DRAFT Welcome to New England - Illinois Edge Gabe Jacas! (2nd round, #55)

[PatsFan2]

Are you going to post about BB's WR drafting for 2 more years? 5 more years? 10 more years? Just wondering.

We are onto Cincinnati.

Unforgettable in many ways.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Unforgettable in many ways.

Enjoy the memories but don't live in the past. Look forward with a smile on your face. We have 6 SB trophies and we have Drake Maye and AJ Brown. Life is good. Have a ****tail - Cheers.

 

[State]

Did the team not do due diligence on this player? How'd they not know he had an injury that he apparently failed to disclose?

Ever hear of calling the trainer for the Fighting Illini, Chester Wolf?

 

[mgteich]

Did the team not do due diligence on this player? How'd they not know he had an injury that he apparently failed to disclose?

Ever hear of calling the trainer for the Fighting Illini, Chester Wolf?

How do you know what the team knew about his injuries?

 

[captain stone]

Rivers was a Reach just like Mapu: BB record in the Third Round overall is as abysmal as his WR Drafting.

That entire 2017 draft was Awful, both for who were taken and who wasn't...

 

[captain stone]

Did the team not do due diligence on this player? How'd they not know he had an injury that he apparently failed to disclose?

Ever hear of calling the trainer for the Fighting Illini, Chester Wolf?

Is he related to Eliot...?

 

[SlowGettingUp]

Easily squatting what seems to be 595 lb [Edit: was 500lb] for multiple reps. (Assume red is 55lb). Good sign.

 

[n1997y]

Easily squatting what seems to be 500 lb for multiple reps. Good sign.

That’ll work his knees a bit…

 

[OldEngland]

Rivers was a Reach just like Mapu: BB record in the Third Round overall is as abysmal as his WR Drafting.

It's not on topic of this thread, but hit rate per round is something that interests me, and wanted to add some objective analysis.

It depends who you read to what constitutes a successful pick. I've seen stats suggesting in the 3rd round 18% of drafted players become starters. There was also an article which suggested an average of 28% of players drafted 2000 to 2019 in the 3rd round are 4 year starters across their career. This article also stated drafting an x2 All-pro in the 3rd is less than 0.5%.

To my knowledge BB drafted 29 players in the 3rd round from 2000 to 2023. An average hit rate for the amount of picks BB had would be 6-10 multiple year 'starters' and zero all pros. What constitutes a starters wasn't included in the parameters of the article, so I've defined starter as at least 8 games in a season according to profootball reference.

X2 All Pros (2). Joe Thuney, Marcus Jones (as punt returner).
Players who had 4 years of at least 8 starts (6) Logan Ryan. Ellis Hobbs. Nick Kaczur. Duron Harmon. Jacoby Brissett. David Thomas.
Anfernee Jennings has starts in all 5 years, but only 2 years full time, and is still in the league. Projecting but I think he should count (1).
Two that miss the criteria but are worthy are Damian Harris who had 3 years of starts before injuries, and Stevon Ridley who had 3000y rushing over 8 years.
I don't think Mapu can be included yet being drafted in 2023 with one season of starts, but likely won't make the criteria

Perkins, Asiasi, Keene, Winovich, Cajuste, Rivers, Garcia, Grissom, Bequette, Valentine, Price, MacKenzie, Crable, O'Connell, Scott, Williams; all never really made it in the league, and the majority not more than a year or three. Ryan Mallet. Brandon Tate and Redmond did start multiple games and last in the league for several years. This list looks pretty big, failure rate is high, about half never really contribute or last more than three years in the league. I imagine this is why the 3rd round drafting looked so bad, but I don't know how it compares to the rest of the league.

So BB was about average in the 3rd round in terms of drafting 4 year starters. And way above average drafting All-pros in the 3rd.

 

[Uptown]

Ideally, of course we want Jacas in the building/ on the field, but at least his position isn’t WR, TE, QB, LB etc or a position that absolutely demands a superior level of mental playbook aptitude. Yes, it’s still required as an edge rusher, but not necessarily to the degree of other positions. He’ll be rushing, setting the edge, some stunts & the occasional drop into coverage. Even though he’s a bit behind, it hopefully shouldn’t be too overwhelming..His health & strength are a more pressing concern at the moment..

 

[Real fan 02]

If this keeps up during training camp, he's going to fall too far behind - even with the JAG's.

I don't want this turning into a Shawn Crable situation.

@captain stone remember Derek Rivers? That was another guy who was hyped up, but couldn't leave the ice tub. Not an Edge guy, but Tyrone McKenzie was another player who barely played. Cameron McGrone was a big whiff this board was hyping up recently.

Throw Jermaine Cunningham in thet mix of bust as well. Another guy that could never stay out the training room. From the information I've followed on Jacas it's mainly contract related the team found out he later he needs a procedure done and they wanted more information before they committed to his contract. Likely Vrabel's going to sign him. He's talented and has the mentality coming in as a pro you'd want. Availability however is any players best ability.

 

[Real fan 02]

Ideally, of course we want Jacas in the building/ on the field, but at least his position isn’t WR, TE, QB, LB etc or a position that absolutely demands a superior level of mental playbook aptitude. Yes, it’s still required as an edge rusher, but not necessarily to the degree of other positions. He’ll be rushing, setting the edge, some stunts & the occasional drop into coverage. Even though he’s a bit behind, it hopefully shouldn’t be too overwhelming..His health & strength are a more pressing concern at the moment..

Agreed and sensible. He & Landry's Unavailable status right now allow guys like Ponder, Swinson, Hutchinson as young guys a chance to get snaps playing across from Dre Jones. Jacas will be factor this season and it's only a great benefit for the team to have guys like Ponder who I'm really high on more opportunities along with bringing Jacas up to speed.

 

[PatsFan2]

Three weeks and counting to TC Jacas.

 

[mgteich]

Agreed and sensible. He & Landry's Unavailable status right now allow guys like Ponder, Swinson, Hutchinson as young guys a chance to get snaps playing across from Dre Jones. Jacas will be factor this season and it's only a great benefit for the team to have guys like Ponder who I'm really high on more opportunities along with bringing Jacas up to speed.

These reps are very important in determining the 5th OLB. Swinson seems to be the favorite at this point. He could almost nail down the position with a good week or two in camp.

 

[mayoclinic]

Unsigned Gabe Jacas sends loud message to the Patriots without saying a word

The Patriots' only unsigned rookie just sent a clear message to the team and their fans about his immediate future.

musketfire.com

 

[Real fan 02]

Three weeks and counting to TC Jacas.

 

[neuronet]

Someday we will look back on this thread and laugh. Or cry. Or be angry.

Hopefully laugh.

 

[Real fan 02]

These reps are very important in determining the 5th OLB. Swinson seems to be the favorite at this point. He could almost nail down the position with a good week or two in camp.

Agreed there's positives that come out of this. We drafted swinson and Signed Ponder as a UDFA.. Both project to be afforded plenty of opportunities this camp and pre-season. Jacas will be there of course but likely playing catch up. I'm high on Ponder.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

These reps are very important in determining the 5th OLB.

Why would anyone care about the 5th OLB?

 

[mgteich]

Why would anyone care about the 5th OLB?

I agree that we can safely ignore players like Ponder and Swinson who struggle to make the 53-man roster. However, for some, the bottom of the roster has interest for the future. Some care whether we keep Swinson or Holmes or Hutchins. I am happy that the team kept Ponder on the roster and developed him last year.