DRAFT Welcome to New England - Illinois Edge Gabe Jacas! (2nd round, #55)

[Thelonious]

His agent is a notorious douche.
There have been plenty of contractual disputes in the history of the NFL, including those with high character players.
Seems you’re putting Jacas in a bucket of athletes that he doesn’t belong in, because your general discord with modern athletes and your own ethics.
Pretty unfair, and unfounded.

He chose the agent; he can fire the agent. This habit of excusing players' behavior on the basis of their athletic prowess or potential is a societal disease, frankly. It is a disease of long standing, of course, but the moral blindness of fans is deepening in a manner one must regard as decadent. It is one of several aspects of he contemporary athletic scene which make of fandom an increasingly guilty pleasure for many, yours truly certainly included.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

He chose the agent; he can fire the agent. This habit of excusing players' behavior on the basis of their athletic prowess or potential is a societal disease, frankly. It is a disease of long standing, of course, but the moral blindness of fans is deepening in a manner one must regard as decadent. It is one of several aspects of he contemporary athletic scene which make of fandom an increasingly guilty pleasure for many, yours truly certainly included.

I understand conceptually what you are saying, however in this case you are bucketing his contractual uncertainty with "behaviour". I don't see it that way, to each their own,

 

[DaBruinz]

Not based on his behavior so far. On that basis; he'd be a UDFA at best. You are what you actually do: so far, not so good. Character matters: signs to this point are not great.

The ignorance you continue to lambaste this board with is astounding. You have no clue what CHARACTER IS.

 

[DaBruinz]

1) Could well be, but ethical standards for athletes are notoriously low. That old "sports builds character" thing is now a sick joke.
2) They can be, obviously.
3) No. Can't stand the guy, so why would I emulate him?

Despite your protestations, THAT is exactly who you act like.

 

[DaBruinz]

At least we know why he fell... Chances were pretty good then that he would've fallen to 63 also...

Fell? He was taken right about where he was slated to be taken.. This was shown by another poster already.

 

[mayoclinic]

 

[mayoclinic]

Patriots waive DT Travis Shaw

The Patriots made a roster move ahead of the start of training camp next week.

sports.yahoo.com

Could this possibly mean they are finally close to signing a certain someone?

 

[n1997y]

If his agent is indeed a "douche" at what point does Jacas have to make a decision regarding his representation?
He has already missed a lot of work and opportunities to become involved in the Patriot culture, which is a lot to catch up on.
Will he waste a whole year and be branded a "malcontent"?

Is his agent really a douche?

Or just good at representing his clients’ interests very adamantly?

 

[n1997y]

I understand conceptually what you are saying, however in this case you are bucketing his contractual uncertainty with "behaviour". I don't see it that way, to each their own,

That bucket is necessary to fuel the extraneous sanctimonious commentary.

 

[Gumby]

Is his agent really a douche?

Or just good at representing his clients’ interests very adamantly?

Why does it have to be Either -Or?

Douche: 100%
Good: 50-50 odds.

 

[n1997y]

Why does it have to be Either -Or?

Douche: 100%
Good: 50-50 odds.

I’m trying to figure out what makes him a douche.

I’m not personally acquainted with, nor do I believe anyone else commenting on here is, so I’d like to know what primary sources are the foundation os such characterization, and what they’re saying to merit it.

My default assumption is that those making such comments believe he’s hard to deal with, apparently viewed from the team perspective, but I’m open to hearing reasons more substantive than just boiling down to “I don’t like his results, or his style.”

 

[DarrylS]

Is his agent really a douche?

Or just good at representing his clients’ interests very adamantly?

That was the question I posed.
His recent history with the Pats is interesting:
- Ja'Lynn Polk, 2nd '24 - Signed June 12th. Last member of Patriots rookie class to sign.
- Christian Gonzalez and Keion White, 1st and 2nd '23 - Signed July 21st. Last Patriot picks to sign.

 

[Triumph]

Is his agent really a douche?

Or just good at representing his clients’ interests very adamantly?

I wonder if the Pats want a 5th year option and Jacas/Agent dont?

It could be something that simple.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

I’m trying to figure out what makes him a douche.

I’m not personally acquainted with, nor do I believe anyone else commenting on here is, so I’d like to know what primary sources are the foundation os such characterization, and what they’re saying to merit it.

My default assumption is that those making such comments believe he’s hard to deal with, apparently viewed from the team perspective, but I’m open to hearing reasons more substantive than just boiling down to “I don’t like his results, or his style.”

This is fair, and looking back I used the wrong term.
I don't know him, so that was unfair of me, he could be the greatest guy in the world.
He is hard too deal with from a team perspective, which probably makes him very good at his job from a client's perspective.
A pain in the ass from a team perspective and that's all we as fans care about.
I will take back my unfounded label.
Pain in the ass, yes.
Douche, I have no idea.
Still stand by that this dispute has nothing to do with Jacas' behaviour.

 

[Wozzy]

This is fair, and looking back I used the wrong term.
I don't know him, so that was unfair of me, he could be the greatest guy in the world.
He is hard too deal with from a team perspective, which probably makes him very good at his job from a client's perspective.
A pain in the ass from a team perspective and that's all we as fans care about.
I will take back my unfounded label.
Pain in the ass, yes.
Douche, I have no idea.
Still stand by that this dispute has nothing to do with Jacas' behaviour.

I think this is a grey area. Yes an agent should do everything in his power for his rookie client, conversely it should never reach a point where the kid is missing training camp.

This development time is too important to miss over a few dollars and these contracts have a standard set up years prior.

Some agents have reputations as being difficult to deal with, I don’t think in doing this they’re always doing what’s best for their client. Get the kid in camp on time.

Like I said earlier in this thread, Jacas hasn’t really missed time until he starts missing actual training camp practices. Let’s see where he is next week.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Patriots waive DT Travis Shaw

The Patriots made a roster move ahead of the start of training camp next week.

sports.yahoo.com

Could this possibly mean they are finally close to signing a certain someone?

I would think the overall depth at edge and ongoing Jacas issues, but wouldn't view waiving an undrafted rookie as anything more than knowing he's not going to make the roster and giving him a chance to latch on elsewhere when camp injuries start

 

[mgteich]

I wonder if the Pats want a 5th year option and Jacas/Agent dont?

It could be something that simple.

as simple as being the only player other than first rounders with a 5th year otpion?

that simple?

 

[mgteich]

That was the question I posed.
His recent history with the Pats is interesting:
- Ja'Lynn Polk, 2nd '24 - Signed June 12th. Last member of Patriots rookie class to sign.
- Christian Gonzalez and Keion White, 1st and 2nd '23 - Signed July 21st. Last Patriot picks to sign.

So, this is not unusual negotiating for this agent. OK, that's fine. July 23rd isn't unusual for him. So, we will wait and see. I suspect that we should be less concerned given the history of the agent with the patriots.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

My memory may not be perfect but back in 2002 Daniel Graham was drafted in the first round and after a long protracted negotiation, he fired his agent and with a new one finally signed a contract in late July right around the time training camp opened.
The issue then was a 5th year not injury related guarantee.

 

[captain stone]

I would think the overall depth at edge and ongoing Jacas issues, but wouldn't view waiving an undrafted rookie as anything more than knowing he's not going to make the roster and giving him a chance to latch on elsewhere when camp injuries start

I hope it's a sign the the FO finally realizes that it still needs to sign quality vets at 0/1-Tech, Edge & TE, among others...