  • 4-3 Defense (Strong-side "Sam" Backer): The Sam linebacker usually matches up with a tight end, leaving the back-field coverage to middle or weak-side linebackers, though they may pick up a back if the tight end stays to block. [1, 2]
  • 3-4 Defense: Outside linebackers in a 3-4 scheme act primarily as edge pass rushers. They rarely cover running backs unless running a zone-blitz drop; coverage on backs usually falls to the inside linebackers.

Are you really answering with AI?

There is virtually no such thing as a 4-3 or 3-4 any more. Nickel is base.

It’s a 4-2 or a 3-3. 4 players rush, 2 off the ball LBs cover (or blitz) along with 5 dbs.

 

[Ring 6]

Well I'd shame for that weakness for sure when he's in the game. B.T.W, Vrabel covered backs also.
Yes, as a versatile linebacker during his playing days and a defensive-minded head coach, Mike Vrabel has frequently dealt with covering running backs out of the backfield. As a former Pro Bowl linebacker who played both inside and outside for the New England Patriots and other teams, matching up against and containing pass-catching running backs in space and man-to-man coverage was a core part of his defensive responsibilities.

This is incorrect. Vrabel almost always rushed for the OLB spot. On extremely rare case he would drop in to ZONE coverage.
At one point he played ILB for about a season and would have had more coverage responsibilities but as an OLB he was essentially a 43 DE

 

[borisman]

McGinnest didn’t have to cover backs. He just knocked them on their ass at the LOS. Just ask Marshall Faulk.